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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 10:07AM (Unverified) said

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And since Maverick hasn't heard of these phrases before-

A coloured girl is a girl who isn't white.

And now I'm going to go be pedantic over spoken phrases.

Whenever a Yank says "ass" I'll assume they mean a donkey.

When someone tells me "I'm going to kill you!" in any joking matter I'm going to report it to the police as a death threat.

"Tea's up!" Tea's up where? Can you get it down for me?

"Mother fucker!" You're pubescent and yet you chose to have sex with somebody in the menopause? That speaks volumes about your sex life and desires, especially since its a fabricated desire.

How long have you been in England, Maverick?
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 10:56AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Mills, I hate the term coloured, we are no more coloured then you, which is why replied in that mannerism, it does not make me any less educated as to what it means.

White is a colour dope for brains, in case you didn't know, and by using the term coloured, you are being a complete hypocrite in terms of everything you said earlier, all using the word 'coloured' does is further segregate parties from one another.

I'm not coloured, I am a colour, so are you, and if you can't see that, and somehow assume that by not being coloured you are white, then you are talking as much shit as the racists who use the term coloured as much as they use the 'N' word.

Nobody here uses the term coloured, its insulting. How would you like it if I called white people the 'none coloured' that is insulting in its own rights, racist and at the same time, somewhat demeaning, don't try to patronise me if you yourself can't see the point I'm making.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:27AM (Unverified) said

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So uh MTV, next year...Mexican/Latinos in Gaming? Are they gonna talk about Dom Santiago and his love Maria? El Fuerte in SF4? Joshua Ortega whos writing the Gears 2 script? Dishwasher Dead Samurai dev J Silva? I think this is pathetic. Like someone said above me, I dont care what race anybody is in the gaming industry. I just care about THE GAMES!! F@#% MTV!!!

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:32AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Lol, so would you mind if master chief took off his helmet and he was indian?
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:41AM (Unverified) said

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First of all MC would never take off his helmet lol, second of all...no. As long as he has sticky grenades hes allright with me =P
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:56AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Lol, how about if he turned gay, and in Halo 4 of the future tried to hit on allied soldiers as he went along, would that not change your opinion of him?

Cos I know lots of other hardcore gamers would be immidiatly turned off to see thier favourite characters change or the gameplay or culture change. Take GTA SA for example.

Hypocrites loved it up to Vice City and hated after that, I wonder why, now SUDDENLY they are back on the train, not all but most.

People would not be happy with a female GTA character, or iraqi, there would be mass chaos and low sales. Thats just the way it is.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:31AM (Unverified) said

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I don't get it.

Say that "Races are all equal", then make a special about black people?

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:40AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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When you think about it, changing the enemy from arabs to aliens makes a game no less racist :)

You are still commiting mass racial genocide.

Burn Halo burn!

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:41AM (Unverified) said

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Oh God I wish I hadn't clicked on this thread but now that I've exposed my brain to the mind numbing back and forth I'll just go ahead and say my peace.

I appreciate the article and the story. Of course racism is alive and well today. However as a black man I'm over it. If you're not racist thats awesome. Lets do lunch, play some Halo, get drunk, an go clubbing.

If you're racist you're a sad excuse for a human being and deserve to go to hell. I have no time for you and your pathetic way of life.

That being said the gaming community when it comes to black people isn't 100% perfect. However I don't think its absolutely horrible or intentionally trying to insult the black race with characters such as Cole from GoW or games like GTA: San Andreas. And truth be told there are STILL plenty of ignorant black folk who really think its cool to be a "thug" or act mad ghetto at every freaking moment of their lives.

Sorry but that shit is not acceptable. If you want respect then EARN it. When black people as a whole make a conscious decision to stop acting like coons and disown people who participate in coonery then we can actually demand some respect. MLK did a lot for the black race and America as a whole.

Unfortunately some black people are fucking it up for the rest of us. And for that I deeply apologize to Dr. King.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:44AM (Unverified) said

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Bravo!!! Good stuff and very well said. I agree 100% with what you are saying. +1
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:01AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Couldn't agree more, its those who want to make the change that get noticed, if individuals have no intention to help the rest of us make change, stop complaining.

I also hate when people use the excuse of slavery, thats the biggest load of crap excuse I have ever heard, should I stop striving for my goals because of something that did not apply to my direct life?

Urm....no
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:16AM (Unverified) said

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Thank god someone has the same mindset as I do on this issue.

But unfortently, if you go into the typical ghetto community and try to say what you said, you'll be considered "not black".
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:34AM Nigeria said

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That's a wonderfully sweeping statement, squirrel.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:46AM (Unverified) said

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"And truth be told there are STILL plenty of ignorant black folk who really think its cool to be a "thug" or act mad ghetto at every freaking moment of their lives."

Uh, there are "ignorant" folks of every race and people of every race pretending to be "thugs". In many cases these "ignorant" people are a product of a poor school system and a bad socio-economic situation.

Anyway, why are people getting so upset about this media story? It just media piece, a interesting story. I'm sure it wasn't meant to upset anyone. Also, let's face it, much of the media coverage is negative in general and arguably more so against African-Americans. I.e., the black athlete that spends his money at a strip club, get's much more coverage then the black athlete that gives large somes of money to charities and to help their communities. No one wants to hear that story. Some of you who are insulted by this story, should be much more insulted by the negative media story. But you're not, your okay with the negative and insulted by the positive. Can someone tell me why?
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 10:45AM ShinAntonio said

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"When black people as a whole make a conscious decision to stop acting like coons and disown people who participate in coonery then we can actually demand some respect. MLK did a lot for the black race and America as a whole."

This is such BS and I wish people of all races would quit treating black people like some monolithic group, acting as one. As a black man, how am I supposed to disown "ghetto" blacks who I've never met? Why should have to defend the behavior of people I've never met and can't control?

Black people have earned all the respect they deserve and then some. Just because some blacks make the rest of us look bad doesn't mean the rest can be painted with such a broad brush.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:02AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Antonio, don't see it that way, do yourself proud as a person and you will feel better as a person.

If you have been fortunate to not have had to come across the loosers of each race who try to bring the rest down, then that is good, it just means you have nothing to worry about other then bettering yourself and making your race proud.

No matter who you are, if you are doing well for yourself, you will be treated with respect, it is the individuals that choose the opposite and in thier spite, bully, incite hatred or even kill the successful that are the ones that these comments are aimed at.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:42AM (Unverified) said

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RACISM DOES NOT EXIST. There is NO such thing as racism. Last time I checked Homosapiens were the last and ONLY humanoid species left on Earth.

You can be Ethnist, NOT racist. There is ONLY 1 human race with many different ethnicities.

I wish I could be alive when the day finally comes that everyone on this planet is referred too as Human.

NO Jews, Christians, Muslims, White, Black, Buddist, Hindu etc. etc. JUST HUMAN, that is all any of us ever were, and that is ALL we will ever be.

No groups to spread the separation of humankind. Nothing.

I AM HUMAN, I AM ALIVE.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 8:50AM (Unverified) said

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Well, when blacks have such amazing role models to look up to, like Fitty Cent in games I dont seem to mind there almost non existence presence in the gaming world.

If there is not a white-spaniard-asian profile in gaming they should be sued.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:06AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Dude, this is the exact reason this article was made, its because of Fitty Cent that blacks are pecieved as ghetto in these silly run and gun games.

Its up to black developers to change that stereotype, and not just make games aiming at blacks, but make games for all races, but at the same time maintaining the antistereotype, adding more black respectable and memorable characters in games and changing the way games are percieved today.

I can think of lots of famous female game characters, I can think of even more famous Japanese characters and endless amounts of white legendary heros, yet, I can't think of one single black hero name that goes on in the world of gaming. This is the achievement that new black developers intend to reach :)
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:14AM Shogan said

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@Maverick

I'd love it were that what we ended up seeing, but as long as black people support people like 50 Cent as role models, nothing is going to change. Best of luck to them, regardless.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:25AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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I honestly don't see how 50 got there in the first place, hes an iddiot. Instead of using his money to fund youths who want to go to college or something else useful, he throws it around clubs and spends it on more cars, girls and guns, raps more shit, gets more moeny, and spends the rest of that time slagging Kanye West off for taking all 'his' awards, that he did not rightfully earn with his rubbish music.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:08AM Shogan said

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Why can't we just look at professionals in gaming without it being a race/gender issue? We're supposed to be all equal, but damn if the media doesn't love to keep reminding us how we aren't.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:59AM (Unverified) said

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Because they don't want that. Look at some of mavericks posts as an example. Only some minorities can be helped, screw everyone else and look at nothing but their race. And also try to apply their own logic to a common situation - in his case his lack of social understanding of what a "coloured girl" is.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:05AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Like I said, the gaming industry isn't equal, and Mills is too blind to see that, thus the reason why hes attacking me for no valid reason.

This is the reasoning for having new cultures and sexes entering the industry to change the way games are played, and end the typical stereotypes. Eg: Gangster black people in games.

Never has a black person in a game been a political figure for example.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:12AM Shogan said

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Speaking of... the most obvious gay 'hero' in gaming I can remember is that flaming queen in that RPG that came out last year... and Jade's hologram assistant in Beyond Good and Evil. I'm gay, btw.

What I'd like to see, and I'm guessing what a lot of black gamers would like to see, are characters that are just people. I don't stress over not seeing gay people in games, I really don't care either way unless it's something like The Sims. But if we are going to be represented, let us be people first. Stereotypes exist, but when only a handful of characters are out there to represent 'you', and those embrace the worst of us, it's something I'd personally rather not have at all. This goes for TV and movies as well.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:23AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Thats just silly, don't you know characters have to either look butch or look like Cloud from FF7, duh?
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:13AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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I think the conclusion here is that black developers need to take it upon themselves to make those black gaming heros we desire, cos I really can't think of any.

It is up to the black layabout youths to get off thier asses and start helping the rest of us make change instead of sitting around and moaning about discrimination, with thier levels of intelligence, I'm suprised they even know the meaning of 'discrimination', its funny this topic came up.

I used to know this prat at school, he complained there wasn't enough blacks in movies, he complained there wasn't enough blacks in games, but yet, what was he doing? Having sex with every girl and getting them pregnant :S Right...his opinion mattered about as much as a drunk tramp.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:23AM (Unverified) said

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Well unfortently you'll be considered "not black" ether maverick by the media. You say it'll take the young blacks to get off the asses and do something...but it's gonna take millions of them to get the mainstream media's attention.

It's sad how online, alot of people are suprised I'm even black at all, because I never spoke that stupid ghetto slang crap. And so much of society is focused on these negative stereotypes that I'm so misrepersented. I'm sure you do too maverick.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:30AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Dude, I am considered 'not black' already, this is why I let my mouth run. Lol.

I'm the type of person those typical ghetto boys take the piss out of because I was brought up well, because I have high standards, cos my girlfriend is stunning and they can't get her, cos I live in a better area then them, because I draw and do supposedly 'unblack' things.

The funny thing is, I adore my race, I love who I am, and I couldn't care less about any of them, I look down on them with pity as I go through Uni happily.

And you know what? Based on whats going on in this country, as a contrast to the rest of them, I am more likely to get stabbed, all the black youths on TV these days getting stabbed are the ones actually trying to make a difference, not the useless ones, the ones with high potential, the ones playing sports well, the ones in uni, the ones finishing a masters degree, the ones doing exceptionally well and brought up in nice families, they are the ones being pointlessly killed. I just don't understand it :S
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 9:38AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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We need better dance games, I wanna dance like step up 2 :(

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 10:09AM phizzyphizzy said

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Gah, this is unnecessary. They don't need special attention because they're black or female, just let their work speak for itself.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 10:39AM The Commenter Formerly Known as said

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I wish we could just let their work speak for themselves...but that’s not the case. We live in a world were hard work doesn't always get you ahead...were you're judged even be you open your mouth...were people look down on you if you're not like them. I will be happy when we don't articles need article to help point out the very few people large industry. But I would be even happier when the majority stops getting mad everytime the minority is getting some creed.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:13AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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True, I wouldn't care less who made the game as long as its good, but that doesn't change how people percieve games as a whole, and what needs to be changed about it or improved.
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 10:22AM The Commenter Formerly Known as said

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Why does every article that has the word "black" in has to become a racial argument? These articles are not here to say that black people are better but if there was not an article I would have never had known they existed. These articles help people who normally don't get the spotlight. Why can't we express our difference without being a racist?

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 5:16PM gshauger said

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And this is significant why?

Hopefully next time they will have an article on Vietnamese in gaming and after that French Canadians.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:10AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Valid point, I would want to be treated no differently, just because I'm black doesn't mean I should be put into needy groups, I want to do well for myself and achieve just like everyone else and EARN the job I want, not have it cast upon me like charity.

This is where some industries fail, however, this article is different, its not giving priority to blacks or any form of importance, its just looking at thier viewpoints and opinions on games, just like going over to Japan and asking Japanese developers what they like about games, the only difference is that this reporter is not just looking at any developer, she is looking at the groups in the industry that are small sums, and are depicted in a certain light in the games we play.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:16AM easo said

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I love joystiq race discussions. Squirrel3D always makes me laugh. "I'm not ignorant so people say I'm a sell out or they think I'm not black." Simply put, you seem to think that ignorant and black culture are synonymous. You should know that the average black family is a middle class family. However, you should also know that the average black family only earns about 60% of what the average white family earns (btw the avg. white family is also middle class). There has always been a gap in the incomes of black and white families, mostly due to a combination of racial inequality and inadequate schools (inadequate in terms of finances and the educational experience) in black neighborhoods.

But on topic, I don't see why people find this offensive. Everyone has different opinions, and these opinions are shaped by a variety of things. Race being one of this. Thus, I dont see a problem with getting a black mans take on the gaming industry as it will undoubtedly be a little different from the caucasian and japanese views that we hear all the time. And dont take that as a racist statement. Most game developers are white or japanese and thus we hear from them more often than the developers from other ethnic groups. All in all I cant see why so many people have their panties in a bunch over this. Its just a different persons opinion.


Posted: Apr 10th 2008 11:24AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Exactly! Rate up for you mister :)
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Posted: Apr 10th 2008 12:01PM (Unverified) said

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Wait... is Morgan Gray wearing a Flyers sweater?

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 12:29PM pezzulca said

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test

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 1:24PM (Unverified) said

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You guys really wear yourselves out with the race thing. The articles were great, gave some good perspectives on the game industry.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 2:18PM Wubbytoes said

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N'Gai is one of my favorite game journalists. I love it when he is on 1up yours.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 2:18PM phizzyphizzy said

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I cried and told people they were just shooting me because I was black in CoD4, and then everybody stopped shooting me. Why are people so afraid of random people thinking they're racist?

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 2:37PM Rax Dakkar said

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So did anyone actually read the article in question or just pile in here to give their 2-cents about race realtions? The article is saying something about perspective, specifically a Black perspective, in reference to the Resident Evil 5 trailer. I think the interivew does shed light one why this industry is still so imature and that's our own constant defense that "it's only a game" until someone points out how racist it looks and then we suddenly try to defend it. Would we be as willing to defend a movie with a white solider looking guy going through an African village and murdering practically everyone in sight? Perhaps the trailer is misleading, you have a black parter or your trying to save a city from the virus or something, or maybe it will try to make a statement about the situations people are currently in in Africa, but to just say that the trailer doesn't have highly, racially inflammatory imagery is just ingorant. Yes, Resident Evil 4 had Spanish zombies being killed, but as is pointed out in the article, it wasn't portrayed in the same way, their wasn't a very recent colonization and occupation of Spain, or terrible famine and disease, or still ongoing war. It might help to expose yourself to another perspective before opening your mouth (or in this case typing).

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 4:03PM Gwr said

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suggestion:some people here should a job or a real hobby .
idea: these is like a hobby and they kinda take it too serious.

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 4:18PM (Unverified) said

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@silkylove -

You wrote: "The article is written by Tracey John; a white woman."

If it matters to you, I am not white/Caucasian. I am an American-born person of Chinese descent with parents born and raised in Mozambique. However, regardless of my own ethnic background, I am someone who supports diversity in all aspects of life, and I thought these interviews would be interesting for discussion. Judging by the comments here, on other sites and on our own blog, there's still a lot to talk about.

Thanks for reading,
Tracey

Posted: Apr 10th 2008 6:38PM Mr Slayer said

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Wow, people are so easily offended over nothing.

Posted: Apr 13th 2008 8:44AM (Unverified) said

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Diversity: The Invisible Hurdle

by Joseph N. Saulter

This was a article from 2004 Hope it helps the conversation

When we look at our financial portfolio, one of the first questions that comes up is, How can one diversify one's finances for maximum returns? We never place all our assets into one financial instrument and pray for good returns, we diversify. While diversification is not the same as diversity, it does share with the latter, the objective of investing in assets diverse enough so that the return on one's investment is maximized.

It can be argued that while diversification deals with financial assets, diversity deals with cultural and human capital assets. Thus the words will be used coterminously, in this article. The issue of diversity is such a pressing one. I view diversity not as a challenge but an opportunity to enhance creativity through people contributing their own unique experiences to humanity's culture. The process of expertly using cultural differences to increase wealth, in the context of worldwide economic integration, is a hot topic for the new millennium. The video game community, with its international appeal and its proven track record as a successful entity in the financial arena, would benefit economically, educationally and ethically if it were to diversify (i.e. be culturally diverse) for maximum returns.

The issue is not why to diversify but how to diversify. Diversity is creating an inclusive environment where a team of professionals creatively uses their differences and appreciates the opportunity to weave a multitude of new ideas into best practices. Creatively speaking, it's like composing a symphony in our organizations that utilizes the spirit of improvisational jazz. Diversity touches the core of our existence because we all have deep rooted cultural awareness. We continue to appreciate the richness of our own cultures, but the pure essence of diversity is to take the best of all cultures, give them a place and a voice, and create an atmosphere of creativity and inclusion.

Increasingly Diverse Society

Demographic changes over the past decade predict that by the year 2050, racial/ethnic groups will make up 48% of the total U.S. population. This percentage speaks volumes. As it is, never before, in the history of our country, have our children been exposed and adapted to the information technology so readily available. They are far more advanced technically than earlier generations. Each generation changes our nation. As the impact of diversity moves through our gaming community we must adapt to the changes.

A culturally diverse initiative on the part of the industry's leaders would create a new environment of creative entertainment. We all have a story to tell and the compelling stories of our diverse communities have not always been told with sensitivity. If the game business community were to explore the diverse community we would find a grand opportunity to engage young minds and experience the rewards of their labor.

There is a whole generation that is changing the style, the music and marketing, as well as the complexion, of our nation. They are the underground artists creating the non-commercial styles, a sound so new and fresh with the spirit of jazz as its essence, an improvisation lyrically waving its new brush of creativity across the canvas of our lives. It is an invisible generation filled with diversity and a new vision. I await the day when the game industry lets them dance across the finger tips of a nation steeped in the all-consuming monitors, TV screens and theaters of consumers, clamoring for more.
Important Roles

One of the most important roles in our industry, is to achieve the goal of diversity in education. "Edutainment" in K-16 schools across the country can change the educational arena. We all know the problems facing our nation in terms of education and that's for all children in our nation.

Let's look at the haves and the have-nots; let's always know there is a better way to adapt our educational expertise than the containment camp mentality. As an educator for many years I find the new statistics for our country alarming, namely that 51% of African American males between the grades of 7-12 are likely to dropout of school or be put in jail. This statistic rises for Latin Americans and people of color from the Caribbean Islands. We have to stop the madness.

A NASA initiative for the Center of Educational Technology is to develop games that would educationally engage the at risk student, giving the student a more compelling educational experience while enhancing the chances of graduation. Let's face it, school is boring to many of our technologically advanced students, and even worse for our challenged students. We need to explore new opportunities in diversity education and see how we can financially support programs that look at alternative, creative ways of educating our students.

Playing games gives the student the rare opportunity to engage in a situational learning environment where choice, adaptation, cognitive awareness and achievement can be assessed. By educating a diverse community one has the opportunity to enhance the bottom line in a culturally dynamic international marketplace. It goes without saying that it could be more engaging for students to create 3D games, models and environments than play in traditional venues.

Alternative Options

How do we get more stories about Latinos in the Game Industry? How can we hire more women and people of color? How do we colorize the list of contacts or stretch our creative opportunities to the south side, the east side, or whatever side of town is not represented in our development environment? How can we include poor people, gays and lesbians, faith communities, and the range of folks who haven't historically measured up to the industry's definition of valued game developers?

This is a tall order for our industry when we include this in our everyday "sleep is for the weak" milieu. In conclusion we are just beginning to explore the opportunities in ways that will enhance our industry's bottom line. Let's continue to investigate the possibilities and realize that collective collaboration is the key.

This conversation is great with all of our challenges . Let's really look at the possibilities. check out the IGDA diversity movement and add your voice.

www.ea-research.com

In Peace,

Professor

Posted: Apr 15th 2008 1:36PM (Unverified) said

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just the pure fact that this article has sooo many fuckin comments is bona fide proof that racism is real, the attitudes are real, the sadistic pain and vitimization is real. its interesting that gamers are so willingly engaged in a dialogue about race. and that says what...

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