Capcom explains lack of SF2HD beta on PSN
by Ross Miller 
{ Mar 17th 2008 at 2:45PM }
Svensson concluded with a challenge, of sorts. "When you show me someone running a cross platform beta... I'll be impressed, because that's a hell of an investment," he said. "Lastly, keep it civil. If this thread turns to threats or hyperbole, I'm closing it." As it turns out, he did end up closing the thread. So it goes.
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
xFenixKnightx @ Mar 17th 2008 2:49PM
Uh, we all know why there is no Beta on PSN. Lets just be honest, who cares if peoples "feelings" get hurt. =P
Phranctoast @ Mar 17th 2008 3:15PM
I do recall being part of the warhawk beta. Not exactly sure what Capcom is getting at. Home also has a beta. I guess its just impossible to do when you are Capcom.
Sounds to me like another MS purchased beta.
Tiptup300 @ Mar 17th 2008 3:29PM
Doing a beta is a very complicated thing, well doing a beta that sends back meaningful information. It would be like trying to make a whole new cross-platform game. Except it makes ZERO money. It would be stupid to do it on both when you get the same result if you do it on one console.
This isn't the final game people, relax.
deaftly (Brawl - 1075-0467-4222) @ Mar 17th 2008 2:54PM
Surprised the Sony fanboys didn't start a petition...... again....
DarkTetsuya @ Mar 17th 2008 3:34PM
Cause the last one (Keep DMC4 off the 360?) worked *so* well, didn't it?
And they expected to not have a system fanboy fight-fest over this on their forums? Mr. Svenson must be new to the internet.
samfish @ Mar 17th 2008 4:32PM
360 FANBOYS DON'T *DESERVE* THE SFIIHD BETA, CRAPCOM!!!
finnith @ Mar 17th 2008 5:40PM
I'm still confused as to why he didn't close the thread right after making it. Who in the right mind wouldn't know that the thread would become a flame war.
horngreen @ Mar 17th 2008 2:58PM
Am I mistaken or is it now to the point that the PS3 can't even handle an early 90s arcade remix and do it online? Oh I forgot BUT IT'S FREE ONLINE AT LEAST! LOL
Vidikron (FU) @ Mar 17th 2008 3:04PM
Ummm... or it's exactly like they said and they only felt like they needed one platform for the beta?
Vidikron (FU) @ Mar 17th 2008 3:04PM
Ummm... or it's exactly like they said and they only felt like they needed one platform for the beta?
Arturis @ Mar 17th 2008 3:15PM
This has nothing to do with what the PS3 can or can't handle - Capcom has simply decided to hold their Beta test on the 360, tweak gameplay balance from the Beta results, and then release the game on both 360 and PS3.
Arturis @ Mar 17th 2008 3:17PM
Same here, Vid - seems the Commenting system is being cranky today
KingOfGods @ Mar 17th 2008 3:22PM
I hate fanboys...why don't you try being a fan of games instead of the systems...It's not that it can't handle, I'll just copy and paste what I wrote on PS3 fanboy
Capcom is a business and they will run the beta as cheaply as possible and get maximum return.
Lets say the ps3 had 100 potential users and the 360 has 300. If capcom is anticipating 50% of the users are going to purchase commando to get the beta, that would be 50 on ps3 and 150 on xbox...who do you think they will choose? It just makes perfect sense to release a stress test beta to the console that has the largest user base for maximum return.
ViagraFiend @ Mar 17th 2008 2:58PM
I'll definitely be playing the beta on 360 but will probably end up buying it for PS3. The controller just seems better with the d-pad at the top and all.
*ducks*
Vidikron (FU) @ Mar 17th 2008 3:06PM
WTF? I clicked on horngreen's post TWICE and it said "replying to horngreen" both times... yet both times it put my reply under your post. Sorry.
Vidikron (FU) @ Mar 17th 2008 3:21PM
@Arturis
LOL... I see your posts above my previous reply. Do you see the same thing? I wonder where this one will wind up.
Fernando Rocker @ Mar 17th 2008 2:58PM
If you have both systems, PS3 and 360, now there's no single reason to chose the PS3 version over 360 version.
Maybe before, when the 360 was going to be compressed...
But now that the graphics quality is going to be the same, the 360 will offer more value for the same price.
Achievements and a better online integration, and rumble without buying another controller.
Only problem in both consoles is the D-Pad... the 360 D-Pad is not very good, and the PS3 D-Pad is segmented...
Mr Khan @ Mar 17th 2008 3:04PM
Before the Classic Controller, PS3 D-pad was win for the generation, Wiimote's is a bit too small for precision
Segmentation makes it harder to press one direction, but accidentally brush up against an adjacent direction and wind up sending the wrong command, something that's been happening to me a lot with the regular Wiimote's d-pad
Fernando Rocker @ Mar 17th 2008 3:07PM
Question Off-Topic?
Why other companies don't use a cross D-Pad, like the best D-Pad ever (Snes)?
It's a patent or something?
Supino @ Mar 17th 2008 3:09PM
the d-pad on the 360 is unreliable. When I want it to go right, I press down-right... and so on. This is fatal in fighting games.
Sony and Nintendo both have good d-pads, though if I could get my hands on some good arcade sticks for the 360, all would be well.
Vidikron (FU) @ Mar 17th 2008 3:09PM
I prefer the PS3 d-pad to the 360 d-pad. The main problem with the PS3 d-pad is that the segmented design can be hard on the thumbs during extended play in a game like SFII.
I'm still undecided on which system to get it for, but I'm leaning toward the PS3 based on the d-pad issue alone.
Fernando Rocker @ Mar 17th 2008 3:11PM
I really find it playing Street Fighter with the analog stick very confortable.
I even find it easier to make hadokens and other moves.
Nigeria: Cody ChesnuTT Defense Force @ Mar 17th 2008 3:12PM
I could never get used to the Playstation D-Pad. Seriously, the last generation was terrible for D-pads. It was as if the big three conspired to shove the D-pad in the retirement home. Khan's right about the classic controller, though. It's so big and comfy. Almost as good as the Saturn pad.
If Sega came back to the hardware business then maybe they'd bring back an equivalent to the Saturn pad.
FrankTheCrank @ Mar 17th 2008 3:14PM
Sorry man...the Sega Saturn 6-Button Controller, version 2.0 not the original one that shipped with the US console, rules them all. With it's 6-button layout it was absolutely perfect for Street Fighter.
And yes, Nintendo's D pad is patented. Only on Nintendo products.
jcd @ Mar 17th 2008 3:14PM
Indeed the cross pad is patented. Nobody else can use it. Thanks nintendo!
aMac @ Mar 17th 2008 3:19PM
RE: only Nintendo having a cross d-pad. Yes, it's a patent thing. You'll never (or SHOULD never) see a d-pad on anything non-nintendo that isn't either a full circle (ala xbox) or separate buttons (ala playstation).
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4687200.PN.&OS=PN/4687200&RS=PN/4687200
xFenixKnightx @ Mar 17th 2008 3:23PM
I prefer the DS's d-pad but hey who am I kidding. None of my close buddies have a PS3 so of course Im getting this for 360. The 360 d-pad is not all that bad its more of a learning curve. You have to get used to it. Its nothing major that will make you throw the controller out the window or anything.
Mr Khan @ Mar 17th 2008 3:23PM
In the past, i really liked the N64 D-pad, for the few games it was used for (like Kirby 64)
FrankTheCrank @ Mar 17th 2008 3:28PM
slightly off topic, but the new Dualshock3 seems to have more tactile feedback with respect to it's D-pad. It's also allot heavier than the 6axis. Feels good.
The rumble is well, so "last-gen"...hahaha...but seriously, feels right at home. It's rumblelicious.
Vcize @ Mar 17th 2008 3:39PM
Woah, while the "there's no reason to buy the PS3 version over the 360 version" argument works in many instances, I don't think this is one of them.
The 360 has an awesome controller, but the ps3 controller is farrrrr superior for fighting games. We're talking the best dpad ever here on the PS3 controller vs. the worse ever on the 360 controller. Fighting games are the only multi-plat games I get on the PS3, and that's the route I'll likely be going here as well unless MS miraculously decides to spend the extra nickel on each controller to give it a functional d-pad.
Vcize @ Mar 17th 2008 3:42PM
That should saw "worst ever", not "worse ever". I swear I'm not retarded.
Chase @ Mar 17th 2008 4:07PM
Oh my god, I agree with Fernando.
God help us all.
why not the LS2/LS7? @ Mar 17th 2008 5:22PM
What if I want to play it without my room sounding like a helicopter is taking off?
I find it hilarious when people say "now there's absolutely no advantage to the PS3..."
There's a lot of reasons some people prefer the PS3. If you are so blind to them as to think they don't even exist, you're deep in the fanhood.
Envoy @ Mar 17th 2008 3:05PM
Doesn't matter to me. I am going to buy it for PSN. 360's D-pad is just that bad.
FrankTheCrank @ Mar 17th 2008 3:04PM
Who cares? Bring it on.
I've been waiting so badly for some SF HD action. I wish they would just release the entire Alpha series and Marvel series in HD.
If any games deserved the HD over do, it's these masterpieces.
Thr3e2wenty8 @ Mar 17th 2008 3:04PM
BETA=buggy.
Who cares? Its Street Fighter 2 - a game that has been milked to death for the last DECADE with EX, EX+Alpha..the slightest ajustments to them mean ALL NEW!
and to be honest it's smarter that its on the 360 because there are more users available to test on.
BIG FREAKING WHOOP!
Aaron @ Mar 17th 2008 3:08PM
Your loss capcom your loss.
Crono (NDF - Knight of the Old School) @ Mar 17th 2008 4:02PM
Um, not really...
DangerMouse @ Mar 17th 2008 4:29PM
Why? it's a beta, right? Technically, they're not making any money off of it yet other than what ever they're bundling it with and those who purchase it for this reason alone.
Anticrawl @ Mar 17th 2008 3:14PM
I can't believe people are bickering over which console has the better d-pad. I'm getting it for the 360 because of the better online and am making an arcade stick to play the game. Who in their right mind would play the game with either the ps3 controller or the 360 controller?
Phranctoast @ Mar 17th 2008 3:19PM
"Who in their right mind would play the game with either the ps3 controller or the 360 controller?"
ummm. most people.
FrankTheCrank @ Mar 17th 2008 3:30PM
yeah, hahaha...like 99.8% of the public.
Anticrawl @ Mar 17th 2008 3:18PM
Actually I already have all the grounds and signals soldered to the wired 360 pad and my joystick case build. Just waiting on the new 8-way sanswa joystick and buttons to arrive in the mail.
why not the LS2/LS7? @ Mar 17th 2008 5:25PM
Of course, on the PS3, you could just use USB controllers you already have. Or just use a PS2 stick with a USB adapter.
Jody Anthony (Good Eats Fanboy) @ Mar 17th 2008 3:18PM
tinfoil hats are out in full swing i see.
why would they run a beta on both at the same time? psn and xbl are not intecompatible, so they would have to run two seperate betas. why would they do that when they can get all the info they need from just running one or the other?
xbox live being the more popular of the two systems, why wouldn't they use xbl over psn? they want the most people running the beta they can get.
Andy @ Mar 17th 2008 3:21PM
Microsoft needed some good news for once. Nice of them to take advantage of it, beta would've been nice but it doesn't really matter to me.
Tremada @ Mar 17th 2008 3:42PM
Who even cares about this beta. Sony has the Home beta right now, and Killzone, Metal Gear Online, and LittleBigPlanet betas coming soon. Warhawk beta was awesome by the way too. MS has had few betas so far, let them have one.
Vcize @ Mar 17th 2008 3:42PM
Wow, and that should say "that should say", not "that should saw".
So maybe I'm a little bit retarded...
Kodros @ Mar 17th 2008 4:06PM
Whoa, wait...timeout...They don't want to test a product because it would delay that product. When is that ever a good fucking excuse to not test a product?
"When you show me someone running a cross platform beta... I'll be impressed, because that's a hell of an investment," I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that testing is a good investment.
Kodros @ Mar 17th 2008 4:18PM
Meh, so after digging through the forum posts (instead of the nice little snippet that Joystiq decided to use), Sony may be to blame here. He hints that Sony is not ready to handle Betas...which is odd since a few games had betas.
Good Job Sony!