The video game industry has no shortage of brilliant, outspoken thinkers and Epic CEO (and Unreal Engine guru) Tim Sweeney is no exception. In a previous installment of his interview with TG Daily, Sweeney said the PC wasn't a good platform for gaming and in this final installment he reveals that Unreal Engine 4 "will exclusively target the next console generation, Microsoft's successor for the Xbox 360, Sony's successor for the PlayStation 3 – and if Nintendo ships a machine with similar hardware specs, then that also." Where does that leave the poor, struggling PC gaming platform? Sweeney says, "PCs will follow after that." Ooh, dissed.
While he's not exactly dishing out granular details on the next major iteration of their ubiquitous engine – after all, he did just show us the latest upgrades for Unreal Engine 3 at GDC – Sweeney did share a big picture outlook on the direction of the engine: "scaling to lots and lots of cores." Using the number of cores in the Xbox 360 as a starting point, Sweeney busts out Moore's Law to determine "that around 2010 ... you can put tens of CPU cores on one processor chip and you will have a perfectly usable uniform computing environment." What if he used the PlayStation 3's seven synergistic processing elements as a starting point? The mind staggers ...
Reader Comments (66)
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 3:09PM Dolar said
"16 bit graphics, the PC is bead as a gaming platform" - 1992
"Wow, the graphics on the PlayStation are great, PC gaming is dead!" - 1995
"Wow the PS2 and Xbox are great, PC gaming is dead soon" - 2000
"The 360 and PS3 are where its at, PC games will be dead soon!" - 2007
So for 20 years better people then the both of you have been saying PC gaming is dead. It has not died yet. Please stop talking out of your ass.
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"Wow, the graphics on the PlayStation are great, PC gaming is dead!" - 1995
"Wow the PS2 and Xbox are great, PC gaming is dead soon" - 2000
"The 360 and PS3 are where its at, PC games will be dead soon!" - 2007
So for 20 years better people then the both of you have been saying PC gaming is dead. It has not died yet. Please stop talking out of your ass.
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 4:33PM Crono141 said
Its been dying ever since the 80's when the NES first hit. Ever since, consoles have been giving PC gaming the slow death.
If you can't see the trend over the last 20 years other than people predicting the inevitable, then you need to take the PC gamer blinders off.
As soon as the mouse is duplicated in an ergonomical and aesthetically pleasing way, the last advantage PC gaming had will be gone.
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If you can't see the trend over the last 20 years other than people predicting the inevitable, then you need to take the PC gamer blinders off.
As soon as the mouse is duplicated in an ergonomical and aesthetically pleasing way, the last advantage PC gaming had will be gone.
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 6:41PM (Unverified) said
PC gaming is dieing a slow death like the republic did as Darth Traia said it would at the end of KOTOR II. Face it people if you want to sit down and have fun with gaming a console is the way to go, PCs make much better work tools and even then they crash too much. A system dedicated to gaming does the job so much better then a multi-purpose tool.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2008 7:13PM (Unverified) said
LOL, right. PC gaming is going? No wonder, what with the much more effecient processors and more powerful graphics cards. Theres a big market for them. And AFAIK a big market usually indicates that it isn't on the decline...
Plenty of advantages of PC gaming over console. I'm sat at my computer now doing a bit of work. After I've finished writing this I'll press 3 mouse buttons and be in a game of TF2 within the minute.
It's all about convenience. Oh and cheaper games, faster loading, good & free online play (not one or the other like consoles), mod-ability, better looking games.
Consoles just cost less. Thats their only benefit, and that their independent to your PC.
LOL "on the decline". If anything the PS3/360 are since they're performing worse than last gen. Each gaming gen seems to not do as well as the last one (going back to the SNES), barring the Wii.
PC gaming will be a staple and constant, casual console gaming is just taking off too. That is the market.
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Plenty of advantages of PC gaming over console. I'm sat at my computer now doing a bit of work. After I've finished writing this I'll press 3 mouse buttons and be in a game of TF2 within the minute.
It's all about convenience. Oh and cheaper games, faster loading, good & free online play (not one or the other like consoles), mod-ability, better looking games.
Consoles just cost less. Thats their only benefit, and that their independent to your PC.
LOL "on the decline". If anything the PS3/360 are since they're performing worse than last gen. Each gaming gen seems to not do as well as the last one (going back to the SNES), barring the Wii.
PC gaming will be a staple and constant, casual console gaming is just taking off too. That is the market.
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 7:24PM (Unverified) said
Mills and Boom your parents never let you have a Nintendo as a kid did they? Every PC gamer I've met in person never had a console as a kid, and many of them switched when they could buy one themselves. BTW Devs love consoles compared to PC for 2 major reasons: piracy is virtually a non issue, way easier to design for one set of specs rather then 50,000. The only good thing about PC gaming is if I'm a little short of cash I can pirate a game off line and save my money for games worth paying for.
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Posted: Mar 13th 2008 11:03PM Dolar said
Hmm let me just shoot down your little theory there. I have owned ever major console since the NES(Well I didn't own a neo-geo) including all of the current gen consoles. It's nice, I am an adult I can buy what I want with my disposable income.
Yet I spend about 90% of my gaming time on the PC, and I know many of my friends online and off do the same. So there goes your idea that mommy and daddy didn't let me play Mario, cause hell they did and they played it with me.
Yes consoles are idiot proof, yep they are cheaper. But that is about the only thing they have going for them. There are still a lot of PC gamers, no matter what 2 dev studios pissed there shit isn't being sold because it is little more then shovel-ware.
I don't care what you play on, or what you prefer. All I want is this kiddy bullshit bashing to stop. PC gaming isn't going anywhere because CliffyB is pissed, ok?
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Yet I spend about 90% of my gaming time on the PC, and I know many of my friends online and off do the same. So there goes your idea that mommy and daddy didn't let me play Mario, cause hell they did and they played it with me.
Yes consoles are idiot proof, yep they are cheaper. But that is about the only thing they have going for them. There are still a lot of PC gamers, no matter what 2 dev studios pissed there shit isn't being sold because it is little more then shovel-ware.
I don't care what you play on, or what you prefer. All I want is this kiddy bullshit bashing to stop. PC gaming isn't going anywhere because CliffyB is pissed, ok?
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 3:13PM (Unverified) said
If PC developers are able to properly scale their games downward, the PC market is extremely large, and extremely profitable. Particularly if they're only going to give us ports, anyway. How much fucking money does a port cost?
Epic just feels burned because they put a lot of effort into Gears of War PC-- all that extra content, etc, only to have it sell like shit. Guess what? Third-person shooters suck with keyboard and mouse. Guess what? It runs (and looks) like shit on anything but the highest end PC. Gears of War is as bad of a PC game as it is great a console game. Despite all their effort, they pawned the game off to newbie developers who left it with plenty of simple game-breaking bugs upon release.
And a week after being burned by a buggy, unplayable Gears of War, Unreal 3 comes out. I think many people decided against getting it because of their bad experience with Gears.
Whatever. I won't be upset if I have to become a console gamer as long as consoles become as good as PCs. This generation, that's not the case. PCs still vastly surpass consoles in terms of graphics (Sorry, but 720p looks like shit to me on a big screen when I'm used to 1080p on a 24"), online play (we need the option to use PC-dedicated servers for console games), and they need to offer keyboard and mouse support.
Epic just feels burned because they put a lot of effort into Gears of War PC-- all that extra content, etc, only to have it sell like shit. Guess what? Third-person shooters suck with keyboard and mouse. Guess what? It runs (and looks) like shit on anything but the highest end PC. Gears of War is as bad of a PC game as it is great a console game. Despite all their effort, they pawned the game off to newbie developers who left it with plenty of simple game-breaking bugs upon release.
And a week after being burned by a buggy, unplayable Gears of War, Unreal 3 comes out. I think many people decided against getting it because of their bad experience with Gears.
Whatever. I won't be upset if I have to become a console gamer as long as consoles become as good as PCs. This generation, that's not the case. PCs still vastly surpass consoles in terms of graphics (Sorry, but 720p looks like shit to me on a big screen when I'm used to 1080p on a 24"), online play (we need the option to use PC-dedicated servers for console games), and they need to offer keyboard and mouse support.
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 4:40PM jynxycat said
Gears runs very well on many different configurations. The UE3 does in general. But there's no room to grow, the UE3 engine looked as good as it did from the start, and it hit a ceiling. It's a smoke & mirrors engine with no real technology behind it.
Plus it's apparently hard to work with, as all the major titles that signed on to use it, got their projects moved back.
Licensing their engine is where most of Epic's money comes from, but look at the games made with UE/UE2, none of them were exactly known for their graphical prowess.
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Plus it's apparently hard to work with, as all the major titles that signed on to use it, got their projects moved back.
Licensing their engine is where most of Epic's money comes from, but look at the games made with UE/UE2, none of them were exactly known for their graphical prowess.
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 4:39PM (Unverified) said
I think that sux that they are venturing further and further away from their PC roots, but I guess if that's where the money is . . . But what about that PC gaming alliance? I'm hoping that Unreal 3 isn't gonna be a 360 exclusive. =/
Posted: Mar 13th 2008 4:53PM jynxycat said
LOL@ "10's of cores" by the next time a new system is released.
AMD is planning to release a server based CPU with 8 cores maybe in 2009. Intel has an *80* core CPU in the pipeline, but it's not going to be compatible with anything Epic makes, as well as it's 5 years away.
Unless you want to have fun coding your UE3 engine on a non x86 cpu, then recode it for the other systems, I wouldn't count on a 12+ core cpu anytime soon.
Honestly, I used to think of Epic as a classy developer, but this last generation, they let their "fame" from Gears go to their head.
Who cares if UE4 is exclusive to 360, that means what, 2-3 good games max, then a dozen or more crappy ones ?
AMD is planning to release a server based CPU with 8 cores maybe in 2009. Intel has an *80* core CPU in the pipeline, but it's not going to be compatible with anything Epic makes, as well as it's 5 years away.
Unless you want to have fun coding your UE3 engine on a non x86 cpu, then recode it for the other systems, I wouldn't count on a 12+ core cpu anytime soon.
Honestly, I used to think of Epic as a classy developer, but this last generation, they let their "fame" from Gears go to their head.
Who cares if UE4 is exclusive to 360, that means what, 2-3 good games max, then a dozen or more crappy ones ?
Posted: Mar 14th 2008 2:48AM (Unverified) said
@ Chrono
your supposed rock-hard "facts" are nothing more than your opinion. It sounds to me like you need to take a course in basic Critical Thinking and some Psychology.
Now, let's do a little analysis for 2007 of that "low" 14% for PC games, oh noes! it's only 14%!
well, look beyond the surface...
PC
PS2 (Huge)
PS3
PSP
Wii (Huge)
DS (Massively Huge)
Xbox 360
if each one is equal and has an equal share of sales, then each has 14% Also, that still doesn't count things like steam, which all you have to do it look at their readily available sales info to see it's well in the millions. While thats not great, it's still very far from that doom bs everyone is shouting.
"The PC games sales landscape is changing to one that is increasingly reliant on digital sources of revenue," NPD analyst Anita Frazier told GameSpot. "Our sales reflect the retail climate but there is a lot of gaming sales activity that is generated from digital downloads and subscriptions. I think the PC market continues to be quite healthy and we're continuing to work on how to get our arms around the spending that occurs outside of retail. A number of our [surveys] ask respondents to indicate which platforms they game on, and the results of those questions make it very clear that the PC remains very prevalent, if not dominant, in the total gaming picture."
I'm just saying... try thinking a little. There is more to meets the eye! Try it!
your supposed rock-hard "facts" are nothing more than your opinion. It sounds to me like you need to take a course in basic Critical Thinking and some Psychology.
Now, let's do a little analysis for 2007 of that "low" 14% for PC games, oh noes! it's only 14%!
well, look beyond the surface...
PC
PS2 (Huge)
PS3
PSP
Wii (Huge)
DS (Massively Huge)
Xbox 360
if each one is equal and has an equal share of sales, then each has 14% Also, that still doesn't count things like steam, which all you have to do it look at their readily available sales info to see it's well in the millions. While thats not great, it's still very far from that doom bs everyone is shouting.
"The PC games sales landscape is changing to one that is increasingly reliant on digital sources of revenue," NPD analyst Anita Frazier told GameSpot. "Our sales reflect the retail climate but there is a lot of gaming sales activity that is generated from digital downloads and subscriptions. I think the PC market continues to be quite healthy and we're continuing to work on how to get our arms around the spending that occurs outside of retail. A number of our [surveys] ask respondents to indicate which platforms they game on, and the results of those questions make it very clear that the PC remains very prevalent, if not dominant, in the total gaming picture."
I'm just saying... try thinking a little. There is more to meets the eye! Try it!
Posted: Mar 14th 2008 3:09AM (Unverified) said
This is why I hate reading stories like this on joystiq, not really this but the whole 14% sales figure.
When on more tech-related sites (bit-tech) seem to dissect this rubbish quite quickly. Coincidence? I think not. It's actually embarrassing to see something like that on a tech site.
When on more tech-related sites (bit-tech) seem to dissect this rubbish quite quickly. Coincidence? I think not. It's actually embarrassing to see something like that on a tech site.
Posted: Apr 2nd 2008 10:34PM (Unverified) said
Listen guys all this bull about people who like pc gaming better than console not playing on a console in their life is stupid. Im stuying game development at the moment and I have just bought myslf a PC (first 1 ever) and its great, ive only ever played consoles, from the sega mega drive to the xbox 360 and all the time the pc sooner or later tops the graphical capacity of consoles. So this shit that epic are saying doesnt mean a thing because apart from Mass Effect all the UE3 games have looked the same graphically and you can say 'yep thats running on UE3' just by looking at them therefor you begin to think oh they look the same.
Now Crysis on the other hand WOW how amazing does that look? and yeh ur pc may not be able to play it but would you rather go out and pay cheaper for a new graphics card instead of a whole new console?
By the way everyone in the same industry as me have said they prefer to play games on pc rather than console, I think its because you have more freedom rather than haveing to have a specific console, you can have a machine taylored to your needs.
Now Crysis on the other hand WOW how amazing does that look? and yeh ur pc may not be able to play it but would you rather go out and pay cheaper for a new graphics card instead of a whole new console?
By the way everyone in the same industry as me have said they prefer to play games on pc rather than console, I think its because you have more freedom rather than haveing to have a specific console, you can have a machine taylored to your needs.
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