Moar like Epic Fail!!!onelevntyz

No.... Definitely Super Epic Win

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Unreal indeed.

Further proof the Wii is just a well camouflaged piece of shit.

More like proof that Epic are full of themselves.
They take the PC market for granted and slate a console they can't develop for with their existing tech.

^ you know absolutely nothing about the Wii STFU maybe if you knew something about hardware you could have an opinion but no.

sorry it should be ^^ he is wrong not ^

and on a side note, Unreal Engine is being ported to Wii for its ease of use e.g. unreal scripting language, and that animation system (not euphoria) Most probably not it's physics (PhysX gross) on top of that Wii can make good graphics, I estimate Halo 2 cutscenes in real time, maybe more, I haven't seen Factor 5s attempt on the system yet. dude 3mb texture chache alot sure Xbxo got 12 Mb but with better texture artists you can do alot more for alot less, on top of that, Wii is capable at something like 1 mil polys per frame at 60 fps 2 mil at 30fps (dah) that's alot game models take up something around the area of 7k for the bigger machines, (M fenix, was this much but he had alot of bump maping I think it was like a 2048x2048 texture just for his bodys bump map or was it a normal map I should check it) and yeah Wii can do great graphics at the level of Halo 2 cutscenes now add in the head tracking and a Zapper, and Unreal graphics don't look so good. (I own Gears and I'm a graphics artist so I think I knows what I'm talking about).

You might know what you're talking about Schmobu, but without any sight of a period in your post, it's impossible for the rest of us!

My grammar isn't perfect, I know, but please try to make things a little more readable!

...and our next space-marines-fighting-aliens FPS will be TOO REVOLUTIONARY to play on the Wii!

Yeah, and your minigame and PS2 port machine is too revolutionary to play space marine games!

Hell yea bro, this is why i love Epic. No CoD reused gameplay with a totally scripted and static environment, horrible AI, and pathetic voice acting that is watered down for its T rating to sell more copies. THEY ARE NOT SELL OUTS! They make gritty games like UT and Gears, with no holds barred. Full dismemberment, sick physics, characters who tell it like it is, and no dumbed down childish crap. Let Nintendo handle the weaksauce Wii with a 700mhz PPC CPU. Epic, keep up the great work and you'll get your dues. I cant wait to play Gears of War 2.

Are you seriously suggesting that only FPS games use UNREAL tech? How many more companies need to license the tech before that lie goes away?

That's the whole point. In my opinion he's just trying to make Wii owners feel bad about owning only a Wii and get them to buy a system he codes for. He's provoking an emotional response because logically he's a moron.

I've never had a period greater than 2 weeks where I haven't had a new game to play on my Wii that I actually like. There have been plenty of stinkers sure, but that goes with the popularity and ease of ps2 porting. I like my Wii and will continue to like it after I get SSBB this week and The Force Unleashed when it comes out.

But if he was worried about selling games "on a machine he codes for", surely it would be easier for him to code for the Wii than to try and convert a few million gamers?

I think he genuinely just doesn't like the Wii. It DOES have some top-notch games - it's just a shame Nintendo are the only devs who seem to know how to use the system properly. Perhaps it's to do with that darned tie-in ratio.

The thing is even he owns one. I read the joystiq post then the article and the post makes it sound way worse than what he says. All he does is compliment Nintendo and say that making games on the Wii isn't for them. Big deal.

Newsflash: Bleeding edge tech company is... bleeding edge tech company!

He dislikes the Wii because it isn't the kind of system that he wants to develop for. To use the ever-popular car analogy, a company that "tricks out" sports cars with spoilers and nitrous is not going to be a fan of sports utility vehicles.

If Epic were like those companies, they would work exclusively on the Wii. Tricked out cars are rarely any good under the hood. Civics are not performance vehicles.

OK, so they make custom-built engines for sports cars...?

Bah, forget it. Car analogies are dumb! Epic is a great company that produces great games, but expecting them to make games for the Wii would be like expecting Walmart to start stocking caviar and expensive leather furniture.

Darn it... I just can't get away from analogies!

You guys got me all wrong. I expect people to get uber defensive again. From Epics standpoint, there is really no money in Wii. Hell, you could easily blow through half the Wii's ram just from generating a medium sized maps lighting maps. For UE3, this is a definately a step backwards with no reason to attempt it. Especially considering they already started ripping away on Unreal Engine 4.

@LaughingTarget:

But...but what about VTEC? :)

TOO SOON

Alright, the Wii may be shitty and all, but Twilight Princess was an excellent game. There is no argument that could prove otherwise.

Not that I regret trading my Wii for a 360, mind you. Best Decision Evar.

I bought a Wii, then bought a 360. Not about to get of the Wii. Don't think that was the smartest thing...

I'm sorry but, I bought into the hype too a couple of months back. I bought mario Galaxy and I realized that crap was not for me. I sold my Wii in 2 days. I feel that was the best Decision I have ever made. I would have never had any fun with that system. It just isnt made for me. I mean, Honestly if you want to play Wii games just buy a game cube and play that cheaper. The graphics are exactly the same. So is the game play, of course with the exception of the waggle.

I totally agree with Mike capps. Developing for the wii is like going back in time 10 years.

dsub

Then why we never see all the shovelware on the charts? And if people just play the Wii for two months, why it sells a lot of software every week, almost the double than Sony?

Fernando, go read the other articlae posted earlier, it will interest you :)

I think you misread what he said fernando. Hes implying that the wii is played for 2 months and then abandoned, only to be played for the next 2 months by somebody new. His point is that soon (maybe another year or so), the new people will run out, and the wii will plummet faster then the gamecubes 3rd year sales.

Hes basically comparing the wii and its user base to that of a pyramid scheme. Plentiful in the start of its life cycle, a trainwreck down the road.

Personally I agree with him. I know a couple friends who bought a wii at launch and one doesnt play it while the other sold his. Also, I have another friend just buying a wii now. I predict in a year he will be selling/done with his wii, just like the epic president is predicting, which is why he does not want to develop for the wii.

Its a horse racing on its last leg
A steam engine running out of steam
A about to run out of fuel
A Rock being slow eroded by the wind
A Hurricane ready to end
A fish on a hook about to escape
like Pogs in the mid 90s

Ok im done with the whole post of analogies now

I have to disagree with you. I once thought the same way, but then I started working in gaming retail, and started noticing the vast difference in the types of games that get released.

90% of the crap that gets released on the Wii is shovelware garbage, yet these so called "casual gamers" line up by the millions to buy Wii's week in and week out, for reasons just like those stated by Capps. Everytime I sell a Wii to someone it's because "I swore I'd never play video games, but we were over at a so and so's house and we played bowling. It was a blast!" Two weeks later, the same people are back in buying the latest Mini-game comp. to come out for the Wii, and they are talking about how bored of bowling they are.

Here is where the Wii will hurt gaming. Most of these people are better-off middle class parents (mostly the soccer mom types) who will buy whatever Oprah tells them to. They are an entirely new demographic in the gaming industry. Companies are already beginning to notice. Now, if I worked for a company like EA, why would I waste millions of dollars in resources on a huge, detailed game for hardcore gamers that has a 75% chance of being a flop, when I could spend the same amount of money developing quick once-over mini game compilations, trivia games and puzzle games, that may not sell as well, but will be much more profitable do to the extreme lack of talent and costs to create such games.

The next thing you know, games like Bioshock will be a thing of the past, and the walls of gamestop will be full of the latest iteration of "Wii (insert random activity that can be done in real life with ease here)"

I mean seriously. If I want to play tennis, there are courts a mile from my house, I can buy a used racket and some balls for less than $10, and I'll get 100 times more exercise. I'm calling it now. The Wii will be the official "must have item" for soccer moms nation wide the second Wii Fit is on Oprah starring some woman who lost 20 pounds by using it.

Nevermind the fact that the dumb bitch could have lost 40 by going jogging everyday.

I hate the Wii.

I'm right there with you, my only concern would be that if those super casual games do TOO well, especially given that many of them are poorly reviewed garbage games, developers might start shifting their focus in that direction for the easy dime.

It's the same thing we've seen transform prime-time television as great, deep, expensive shows constantly get canceled in favor of cheap easy to make gameshows that get as good or better ratings because they appeal to the casual audience.

So long as that doesn't happen to videogames and companies that have always catered to the hardcore crowd like Epic continue to do so rather than just cashing in for the quick buck then I have no problems with everyone getting a chance to get their type of game.

dsub

Then why we never see all the shovelware on the charts? And if people just play the Wii for two months, why it sells a lot of software every week, almost the double than Sony?

You can do what I'm doing. I used to hate these idiot casuals who buy wiis, but now that they're going to buy the ones I buy for double the price I've learned to appreciate these casuals a little more.

The best way to feel better about human idiocy in any situation is to find a way to take advantage of it.

I wouldn't quite make that claim that only those who play the PS3 and 360 are hardcore. Hardcore can also be something like extensive knowledge of games past and present--something of which I possess. The only reason I don't own a 360 or PS3 is for lack of funds.

Once again the argument comes back to this. It's not like the market for meaty games is going to evaporate

Wii's success threatens no gamers. None whatsoever

@Fernando

"Then why we never see all the shovelware on the charts?"

Wii Play, Mario Party 8, Carnival Games, and Mario & Sonic all tore up the charts in most countries...

Those games are not shovelware (maybe Carnival Games)...

Shovelware titles are Ninjabread Man type games, almost every Data Design Interactives games, or UFO games, or BOLD games, like M&M Racing and those crappy games.

The games you mentioned are minigames, but not shovelware... besides, hardcore games are higer in the charts, like Mario Kart, SSBB, Mario Galaxy, Guitar Hero, Metroid...

"The next thing you know, games like Bioshock will be a thing of the past, and the walls of gamestop will be full of the latest iteration of "Wii (insert random activity that can be done in real life with ease here)"

dsub, arguments like this that the Wii will somehow 'hurt' gaming are always so, so, so asinine. You wrote the above, but if you believe it you're a complete ass hat.

@Fernando

According to your beloved vgchartz the order of the games we both mentioned sorted by sales in descending order is:

1. Wii Play
2. SMG
3. Mario Party 8
4. SSBB
6. Mario & Sonic
7. Guitar Hero
8. Carnival Games
9. Metroid
10. Mario Kart

Those minigame shitfests have sold on par or better than most of Nintendo's big guns so...

Also if those ain't shovelware then what are they? They sure as hell don't require the same amount of developer work and publisher investment as something like SMG or Metroid.

Thanks for the intelligent comment. It's really interesting to see people like my mom and dad playing my Wii (wow does that sound odd). I get to spend time with them on something I would normally do alone, and they have fun.
The Epic engine won't run on the Wii, big deal. America is home of capitalism, I'm sure someone will make an engine that looks great and runs on the Wii. Then we can see what Epic can do with limited resources.

Phil

That list should only go till 9..I missed a number.