Sony to MS: You've punched yourself out of the fight

Am I the only person that caught wind of the chip Toshiba is about to release?

It upconversts SD video to 960p.

I found the link.

Make sure you read the "read/source". Thats where they make mention of it.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/08/toshiba-releases-spursengine-graphics-co-processor-for-testing/

That's you...not everyone else. I'm waiting for Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, GOW2, Halo Wars, Alan Wake, Too Human, Splinter Cell: Conviction and Left 4 Dead.

Nate.. you might want to try out Fable man.

Could you name those 7 games? Just our of interest... since i also owe a ps3 and only MGS is on my must-have list right now.

MGS4, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, SOCOM: Confrontation, Home, Haze, & GT5

I think that what a lot of people are also missing is the past game library- the decision to buy a console is not made solely on what is coming out, but also what has come out already, and I think that everyone can agree that the 360 has seen a better exclusive lineup throughout its' years. People like me, who can't buy every single great release because we're cheap, are still waiting on great games like GOW1 and COD4 to get cheaper (of course I, like everyone else, did get Halo though).

The only thing I want a PS3 for is GT5. But even then i'm not sure if it's going to be as good as it's hyped up to be

Yeah, but the same argument can be made for the games coming out for the xbox, although I see them as fun to play, I don't see them as system sellers.

I wish somebody would keep a running list of "AAA" upcoming releases for all the major systems so we wouldn't get into these pissing contests. PS3 is going to have White Knight Story, two FFXIII games (at least one of which *will* sell several million copies, even if it's crap), at least one more Ratchet and Clank (so we're told), MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, and Resistance 2, just to name a few. Granted, I'm only actually excited about 4 or 5 of those, but it's a good start (and a lot better than what we've seen in the past ~6 months). 360 has a lot of quality exclusives coming up (see above) too; I think 2008 is going to be the year that hardcore gamers are forced to cross over from their platform of choice if they don't want to miss a fantastic game.

I hear Fenix.

@the other dude.. U don't think Gears is a system mover? what about Fable? maybe Ninja Gaiden?

anyway.. We all know that production is super slow on the PS3 SDK so i'm just wondering when Sony is going to call it quits.

I think Sony isn't used to going blow for blow with someone like MS. And they would love it if MS gave up. I don't see how releasing two sequels is punching yourself out (Forza and Halo).

James you mentioned 2008 but some of the games you mentioned aren't coming in 08..

what gives?

I know for a fact that there is no damn way that the same studio that makes Ratchet and Resistance will not put them out (can not) at the same time.

@Yslesomething

No, I don't see GOW2 as a system seller and neither should you or anyone else on what we have seen so far. There has been nothing outside of graphical upgrades (many of which look better in other games like Crysis and Alan Wake) that has proven to me and others that this will be a system seller. It's not a good enough game to buy a system over. I didn't buy an xbox till there were many games I felt worth playing.

As far as Sony used to going blow to blow with someone, They fought and won with the ps2 over the Nintendo Gamecube and the original xbox, the ps2 is still outselling the 360. They are very used to it.

I hear you bud.

Just wondering have you caught wind of a new chip made by Toshiba that upconverts DVD to 960p?

I saw it on engadget the other day?

That could slow down the whole blu-ray thing.

Sony shouldn't bank on blu-ray being the only selling point.

I don't understand why people have such a hard time seeing the value and ease at which a 360 can be the entertainment hub of a home. I love to play games but I also love streaming video to my theater room from the server downstairs. The way a 360 can upscale video is amazing. I think the XBVM is as good as blu-ray and digital distribution is the future like it or not. While I see where your coming from that the 360 is the most traditional console of this generation don't deny the fact that the 360 is an entertainment beast.

im not denying the fact, the 360 can and very much so, is a great entertainment system, im just saying that while hunting for a console i don't exactly look at the blueray player or anything like that, the 360 IS a good entertainment system, i use it for dvd's and while im not a HD person, its good its able to preform these functions if wanted. While its good and all to have these extras i believe the 360 succeeds cause it is a great traditional console and with the extra of a dvd player, and high def functions it can also be wanted by a high def gamer.

you guys do know toshiba left microsoft (HD-DVD) to go work WITH sony. So, toshiba won't be able to overpower sony, because sony gave toshiba the technology (their own cell processor inside the ps3) to work on and advance furthur.

Well, that's nothing new for them really. It's the same thing they did with Blu-ray.

Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Just wondering have you caught wind of a new chip made by Toshiba that upconverts DVD to 960p?

I saw it on engadget the other day?

Sony shouldn't bank on blu-ray being the only selling point.

Ysleiro say it one more time you douchebag. He CAUGHT WIND OF IT 1000 COMMENTS AGO.

So, you're telling me games from the last generation and before had no replay value? Considering most consoles were not used online and absolutely no games had 'achievements', that seems to be the point you're making.
Online play (which MGS4 has) is a good way to add replay value, since you always get paired against different opponents who react differently. But it's clearly not the only thing.
Do you know how many times people played games like Sonic the Hedgehog (Megadrive)? Hmm... Maybe that's too far back for you, is this your first console generation?

To be fair Phizzy, these things go generation to generation. What was good replay value back then may not be considered good anymore, just like Chrono Trigger at one point was revelled as having great graphics, those are no longer considered good compared to what we have today.

Likewise, what was once considered to be a fair amount of replay value may no longer be considered so today compared to the games around it. I can say with confidence that the number of hours I've put into Gears of War are greater than the number of hours I put into my top 10 games last console generation combined. Putting 40 hours into a game was once considered an eternity. Nowadays, people put exponentionally more time into online shooters like CoD4, Gears, etc. Playing a 6-10 hour game used to be considered OK, whereas nowadays a game that offers 6-10 hours and nothing else on top of that gets ripped to shreds.

In fact, now that I think about it, the game that I put the most time into by far last generation was Madden, and that was because I played it online a ton.

Sure, games can have plenty of replay value without online or achievements (Oblivion anyone?). But they're still starting way behind. Actually playing through Crackdown is about a 3 hour ordeal, but I'll be damned if I haven't put 80 hours into that game screwing around in co-op and going after the fun as hell achievements. That's double the time I put into GTA3 San Andreas even though the substance of San Andreas was 100 times what's there in Crackdown (kill boss A, then kill boss B, then kill boss C).

Now, imagine if we combine the powers. I guess we'll see that happen on April 29th...

@phizzy...

Dude, i've been around the block since the 2600... I can tell you that i have played many many many games and played them over and over again... But the achievements have gotten me to actually go back and play games to get more points... And discover other parts of the game...

So if i were to get GTA on 360 vs getting it on a PS3, i will choose the 360 because i will get more out of it...

My comment is just my feelings on gaming... Achievements bring me back into games that i may have forgotten about months later... Some people arnt affected by the stigma that is achievements... You certaintly arnt, but i am...

How many xbox1 games have you honestly gone back and actually played from beginning to end? (not counting halo2)... Now think about it, if they had achievements, you would definitely be more than willing to go back and finish them up for that 1000 completion score... right?

MGS WILL suck your balls. Have you seen demos for that game? It's easily the most homo-erotic game I have ever seen. Now, that's fine if you like that sort of thing, but I prefer my eroticism hetero.

Seriously, go watch some movies for this game. When snake crawls on the ground the camera gets up in his grundle while he basically humps the ground. His ass is accentuated in his gay-suit. And when he camos up against a naked statue, he grabs the balls. C'mon! That's gay (not that there's anything wrong with that). Sorry, I can do without that game. The last one sucked too.

Sony is getting waaaay too confident. The 360 is the better gaming console by far. Sure I have some gripes, but there are much more games right now and better games on the way.

ur smart. i like you.

wii ftw! i kid, but smash does rule.

that was @ thisguyrighthere, not sugar daddy...he might be smart too but i haven't seen these so called homoerotic mgs vids.

SugarDaddy you must be in 8th grade to not appreciate the humor. I'm sorry any gay humor brings out the inner homosexual in you and that makes you afraid. Lighten up.

This will also make all our DVDs life span WAY longer.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/08/toshiba-releases-spursengine-graphics-co-processor-for-testing/

If you read the "read" link (source) they further explain that the chip can upconvert SD Video to 960p

Go away troll your retarded comments are laughable.

You get that with the exception of "ShitLo" the others are cross-platform right?

It's like saying "I hate PS3, who cares about Kung-Fu Panda anyway"