This week on Ask Joystiq, we tackle Smash Bros Brawl's quirky saving preferences, universal disdain for Metroid II, the Smash Bros Brawl theme song, and the hunt for a classic Apple II platformer.
If you have any burning questions, unsolved gaming mysteries, or just a desire for musings from our knowledgeable cadre of writers, drop us a line at ask AAT joystiq DAWT com (and yes, we write it that way for a reason).
Q: If you haven't noticed by now, you cannot save your [Super Smash Bros. Brawl] game save to an SD card. However, you can save Vault data (Replays, Snapshots, and Custom Maps) to an external SD card. What gives?
-Andy
We asked Nintendo the same thing and got a predictable no comment, but we expect the answer has something to do with forcing players to unlock the game's myriad characters, stages, trophies and stickers on their own. This seems a little overbearing to us, though ... what does Nintendo care if we want to just unlock everything outright? This isn't like Xbox Live, where cheaters get an unfair advantage on the Gamerscore boards -- with SSBB, the only person a cheater is cheating is themselves.
Q: Why all the hate for Metroid II? I think it's pretty awesome IMO.
- M2Fan
We won't disagree with you there, M2Fan, but Metroid II: Return of Samus on Game Boy has always taken a lot of flak from the gaming community. A particularly seething review from 1UP's Jeremy Parish breaks down the hate quite nicely: stiff controls, repetitive background art, artificially constrained level design, and a soundtrack that pales in comparison to Hiroo "Hip" Tanaka's scores for the original NES title.
Of course, we feel that there's still a lot to love about Metroid II. The title introduced some of Samus's most integral weapons, such as the Spring Ball and Space Jump, and nobody can deny that the evolving Metroid designs were quite inspired. What's more, Metroid II brought us more Metroid (on a portable, no less!), and set up the story for the universally-acclaimed Super Metroid. It definitely holds a special place in our hearts.
Q: Back in 1995 or so, I used to play a platforming game on an old Apple computer, and I can't seem to track it down. You controlled a little pixelated man in a hat, collecting coins in an underground maze. The further down you went, the creepier the rooms got. The rooms had conveyor belts, rolling skulls and lots of ladders. Please help me find this missing piece of my childhood!
- Nostalgic Gamer
We had to put on our thinking caps for this one. If the Apple computer was "old" back in 1995, our best guess is that it was the Apple II, which had a number of classic platforming titles. Our first guess was Lode Runner, but the little man was lacking a hat, and there were no rolling skulls to be found. Next we stumbled upon Miner 2049er, which starred the hat-wearing Bounty Bob, but lacked the type of downward-moving gameplay described.
Luckily, we think we've found the game you're looking for: Montezuma's Revenge. The unfortunately-titled platformer has players collecting jewels through the labyrinthine maze of Montezuma's tomb. It's got ladders, conveyor belts and, yes, even skulls that roll. Enjoy.
Q. I really love the Smash Bros Brawl song at the beginning that sounds like an opera, but what are they singing?
- James G
The song is actually in Latin, the lyrics and translation you find out after beating Subspace Emissary. For a more accessible reference, Brawl Central has the lyrics broken down into Latin, Japanese, and English (both a translation and a reprinting of the game's interpretation). Of course, you could always just trust the helpful (and sometimes humorous) "translations" found elsewhere online.
Reader Comments (67)
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:07PM (Unverified) said
Speaking of old games...
Anyone remember Dave, for MS-DOS? I used to play that game in the school when I was a kiddo.
PS. Morning!
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Anyone remember Dave, for MS-DOS? I used to play that game in the school when I was a kiddo.
PS. Morning!
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:10PM (Unverified) said
By the way... I used to play an NES game... the cover looked very good, with a prince or a musketeer with a sword.
The game was a big labyrinth you had to search keys and stuff, and you started the game with like 50 lives or something.
Anyone remember the name? I want to play it again =(
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The game was a big labyrinth you had to search keys and stuff, and you started the game with like 50 lives or something.
Anyone remember the name? I want to play it again =(
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:52PM (Unverified) said
The original "Dangerous Dave" game (coded by the infamous John Romero) is available here:
http://dosgames.com/g_side2.php
There were other games made after this (ex. Dangerous Dave in the Haunted Mansion) but AFAIK they are not freely distributable, so you'd have to buy (or DL from some other site) those games.
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http://dosgames.com/g_side2.php
There were other games made after this (ex. Dangerous Dave in the Haunted Mansion) but AFAIK they are not freely distributable, so you'd have to buy (or DL from some other site) those games.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 1:40PM (Unverified) said
we had to play dd in the hauntd mansion in class one day when we were studing the evolution of games. hard as shit
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 1:44PM (Unverified) said
No... I just remembered it. It was CastleQuest.
This is the map:
http://www.nesplayer.com/misc/castlequest.gif
And this is the cover:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/scans4/castleqf.jpg
Great game =p
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This is the map:
http://www.nesplayer.com/misc/castlequest.gif
And this is the cover:
http://www.vgmuseum.com/scans/scans4/castleqf.jpg
Great game =p
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:14PM (Unverified) said
Both are very good games... but I prefer Metroid II over Hunters... MPH feels more like a shooter rather than an adventure game.
But it's a matter of tastes... most people dislike Metroid Zero Mission and I absolutely love that game, a little more than Metroid Fusion.
Too date, my favorite is Metroid Prime 1 and then Super Metroid. You have no idea how much I love Metroid Prime 1.
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But it's a matter of tastes... most people dislike Metroid Zero Mission and I absolutely love that game, a little more than Metroid Fusion.
Too date, my favorite is Metroid Prime 1 and then Super Metroid. You have no idea how much I love Metroid Prime 1.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:25PM Jerk Face said
Zero Mission and Fusion were both pretty fucking great; though I prefer ZM of the two. I never played Metroid II unfortunately, since I didn't have a gameboy back in the day. I think it's a game that could use a reprint, not unlike ZM, so that more people who missed it could get a chance to play it. They could fix the complaints people have easily, as well.
I'd buy that for sure.
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I'd buy that for sure.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:31PM (Unverified) said
Ohh Nigeria... you need to play the other games. Metroid is definitely my favorite videogame series. Every single Metroid game is good, even Metroid Pinball.
If you want to try the games, heres my top 5:
1. Metroid Prime 1
2. Super Metroid
3. Metroid Zero Mission
4. Metroid Fusion
5. Metroid Prime 3
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If you want to try the games, heres my top 5:
1. Metroid Prime 1
2. Super Metroid
3. Metroid Zero Mission
4. Metroid Fusion
5. Metroid Prime 3
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:32PM Jerk Face said
.. also, Hunters was kind of okay. Better than I expected from the demo. And multiplayer would have been fun, if everyone didn't use that fucking red guy with the stupid sniper rifle laser thing. Cheaters.
Also, Nigeria - go play Metroid Prime 3 (the whole series is actually pretty good, but 3 rules) and Super Metroid (one of the best games ever made) like, now.
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Also, Nigeria - go play Metroid Prime 3 (the whole series is actually pretty good, but 3 rules) and Super Metroid (one of the best games ever made) like, now.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:41PM (Unverified) said
Nigeria
Don't expect a full shooter... it's an adventure game, with puzzles... with a first person camera.
But the controls are amazing. Way better than double analogs.
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Don't expect a full shooter... it's an adventure game, with puzzles... with a first person camera.
But the controls are amazing. Way better than double analogs.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:49PM (Unverified) said
ugh, I love the Metroid series, but at least for me and other 3 people, the MP series was a letdown...oh, and Hunters too! I remember the game being fasted paced and challenging, Hunters and Prime were so freaking slower in comparison, yah, it must have been that...
Nintendo! I want my sidescrolling Metroid game! Oh man, Imma fire up Fusion once again...yum
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Nintendo! I want my sidescrolling Metroid game! Oh man, Imma fire up Fusion once again...yum
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:59PM (Unverified) said
"Way better than double analogs."
That ain't sayin a whole lot. The Turok N64 controls are better than dual analog. Dual analog almost made me never play another FPS on a console again. Thank you, Wiimote.
Although.... Keyboard/Mouse > Wiimote
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That ain't sayin a whole lot. The Turok N64 controls are better than dual analog. Dual analog almost made me never play another FPS on a console again. Thank you, Wiimote.
Although.... Keyboard/Mouse > Wiimote
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 1:31PM religiousjedi said
To a die-hard Metroid freak (and probably a good deal of others), Hunters is the worst. However, I find it to be thoroughly enjoyable (minus the damn hackers who think an Omega Cannon is fun in Combat Hall), more so than Metroid 2 (but that could be because Metroid Nut little bro decided to finish it...)
When it comes down to it...uh...Super Metroid is tied with Hunters somewhere after the Prime trilogy (maybe a bit above Echoes though). Prime and Corruption are still battling for 1st in my heart (like OoT, TP, and LttP in terms of Zelda).
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When it comes down to it...uh...Super Metroid is tied with Hunters somewhere after the Prime trilogy (maybe a bit above Echoes though). Prime and Corruption are still battling for 1st in my heart (like OoT, TP, and LttP in terms of Zelda).
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 9:05PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
I love all the Metroid games (yes, even Prime Pinball; it's a really good pinball game!), but I wouldn't rank them.
However, I will state one thing:
Although I liked Fusion, a lot didn't because of how linear it was. There was little freedom of exploration in Fusion. This is perhaps due to the amount of story and narration in the game (which is the same case with Prime 3).
And, personally, while Super Metroid is a great game, I HATE the controls for it. Seriously, I think they're awful. Or, at least, that's how I felt after playing it after playing ZM and Fusion. I guess it's just an evolution of gameplay (and simplification of controls), but SM's controls feel really clunky now.
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However, I will state one thing:
Although I liked Fusion, a lot didn't because of how linear it was. There was little freedom of exploration in Fusion. This is perhaps due to the amount of story and narration in the game (which is the same case with Prime 3).
And, personally, while Super Metroid is a great game, I HATE the controls for it. Seriously, I think they're awful. Or, at least, that's how I felt after playing it after playing ZM and Fusion. I guess it's just an evolution of gameplay (and simplification of controls), but SM's controls feel really clunky now.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:24PM samfish said
The whole not being able to save Brawl on an SD card thing really pissed me off last weekend. I tried to bring it over to my parents house so my brother and I could play with the unlocked characters, but NOPE! Can't save the freakin' thing to an SD card.
No Mario and Sonic ultimate battle between good and evil for us on Easter, that's for sure.
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No Mario and Sonic ultimate battle between good and evil for us on Easter, that's for sure.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:37PM (Unverified) said
I hear that Mario tried to rape Sonic once, and Sonic just laughed. You can't rape the willing.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:40PM (Unverified) said
I totally agree. Because of the lame SD save file issue, I had to bring my whole Wii over to my parents' house the other day. It was a bonus that I could simply unhook my Wii and leave the cables, but still, what's the point of the fucking SD card then?
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 3:38PM Nushio said
I'm pretty sure the "no saving Brawl data" has something to do with the stupid ass FriendCodes more than Nintendo being evil (about this).
It is annoying though, I can no longer bring "Melee and a Memory Card" to a friend's house. Now I have to pack up my Wii and Brawl.
Guitar Hero 3 has the same system setup, and I can't copy the file either.
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It is annoying though, I can no longer bring "Melee and a Memory Card" to a friend's house. Now I have to pack up my Wii and Brawl.
Guitar Hero 3 has the same system setup, and I can't copy the file either.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 4:10PM Mr Khan said
Nushio's right, it's part of the devilish design of friend codes to be completely untraceable. The friend code is created by combining a unique serial number in the disc(or cartridge for the DS) and combining it with the Wii & DS system codes (DS has one, its just a lot harder to find) to create a totally unique code
The code, however, is tied to the save file, but the item generating the code is tied to the disc, so to prevent them from running errant, they have to be un-transferrable
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The code, however, is tied to the save file, but the item generating the code is tied to the disc, so to prevent them from running errant, they have to be un-transferrable
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 7:10PM SoCoolCurt said
that SD card thing pissed me off. i tried to take my game save to my friends house since he has a Wii but hasnt bought Smash Bros Brawl yet. i was quite upset when i found out i had to take the whole console with me. and the part that pissed me off the most is that i couldnt thing of any logical reason for them to block saving to an SD card.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 7:30PM In A World said
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:38PM WatTsu said
On that note, then, can you save Mario Galaxy progress to an SD card and transfer that? I ask because I'm going to be moving soon and getting a Wii of my own since I'll no longer have access to my roommate's. I don't mind re-unlocking things on Smash but it would be a much more arduous task on Galaxy.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:41PM (Unverified) said
The Galaxy save file can be transferred to an SD card.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 12:42PM (Unverified) said
Yes, you can transfer every save file, except SSBB. =p
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 1:46PM flameofdoom666 said
"I believe you can't transfer any memory file that utilizes WiFi. For instance, I know you can't transfer Guitar Hero III, either. I think it has something to do with registering a WiFi code to your Wii."
I can copy Battalion Wars 2 though. I noticed I couldnt copy SSBB because I like to have a backup incase anything happens.
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I can copy Battalion Wars 2 though. I noticed I couldnt copy SSBB because I like to have a backup incase anything happens.
Posted: Mar 28th 2008 1:04PM (Unverified) said
DEFINITELY one of the games I'm hoping for on the Virtual Console. I was up late scouring the internet a few months ago, trying to figure out the name of that game based off the fuzzy memories I have of playing it as a kid on my uncle's Commodore 64. I eventually found a YouTube video that showed clips of 500 or so Commodore games in succesion. I nearly crapped my pants when I saw a clip of the game somewhere in the middle. Thankfully, the poster listed all the games, in order, in the comments section as well.
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Posted: Mar 28th 2008 6:41PM ill trooper said
That Apple ][ game also sounds like it could have been the game 'Aztec,' however... From the people that brought us 'Swashbuckler.'
http://www.gamespot.com/appleii/adventure/aztec/index.html
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http://www.gamespot.com/appleii/adventure/aztec/index.html
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