Microsoft's Greenberg claims victory in battle for 'core user' over Sony
Less than two years into what some see as a ten-year battle might seem like an odd time to declare victory, but not to Microsoft's Xbox 360 Group Product Manager Aaron Greenberg. In an interview with Next-Gen, Greenberg stated that, in his opinion, "the battle for the core user is sort of over, if you will. ... I feel we've secured that core buyer, and that gives us quite a bit of an advantage versus PS3, which is late to the game and still at a price disadvantage relative to the Xbox."
Greenberg did offer one slight caveat to his claim, acknowledging that Sony is "a very formidable competitor in Europe," (indeed) but overall he scoffed at the idea that upcoming PS3 exclusives would make a dent in the Xbox 360's lead in installed base and mindshare. "They're trying to go after a consumer that has already bought an Xbox 360," Greenberg said. "You could say that they showed up with too little, too late." Or you could say that Microsoft is declaring too much too early. We report ... you decide.
Greenberg did offer one slight caveat to his claim, acknowledging that Sony is "a very formidable competitor in Europe," (indeed) but overall he scoffed at the idea that upcoming PS3 exclusives would make a dent in the Xbox 360's lead in installed base and mindshare. "They're trying to go after a consumer that has already bought an Xbox 360," Greenberg said. "You could say that they showed up with too little, too late." Or you could say that Microsoft is declaring too much too early. We report ... you decide.






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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
NATO_Duke @ Apr 18th 2008 2:03PM
Oh sh*t, here we go...
xFenixKnightx @ Apr 18th 2008 3:01PM
Stupid work, Im late =( no fun!
Syn @ Apr 18th 2008 3:16PM
It sounds like 2 years to Microsoft is close the end.
I smell a new console from Microsoft in 2-3 years by those comments.
Sony said PS3/PSP has a 10 year life span.
Co @ Apr 18th 2008 3:40PM
To sum up Mr. Greenberg: Anyone looking to buy a 360 already has one by now.
xFenixKnightx @ Apr 18th 2008 3:44PM
Yea that makes sense since PS2 is STILL selling for some reason. But wait, I thought everyone already bought a PS2? You HAVE to be kidding me Co.
JakubK666 (Ninja Defence Force) @ Apr 18th 2008 3:48PM
Yeah but PS2's are like £20 now.I have a friend who bought one as a DVD-Player. Sony Curse!? Their main selling point is always the bloody optical drive.
CD>DVD>Blu-Ray
Co @ Apr 18th 2008 3:53PM
Wait what? Who said anything about a Playstation? Especially the PS2, which was last gens Wii. Which means it has been selling (and in Wiis case will continue to sell) well beyond that of its competitors.
Off topic, anyone check this out yet? http://wii.ign.com/articles/867/867498p1.html
That Quantum3 tech demo is pretty neat, and should peak Factor 5's interest for competition.
Jason @ Apr 18th 2008 4:12PM
The photo says it all, I need not comment.
kbomb1upc @ Apr 18th 2008 4:28PM
@CO
"To sum up Mr. Greenberg: Anyone looking to buy a 360 already has one by now. "
I can't be the only one that hates when people use this comment... So please tell me what those 262K people where looking for last month...
Zoesch @ Apr 18th 2008 6:27PM
200,000 RROD replacements
60,000 Red Light thingie of death replacements
1,999 WMP11 Media Extenders
1 New User
=P
Smack @ Apr 18th 2008 2:04PM
That picture reeks of appropriateness...
copa @ Apr 18th 2008 2:09PM
Hey, as long as this story ends with Killjebus getting water boarded, I'm OK with it.
el serpiente @ Apr 18th 2008 2:13PM
Ah, so we've finally reached the end-game of flame war...wishing torture upon the opposition!
copa @ Apr 18th 2008 2:16PM
Aaron Greenberg does not torture.
Period.
Sometimes he does use enhanced interrogation.
WiiSports Machine...Fernandos in disguise PSN: Killjebus @ Apr 18th 2008 2:18PM
That is the perfect picture for this article Joystiq. Give out a golf Klap for whoever came up with this idea.
Bring it on Sony says the Microsoft spokesperson.
I wonder if he knows that the PS3 will have a LARGER install base in the EU by the end of the summer?
Nintendo goes for the casual crowd.
Microsoft goes for the hardcore crowd.
Sony goes for the hardcore, midcore, AND casual crowd.
What an assclown. Maybe the Dubya administration of War profiteers should sign him up.
arrrgh @ Apr 18th 2008 3:20PM
wtf have you been smoking?
sony going for the casual crowd with the ps3? the most technically advanced system with the most features? That's not really casual.
Mr Khan @ Apr 18th 2008 3:52PM
@ WSM, I am pleased by your lack of Wii bashing, however i would agree that Sony cannot be focusing on the casual gamer, as they priced themselves right out of that
If (for some reason, i'm aware of the lower limitations of cost for something so high-end as the PS3) Sony were matching Nintendo's price levels, i would be inclined to agree, Sony, at least, doesn't exude the kind of testosterone-fueled attitude that the Xbox brand does, which hinders Microsoft's rarely successful efforts to appeal to the casual crowd
Also agree about the appropriateness of the picture. Microsoft shouldn't count their chickens in the 2nd-place war
WiiSports Machine...Fernandos in disguise PSN: Killjebus @ Apr 18th 2008 4:22PM
The Playstations go after the hardcore 1st, then the midcore, and finally the casual.
The PSone did it, the PS2 did it, and the PS3 WILL do it. Right now the PS3 is still in it's hardcore phase, and will likely start to go after the midcore by the holidays...and holiday '09 or'10 is when they will focus more of their efforts on the casual crowd with a PS3 slim.
kagai @ Apr 18th 2008 2:04PM
I know both companies do this kind of thing to appear superior, but I think this generation has shown that more than one console can survive successfully in the marketplace.
You can enjoy your success without crapping on everyone else, because, in the end, more choices and competition means that everyone wins.
caustic @ Apr 18th 2008 2:32PM
Hey Kagai! Please keep your positive outlook to yourself. This isn't the special olympics. If you can't say anything pointless and hateful then don't say anything at all.
Todd H. @ Apr 18th 2008 2:35PM
Well said!
Mutant @ Apr 18th 2008 4:15PM
The 360 has been a big success for Microsoft since it has a bigger market share and mind share than the original Xbox did in its time. That said, the 360's lead is shrinking all the time now that the PS3 is really hitting its stride.
This guy will have his words thrown back in his face soon enough. An he will probably handle it the same way as the last person to say "mission accomplished."
Lars @ Apr 18th 2008 5:02PM
Hahaha, that was all great (except Mutant, who's remark doesn't seem to tie in at all).
I'm curious how they define "core users", it's obviously not just plain old gamers.
FrankTheCrank @ Apr 18th 2008 2:05PM
Hahaha...flamebait!! This is fraking gold!!
PS3 has been out for one single year. 360 for two.
360 has USA...that's it.
If anyone's won, it's Nintendo.
copa @ Apr 18th 2008 2:10PM
"If anyone's won, it's Nintendo."
You said it. I'm trying to figure out how you could possibly define a 'core user' such that Wii doesn't hold the greatest market share.
LaughingTarget @ Apr 18th 2008 3:00PM
Microsoft defines the core user as anyone that bought the Xbox 360 Core. Since the PS3 and Wii don't have a "core" model, they lose by default.
Lars @ Apr 18th 2008 5:30PM
LaughingTarget's comment FTW! I seriously laughed out loud.
Fernando Rocker @ Apr 18th 2008 2:06PM
Well... finally some 360 vs PS3 flamewars...
*Grabs popcorns.
el serpiente @ Apr 18th 2008 2:15PM
I CAN HAZ POPCORNS?
Fernando Rocker @ Apr 18th 2008 2:31PM
You can haz popcorns... just bring the Coke =p
Vcize @ Apr 18th 2008 3:27PM
Doubtful that this insights a major flame war since most of the 360 biased folk on this site tend to be civil enough to admit when some propaganda-speak is just someone talking out of their ass and don't cling to every last word that their precious company executives string them along with like some of the other folk around here.
JakubK666 (Ninja Defence Force) @ Apr 18th 2008 3:45PM
I can haz flamethrower? PS3 is teh suxxorz lololollolol shite!
deaftly @ Apr 18th 2008 2:08PM
Cue the SDF!
upz PSN: heypaul @ Apr 18th 2008 2:25PM
Earth!
deaftly @ Apr 18th 2008 2:30PM
Fire!
Fox318 @ Apr 18th 2008 2:34PM
Wind!
ComicShaman @ Apr 18th 2008 2:36PM
Protoculture!
Wait... sorry. Wrong SDF. I got confused.
Bender Bending Rodriguez @ Apr 18th 2008 2:53PM
Heart!
Seriously, that's what they came up with? Heart. This guy got fucked. The other douchebags can control the Greek elements, and all this guy can do is talk to monkeys with his heart...
upz PSN: heypaul @ Apr 18th 2008 3:12PM
Yeah, and it's the Native American kid. First we steal his land, then we steal his masculinity.
upz PSN: heypaul @ Apr 18th 2008 3:24PM
I had to look up protoculture to get that joke. And now I finally understand Borland's SDF Macross ring reference. My god, I've been blind for so long...
JakubK666 (Ninja Defence Force) @ Apr 18th 2008 3:52PM
Smugness!
el serpiente @ Apr 18th 2008 4:01PM
AND I'LL FORM THE HEAD!
Ninjakamster @ Apr 18th 2008 6:16PM
Wassa!
JakubK666 (Ninja Defence Force) @ Apr 18th 2008 6:54PM
bound together to form: CAPTAIN KRAZY KEN!
RoboChamp @ Apr 18th 2008 2:08PM
Sorry bud, I think the core user still has a PS2.
Bender Bending Rodriguez @ Apr 18th 2008 2:32PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but Most, if not ALL Xbox 360 owners ha(d/s) a PS2...
xFenixKnightx @ Apr 18th 2008 3:05PM
You sir are very correct =)
Cal @ Apr 18th 2008 4:51PM
Or have passed their PS2 down to the next generation of gamers
joeyg @ Apr 18th 2008 2:12PM
i own a 360 and that has the be the most retarded statement i've ever heard.
considering the total amount of 360's sold when comparing the competition during it's first year (none), vs the wii and ps3 is comparing apples and oranges.
carlos_mct @ Apr 18th 2008 2:11PM
oh no this shit is gonna end ..badddd
*takes cover