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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:21PM (Unverified) said

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The bigger question is whether the FTC even sees this industry by genres, since that designation is incredibly vague. I don't think there would be as much discussion if this merger gave EA a monopoly on "action" titles, but since "sports" is the most clear-cut market segment, it's much easier to shout that this creates a monopoly. The FTC will see that there is still suitable competition in the video game industry as a whole, and will approve the merger.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:25PM Rususeruru said

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That's a valid point.

Nice article as well.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:09PM R V said

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Yes, I believe that if they would have thought this was monopolistic, they would have to believe ea's exclusivity of the nfl was. I find it unlikely it the FTC will find it monopolistic. However, it may feel monopolistic to consumers who don't own a ps3(due to the show brands)
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:39PM (Unverified) said

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How much did ea pay you, mark....?


THIRD POST!
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:43PM (Unverified) said

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never saw that comparison sign before =/=
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 12:26AM Cameage said

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That's because it's wrong. It should be !=

=/= is what you do if you are nerdy enough to remember from math that an equal with a slash in it means "does not equal," but aren't nerdy enough to have ever taken a programming course.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 1:09AM HeyApples said

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Thank god... I thought I was the only one who was annoyed by that stupid notation.

It would be like me using a "$" to denote Euros or something... ie: completely inaccurate.
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Posted: Apr 29th 2008 12:12PM demauk said

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Mark is a lawyer, not a computer scientist. Give him a break.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:45PM JCDoe said

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Why does everyone insist EA has a monopoly on football because of their NFL deal? If someone else would simply make a better product, then people would probably buy that instead.

The 'monopoly' thing is just an excuse. T2 could compete if they put some effort into it.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:24PM (Unverified) said

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Thats the problem with an exclusive deal...it makes it IMPOSSIBLE for other people to work on that product. Which is why EA went about making that deal with the NFL so that we would end up stuck with their crap instead of the obviously effective 2K series
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 12:01AM JCDoe said

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You missed the point enigma. The nfl doesn't own the sport of football, they just own . . . the NFL. T2 can make a football game, their only limitation is they can't use the names of players or teams from the NFL.

There is no reason T2 can't compete.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:45PM (Unverified) said

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Forreal, I wrote that without reading above. But now that I HAVE read it, I REALLY want to know how much ea paid you!!!

"It's even possible sports games enthusiasts will find themselves with better options than they have now."

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?! -You got the nerve to say that! Better from who, EA??

They should just change theirname to EAT

Electronic
Arts
Takeover

Because thats all they do....
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:32PM Sora said

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The acronym fits, too, because they take over the companies by EATing them.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 10:52PM (Unverified) said

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Things are funnier when you explain them, Sora.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 8:53PM DBuckEye said

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If there is one thing that I have learned in my years, it is the "ignorant," "embolden," and "digress" are words stupid people use to try and sound smart. Not saying anything in particular, just observing.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:05PM Knight Marquise said

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Hmm, I guess Mr. Methenitis owns stock in EA.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:10PM Gwr said

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I really hope EA buys T2 and gets pwnd for monopoly or something like that.
Im sick of it and everthing it represents ,has and does.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 9:27PM (Unverified) said

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True that my friend, true that.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 11:13PM (Unverified) said

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First off you have to be an idiot if you don't think one of the first things EA will do with 2K's baseball license is ruin baseball games. They'll pay enough to get the exclusive license from MLB and the NBA, and then the only sports games being produced are all EA. Let's face facts before 2K acquired the 3rd party MLB exclusive license the 2K games were FAR BETTER, and until recently so were the 2K hockey games until this past year.

NBA is the same way, EA will sign an exclusive license with them as well and then ruin their competition. I just can't see how you can't see that's going to happen. In fact, I'd bet the first announcement made after the acquisition is done, is the laying off of staff that is working on the current 2K sports games.

See it seems to me that the EA philosophy is that if you can't beat them, buy them. That's why they went after the NFL so hot and heavy, they didn't want the competition, 2K, to beat them, and they were, so buy the license and force 2K out of the business of football. They didn't do that to better their game, in fact for at least two years in a row, there were no significant advances in the EA game.

With competition comes better games, better pricing and all around better gaming.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2008 11:27PM (Unverified) said

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Justin Blankenship at N'Gai Croal's levelup (who actually worked at the FTC) gives a much better analysis of the situation than Mark Methenitis. Check out the article in the link below if you want a more complete and thorough understanding of the issues and reasons why the FTC made a "second request".

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2008/04/23/law-and-short-of-it-another-hard-look-at-ea-take-two.aspx
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 10:30AM mrlogical said

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Definitely a much better article you link to there, this one basically reads like highlights from a wikipedia entry. The key issue is the relevant product market definition. When looking at whether EA's behavior tends to create a monopoly, the key question would be what market EA is alleged to be monopolizing--"NFL videogames" or "sports videogames" or "videogames." Odds would be pretty strong that courts and the FTC would view videogames in general as a market--especially to a bunch of old dudes with little interest in videogames, it would be hard to believe that if Madden were suddenly $150 (or $60 but with no features) that kids wouldn't just buy Halo instead and that competition alone would suffice to keep the market in check. At least, that's what my law degree from Georgetown and my A- in antitrust tells me ;) Come on Texas Tech grad, step it up!
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 2:20PM (Unverified) said

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@mrlogical: First of all, thanks for your kind comments about my piece. I certainly agree that if Madden were suddenly $150, kids would switch to Halo. But the language of the Merger Guidelines asks what consumers would do in response to a "small but significant nontransigent increase in price" (referred to as the SSNIP test in antitrust law). In practice, that translates into a 5-10% increase. So the question isn't what would consumers do if a sports game is $150, it's what would they do if it's $65-70? That's a tougher question, and it usually leads to much narrower definitions of product market than people expect. And if EA has the power to get away with $65, then they also have the power to maintain prices at higher levels for a longer period of time than they would have in the face of head-to-head competition.

If the FTC wasn't at least considering sports games as its own product market (and maybe even narrower in individual sports), you wouldn't have seen a second request here.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 1:07AM Nguyen said

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Ahh.. let loose the cries of the unimaginative. While I did agree with the previous article on this subject (http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/22/the-political-game-one-vote-against-an-ea-take-two-takeover/), I do see what Mark is saying. And the problem lies in people's imagination. So what if EA has the exclusive rights to the NFL? Like jcd said above, if someone made a better football game without using any NFL names or players, then theoretically that would create some great competition. However! Don't even think to deny how sports driven and sports crazed people are. Every country in this world worship sports next to (or sometimes above) whatever God they praise. So it's very unlikely that they would be willing to pick up a game where they can't control the players and the teams that they adore in real life.

It would be a great thing to see some new sports games that do not try to resemble any real life leagues. There are in fact many games that have done so, but the problem is: they did not strive for realism. Take any of those "street" version of football and basketball games. They can be fun to play and most of them have completely fictional players, but it would be nice if you take those players and give them the same rules and regulations as the NFL or the NBA games.

Sorry for the rant, but I get upset over the religion of sports I see in our society. Seriously, be imaginative, they're video games, not life; play with some friggin' fictional sport stars once in a while!

Also, did you know they actually made the quidditch game? http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/ps2/harry_potter_qui
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 2:23AM (Unverified) said

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You're being incredibly myopic because, like everyone else, you think the sports game market is just football.

Yeah, EA has always dominated football, even when 2K made better games, but NBA 2kWHATEVER is the signature basketball game and by far the obvious best basketball game on the market, as it has been for nearly ten years now.

EA buying them up and forcing everyone to play the turd sandwich that is NBA Live is going to significantly screw over a sports market already near-death because of the Madden-exclusivity deal.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 3:51AM (Unverified) said

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"It seems impossible for any sports game developer to compete, at least in football games." Take Two has an exclusive with MLB so any acquisition would make football and baseball non-competitive.

"Other companies are still free to pursue sports games to the extent they can dodge the exclusive license agreement barrier." When one lists the most popular and profitable sports it consists of 1. football 2. baseball and in a distant 3rd and 4th basketball and hockey respectively. The better half of that list will be all one company. EA needs to improve it's current assets, not acquire more assets, specifically Take Two who happens to be their only other sports game competition.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 5:04AM (Unverified) said

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To all the people commenting:
For the takeover it does not matter if EA makes better or worse games. Gamers would prefer T2 to be independent but our liking doesn't matter for investors or the law.

The 'effective' monopoly with an exclusive license doesn't hold either as Konami has shown us for Soccer (which is much more popular than American football & Basketball combined in most parts of the world) games. So it is hard to legally object.

That said, it seems that EA isn't as successful as they hoped. So lets hope for a survival of the 'smaller' publishers. Neither of us wants to end up in a world with just Ubisoft and EA ...
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 9:32AM LaughingTarget said

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I agree that this merger wouldn't create anti-competitive environment. The concept of a monopoly needs to meet certain criteria, typically creating systems that destroy healthy competitive forces.

However, trademarks are legal monopolies. The NFL has a monopoly over NFL logos. The FTC can't show up at the NFL headquarters and demand that other leagues be able to use the name. As their trademark, the NFL has full rights to control how it is used, and if they only want the Madden property to use it, that falls under their power. No other game developers have the right to use the property. The NFL (or any other sports for that matter) is not a public domain property.

The same goes for player unions. Players are under no obligation to allow use of their likeness for commercial purposes. You have a legal monopoly over your own name and appearance. The NFLPA serves as a simplified unit for things like lisencing shirts or video game likenesses. Player associations are not compulsory either, which is why Michael Jordan is notably absent from NBA Lam games because he wae not a member of the union. Games branded with Jordan's likeness are no more monopolistic than Madden is.

Football is a game no one owns. The NFL is a brand. A T2 merger would create no monopoly as the NFL is only a competitive advantage.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 11:30AM (Unverified) said

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Isn't EA releasing a MONOPOLY game later this year? somethings fisheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 2:18PM (Unverified) said

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As an ex-FTC guy, there's a few points I'd like to make on this: (1) It's the Clayton Act that regulates anticompetitive mergers, specifically section 7, not the Sherman Act. The distinction is important because the Clayton Act gives the government broader regulatory powers. More importantly, it allows the FTC to block a merger that results in a "substantial lessening of competition." It doesn't have to be a full-fledged monopoly. (2) A "second request" like the one issued to EA is not part of a routine investigation. A second request for more information is rare and only goes out when the staff attorneys/economists have already found significant competitive concerns with a given merger.

If you're really interested in the nuts & bolts of how the FTC looks at these things, I wrote a long piece on it at N'Gai Croal's blog yesterday that someone linked to above. With all due respect to Mr. Methenitis, if I were still at the FTC, my analysis would have tracked a lot closer to Dennis McCauley's piece.

Because I'm no longer at the FTC, my comments are still speculation, but it gave me kind of a rare expertise in an esoteric area of law. If anyone has burning questions for me about this story, I'll try to answer comments here or at Level Up.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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With all due respect to your former employment with the FTC, you've missed the point of the piece entirely.

First, while mergers are controlled under Clayton and HSR, they are also regulated under Section 1 of the Sherman Act. I cite the Sherman act as it is the first in the series, and I was not trying to over-complicate the analysis based on citing every possible regulation. This is arguably a "contract, combination or conspiracy in restraint of trade" and therefore the analysis traces through all the acts.

Second, EA owns a legal right to exclusively produce games based on the NFL. As much as anyone wants to argue this leaves the market open to competition, the fact of the matter is Madden will be the only major football game on the market regardless of whether they acquire Take-Two or not, at least until they opt to let the license expire, which seems relatively improbable. Why? Simply, the NFL is the reason. People want to play games based on the real athletes they watch on TV. There is no "next best alternative" to NFL fans. Unless there is a move to invalidate basic intellectual property law on the basis that it is "anticompetitive" (which is unprecedented and would negate the concept of intellectual property to a large extent), then no amount of competition in the marketplace will make a dent in the EA NFL monolith.

Looking at the totality of the circumstances, 2K has also opted not to compete with EA. Football is the highest selling of the sports games. EA does not have any exclusive rights to the NCAA football series (that I'm aware of) and 2K has opted not to use their 2K engine to compete with EA at that level.

The sports game market is, to some extent, in need of additional entrants and new thinking. Consolidation of 2K and EA won't change what is, but may make the market more appealing to a new entrant. If you're a studio looking to greenlight a project, you may see a bigger potential upside to making a basketball game with EA as the only competition versus making a new FPS with dozens of top quality competing games. A lot of this is based on the economic theory of the game industry which, as I stated, could be subject of its own article.

Perhaps I take more the Alan Greenspan approach to economics and anti-trust (whom I linked because his piece is an excellent read), but this merger is being played up to a level far beyond its practical implications. And for the record, no, I do not own stock in EA or Take-Two, nor have I been paid for this opinion.

While I can understand where you and Dennis are coming from on the theoretical side, I disagree on the actual impact, which is a more economic argument than it is an anti-trust one.
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Posted: Apr 24th 2008 9:03PM (Unverified) said

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I'm not trying to be hypertechnical about the statutes involved here. While you're technically right that Sherman Section 1 may govern as well, it's only going to arise if there's a private cause of action. Section 7 of the Clayton Act gives the government broader enforcement powers, so it's simply the only statute that comes into play in FTC merger review. More importantly, Section 7 analysis relies on the Joint DOJ/FTC Merger Guidelines, which is what guides the actual analysis.

There's clearly no competition now in professionally licensed football games due to EA's exclusive. And although Madden is the sexiest product in the sports lineup and it's what everyone wants to talk about, the FTC isn't looking at this deal because of Madden. Nothing about the combination of EA and Take Two affects the NFL exclusive with EA, so it's off the table. You're absolutely right that there's nothing illegal or anticompetitive about the NFL leveraging its intellectual property through an exclusive license--whether or not it's good for consumers.

The FTC's second request is likely about two things (1) the EA/Take Two overlaps in NBA basketball, NCAA basketball, and NHL hockey (as discussed by Mr. McCauley in his column http://www.joystiq.com/2008/04/22/the-political-game-one-vote-against-an-ea-take-two-takeover/); and (2) whether the overall size of EA's sports portfolio after acquiring Take Two would allow it to unfairly exercise market power to the detriment of consumers. The areas of direct overlap are the biggest key here however.

With regards to your general opinions on antitrust, I didn't miss the point of the piece. My main reason for popping in was to point out that a second request isn't routine, which is an admittedly esoteric point of administrative procedure at the FTC that only those who worked in government merger review are likely to know. It just seemed tacky to take issue with the opinion portions in this forum when my piece is out there. But maybe a little back and forth will be beneficial for your readers?

Your point that a new entrant could defeat EA's position where they're not precluded by exclusive licenses is a good one. I'll only add that the merger guidelines judge entry on three factors: (1) likelihood, (2) timeliness, and (3) sufficiency. In my own opinion, EA's stable of exclusive licenses makes it very difficult for a new entrant to compete in a timely or sufficient manner because they can only compete in limited genres without the economies of scale that EA will now enjoy. But there's certainly room for reasonable minds to disagree on that point, and that's one that EA will certainly push hard before the Commission.

Regarding Alan Greenspan's comments on antitrust, I would only add that I believe his views were incorporated into what became known as the "Chicago School" of thought regarding antitrust, which was very popular in the 80s. In general, the "Chicago School" gives greater weight to economies of scale/synergies and is more likely to give the market the benefit of the doubt in resolving anticompetitve concerns.

The 90s saw the rise of a post-Chicago School of thought in response to the belief that antitrust had gone too far and allowed too much consolidation to the detriment of consumers. The post-Chicago School believed that although mergers can absolutely provide real synergies, they don't represent an economic benefit to society if they don't trickle down to consumers. Mr. Greenspan would likely argue that the post-Chicago School of thought swung too far back the other direction, and of course the Microsoft trial brought a lot of these philosophical differences to the forefront.

While I'm sure an EA/Take Two combination would result in synergies for the new company, my own post-Chicago School perspective is skeptical that any of those synergies will benefit consumers. As Mr. McCauley pointed out, Madden jumped from $29 to $49 in its first year as an exclusive. I don't see the loss of competition across other sports games as a benefit to consumers.

But I sincerely hope you're right and that new entry can be the silver bullet that saves competition. I just see those exclusive licenses as a huge barrier.
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