N+ developers rail against glut of bad XBLA games

Kia is a division (subsidiary) of Hyundai.

The irony, of course, being that Hyundai now owns Kia and many of their vehicles now share components.

good point, i'll now walk away ashamed :(

While they're at it, they should also implement some sort of "Recently Played" tab for DLC so that I don't need to scroll through 10 million pieces of content to, say, find older Rock Band songs I may have missed (I know the new Rock Band store will take care of that particluar issue, but you get the point.)

"Also means certain titles that are on both PSN and XBLA arent neutured (bionic) for textures and audio because of the 150 cap of XBLA."


No matter how many times this is debunked, you tards keep bringing it up.

I can understand paying for things like games and dlc add-ons, but paying for themes? Gamerpics? WTF? Please tell me this is just for the silver level, where the service is free. I mean what's with the nickel and dime routine?

@kizzle

"No matter how many times this is debunked, you tards keep bringing it up."

Except its not completely debunked. MS has mad a couple of high profile exceptions, but the majority of the games are indeed forced to fit within that specification.

Demos don't have to respect the limit, but the arcade games do.

@Kizzle, actually this hasnt been debunked, only 2 exceptions to the 150mb rule have ever been made and a number of developers have complained about the restrictions and spoken about how it had compromised development. This is all due to Microsofts short sightedness when it came to creating a HDDless sku. Sorry if it bothers you. It was a mistake, anyone can see that. It means that HDD streaming cannot be used in game development and they have to put crappy 150mb restrictions on XBLA games. kindof rediculous dude. Your the fucking "Tard"

I don't get the complaining about the limit. If you can't make a decent game with 150MB, you suck as a developer.

I remember playing some damn good games on 880K floppy discs, many of which would make damner gooder remakes on XBLA.

It is alot better then you think. Its hands down the best XBLA game released to date. The replay value on it is through the roof with the level editor.

Metanet is just trashing MS because of everything they are doing, these include, forcing them to charge 800 ms points when they wanted to make it 400, forcing them to charge for gamerpics and themes when they wanted them to be free, forcing them to remove public level sharing, Not giving them enough in game leaderboards for every single level, so having to put only LB for episodes instead.

N+ (acorrding to metanet anyway) is selling rather well. They are also upset because the fact that there are so many casual gamers who wont even try N+, thinking nothing of it because there are so many bad games on XBLA. How many of you hear are waiting for castle crashers? I bet alot. Yet theres probably some unheard of game that will come out that just blows castle crashers away, and people will skim by it as it gets lost in a sea of boogie bunnies and bliss islands.

N+ is the best XBLA game to date? You're joking right?

That's my beef. I don't want to pay for dressed-up flash games. The music is the best part of the game, IMO. The game itself is OK, but not really worth $10.

Geometry Wars is a game that is worth $10 given the time I have spent playing it, and it only cost me $5! It looks a f**kton better than N+, too.

That's a problem with all "disposable" communities. The PC has the best development tools hands down, and now look -- we want user-created content on consoles because there's such a sea of crap on the PC that you can't find anything unless someone sends a link to it through your e-mail, and most of the time you'll delete that mail with the 500 spams you get every day.

Online distribution is just like retail -- a whole wall of games and only so much time to sort through them all. A community-based "best picks" system would be a real help.

Is it really that hard to "wade through" XBLA titles though? every game gives you an easy to select demo for free, and if you don't like it it's a 2 selection process to delete it...

it's not exactly time consuming to try the demo for every game out there and buy the ones you like and skip the ones you don't. Usually I can tell if I'll enjoy a game or not well before the demo ends.

Yeah, I don't buy it either. They don't face any more competition than full priced retail games... in fact, I'd say they have less. And the great thing about XBLA is there is a demo for literally every game.

I honestly think the main problem with their game is it looks like shit. Sorry, it does. It may be the greatest XBLA game there is (I don't think it is... but for the sake of the argument), but when you see screenshots it looks like it could have been done on the NES. Like it not, graphics to play a factor and I think N+'s graphics are too shitty for its own good. Most people are going to look at the screenshots and pass instantly.

wow, your one of the few who doesn't appreciate the originality of flow, it is definitley standout and a great game. if you thought blast factor was a geometry wars clone then I guess geometry wars has motion controls? And you missed one of the best games on PSN , Superstardust HD, which makes me think you don't even own a PS3. Anyone whose played it will attest to it being far superior to GW.

Also not being interested in Warhawk? Then you must not like online gaming. Because as every reviewer has said, it is one of the best online experiences ever. Lag free 32p matches in huge levels with crazy vehicle support and excellent balanced gameplay? pshh "not interested" / biased fanboy / non-gamer.

What about Everyday shooter? High Velocity Bowling ( one of the best motion controlled games ever, on any console) and soon to be Wiperout HD and Grandturismo Prologue, Echochrome, ect. The PSN has a great selection of games and it seems much more discriminant against crap. Also fanboys (burnt meatloaf) who say 150mb limit is no problem , yeah, just like DVD is no problem eh. I dont get you guys. Its only logical to assume more space is better right? Sure you can make a great game under 150mb, BUT there are huge limitations there. Like how would GT prologue be released on XBLA, or warhawk, or socom, or wipeouthd or superstardust. It causes developers to cut corners, lower texture resolutions and cut audio and cinematics. The same idiots "burnt meatloaf" who say 150mb is not an issue, are the same idiots who say DVD is 100% sufficient.

The truth is that in many cases this is true, however, it is a restricting limitation, and much more can be done without 150mb or 9gb limitation. Thats the truth. DEAL with it.

Motion Control is probably THE most overhyped aspect of gaming on the PS3. Since you have no real limit as how far you can tilt the controller (compared to the limits the analog sticks give you - you know exactly where the max is), it's more guesswork than control. No wonder Lair failed. I tried the demo of Folklore and although the "catching" of the souls was kinda innovative for the first few tries, it got on my nerves quickly. On the Wii (which I don't have and don't intend to buy), the motion control is THE way to control the games, but on the PS3 it just seems to be tacked on.

I tried the Super Stardust HD demo and it was okay, but not as much to convince me to buy the game. It's another 2-stick shooter and since I can't even get 500K points in Geo Wars I passed on SSHD. ;-)

You're right in that I'm more of a single-player guy. I've played through all single-player of The Orange Box, but haven't yet played TF2 online ONCE. It's just not very interesting and more frustrating when you get pwn3d by the 14 year olds out there. Biased fanboy? No. I _did_ complete all multiplayer achievements in Prey, though, which was fun. As for non-gamer, my GS is in the 17000s. Certainly not hardcore, but not casual, either.

I'm very, VERY eager to see WipeOut HD since I loved the original WipeOuts. Gran Turismo is the biggest bore in gaming history to me, so I won't comment on that. I'd like to try Everyday Shooter, but there's no demo. Say what you want about XBLA, but the biggest advantage it has is that you can try EACH and EVERY game before buying it.

As for the size limit ... I think those limits make designers and programmers THINK and even might bring them to make better games. Modern day textures need more space of course, but when I read those articles about the problems with the size limit in the case of Street Fighter Advanced Ultra Whatever++ it made me chuckle. It's still a 20-year-old game with HD sprites tacked on. Duh.