New Metal Gear Solid 4 trailer implies suicide, again
by James Ransom-Wiley 
{ Apr 24th 2008 at 1:55PM }
We can sense something epic is brewing here ... we're just not exactly sure what. So, anyone catch a glimpse of that so-called "child trauma" that may be pushing Snake (that is Snake, right?) to keep shoving a gun barrel in his mouth?
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FrankTheCrank @ Apr 24th 2008 2:03PM
Dude, Snake's got issues.
Just for the record, I was born on 01-01-1901
Rocketboy @ Apr 24th 2008 2:59PM
How cool. We share the same birthday/year!
Wesley Burchnall @ Apr 24th 2008 5:51PM
No no, its all just a lead-up to an action sequence...
Fight before he pulls the trigger...he hears...'MMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO' and a giant cow-like robot on two legs starts to attack him! and he defends the world from...wait a sec. I was trying to make a joke-insult. There really are cow-monsters on two legs the try to attack snake aren't there?
*Sigh* nevermind. I'll think if another smart-ass comment.
ballistic3188 @ Apr 24th 2008 2:04PM
no no he is not committing suicide. he is using an evoker to unleash his super powers.
TheOverlord#2 SPEAKS: YOU READ IT NOW(Brawl: 1461-5875-9923) @ Apr 24th 2008 3:14PM
Soild Snake in Shin Megami Tensei Persona 4?
ballistic @ Apr 24th 2008 3:28PM
you didn't think that FES meant festival did you?
what it really means is featuring exclusively Snake.
THE WICKER MAN (BWF) (GT: Dalek Prime) @ Apr 24th 2008 2:04PM
Christ thats hard to watch sometimes. Had a dear friend kill himself awhile ago with a pistol and its tough to see that imagery. On a lighter note maybe solid snake will die, but he could just become Big Boss.
Ninjakamster @ Apr 24th 2008 2:09PM
That has to be horrible, so far I have not had a loved one pass away, of course that time will come one day. Death by suicide especially must be painful since you feel that you could have stopped it. I'm sorry for your loss and I can relate somewhat because I actually suffer from depression myself and have thought about suicide. Its too bad none of my loved ones can relate and do not understand and tell me just to "snap out of it".
Anyhoo.............sorry about that irrelavant stuff.
el serpiente @ Apr 24th 2008 2:13PM
Don't be a dick tranny. You shouldn't make light of something like that.
My condolences Wicker.
predatorian234 @ Apr 24th 2008 2:14PM
@ Ninja.
They tell you to "snap out of it" because its the only option you really have. Trust me, take it from someone who has depression problems as well. Medication sucked, therapy was useless, nothing worked. The only thing that got me out of it, was to "snap out of it".
It's really the best advice they can give.
THE WICKER MAN (BWF) (GT: Dalek Prime) @ Apr 24th 2008 2:15PM
Its rough but, you should always know you can get help. Its weird to think how this wouldnt have affected me in such a way a few years ago, but it also adds to the power of the scene. Im not offended it just takes on a different meaning.
Jerk Face @ Apr 24th 2008 2:22PM
@predatorian
Yeah, I agree with you on that. It's the only thing that worked for me as well. Sometimes you just have to tell yourself to cut the crap and feel better! Make a couple little changes in your life to help yourself and just go on with it.
Binando @ Apr 24th 2008 2:27PM
If your buddy shot himself in his face then too bad for him. You shouldn't even care at all because apparently he didn't give a rats behind about you or anyone else. Who ever kills themselves are better off that way and should be laughed at on a daily basis just to keep that sad excuse of a human memory alive. Bring it up at the bar, "remember when that POS shot himself? What a douche! Har Har Har." No but on a serious note, if it really had an affect on you, thats sad. Screw him, better off dead.
Ninjakamster @ Apr 24th 2008 2:33PM
Well obviously you've never been depressed Binando. It really can have a profound effect on you.
Before I got it, I felt the same as you, had little to no sympathy for those that committed suicide.
But depression can really cloud your way of thinking, make you think things you never would when your not depressed.
You just wouldn't understand so just STFU okay?
el serpiente @ Apr 24th 2008 2:36PM
Binando, life is never as simple as you seem to think it is. You seem to be young. Look back at this in 10 years and see if you still feel the same way.
DWells55 @ Apr 24th 2008 3:09PM
Binando, don't be a prick. Suicide is a tragic thing and it's completely unfair to blame people for it and say they deserved it. Depression is a real medical condition and something that's extremely hard to fight. It's not fun feeling completely helpless and alone despite wanting to feel better. It's not the same as the drama-queen "hey, everyone pity me" emo trash that pop media loves to embrace. It's a real psychological condition.
Don't be so short-sighted and insensitive. Suicide also has a strong impact on the friends, family, and even causal acquaintances of the deceased. So don't think that just because you haven't had to deal with it that it's no big deal.
Binando @ Apr 24th 2008 3:20PM
Three people I knew committed suicide. Mind you I wasn't friends but the How are you would come out every time we passed and so on. Also my whole family, this includes extended and all, consists of 5 people. So death isn't something that is a rare occasion where I come from. And honestly when those kids killed themselves I had a good chuckle. Mainly because they all had songs on repeat and just tried in humorous ways. Well not tried, but did. Someone who kills themselves are a complete waste of time and life. And they knew it and ended it. Think of the giant FU it gave to the families and friends. Parents spent hundreds of thousands on them, poured their heart and soul into them, and the kid turns around and kills themselves. Why? Because they are depressed? Thats a joke. How hard is it if you know you are depressed to go see a shrink? Whats that take a 5 minute phone call? What about friends? They are there to help too. Nope, FU. See that shrink and put the bill on your state, get the meds and go about your life. No, to high and mighty to do that, but not enough to give a crap about your own family and friends. Taking your own life shows how big of a POS you really were and no one should miss you for it. My best friend could kill himself tomorrow and I'd still hold the same opinion. It may be hard headed but its who I am, I'm not going to change the way I feel about something when it happens to me. Thats just weak character.
John Z @ Apr 24th 2008 3:27PM
Dude, having to see this all the time has really gotta suck for you. I feel your pain, man.
But comfort yourself with the fact that this is a Kojima trailer, and therefore it's entirely possible-- likely, even-- that this won't be part of the final game at all.
(Related: forcing the player to pull the trigger, a la the end of The Boss fight in MGS3, would be the single most horrifying act in all of video gaming. So it's probably going to happen.)
Ameen @ Apr 24th 2008 3:37PM
as Binando said,
Suicide is for people of weak heart and who act on impulse.. I've been soo down in shit, and even though i hate Suicide, the thought *did* cross my mind.. But, then again I just thought of my parents, friends and family.. Would I leave them just for some stupid reason?
Hell no.. I would never do that..
But this does make sense in this game - What does Snake have?? Does he have a family? Does he love so ddeply so that she can become a reason for him to stay alive? AFAIK, Snake is this man, who just cant get love.. So, why the fuck would he stay alive? Just to serve stupid missions again and again for the government? Hell no, he would'nt.. So, he's like fuck ya all! - See ya in Hell! *BHOOOF*
Ameen @ Apr 24th 2008 3:41PM
Fuck! looks like I made a few typos.. SO, here goes -
Supposed to be "Does he love someone so deeply that she can become a reason for him to survive?"
LaughingMan @ Apr 24th 2008 3:52PM
Binado. Depression is a serious matter, and it's never as easy as Step 1 : go see a doc, Step 2 : get better, Step 3 : get on with your life.
For people who really have depression, and are suicidal, but are recovering, every day is a struggle. It's not a quick 123 thing to fix it.
Furthermore, you say "how hard is it to know you're depressed and go see a shrink." For a lot of people, they don't realize their depressed until it's too late, and they're no longer in control.
If you've never been through it yourself, you'd never understand.
If you truly have such hate in your heart that you don't pity those who have ended their own lives, but REVERE in their passing as garbage lives and laugh at them, you have your own problems. Seriously, get help, or grow up.
ThePremierAssassin @ Apr 24th 2008 5:19PM
Suicide = Weak Losers
Enuff said...if you can't handle the heat then thats your problem.
Nithron @ Apr 24th 2008 5:37PM
LaughingMan put it as clearly as i ever could, and with a lot less profanities than I was going to use. "Seeing a shrink" is not some kind of universal cure for everyone with depression, it quite often doesn't work. Taking meds has the same problem, plus the added risk of side effects.
I know a lot of you people think you've been "depressed", but you've been depressed in the emotional sense. You were a bit down. You did not have a mental illness that makes every single day and every single task within that day a continuous struggle, you have not had to deal with crippling fatigue, headaches, insomnia, changes in appetite, loss of immune system function, and any other of the many symptoms of actual clincal depression.
Until you have, Binando, refrain from making such ill-informed posts which could actually make people suffering from a real illness even worse.
el serpiente @ Apr 24th 2008 8:43PM
PremiereAss, as if your comments on videogames are not enough of a virtuoso display of stupidity, now he have your ignorant ass comments on suicide.
You are a child. You know nothing about the world. This is obvious from the things you say.
Jared @ Apr 24th 2008 2:12PM
I need this translated. Looks amazing and I so cannot wait for this game.
el serpiente @ Apr 24th 2008 2:12PM
OMG, video games should never deal with real things that happen in real life!!!111 All violence should be depicted through turtle shells and fireballs!
Why is this such a big deal? God forbid games should develop into a mature and sophisticated art like cinema. At least people like Kojima are trying to portray the possible consequences of a life of violence and not overly sterilize it.
By the way, holy shit do these trailers get me pumped.
kbomb1upc @ Apr 24th 2008 4:15PM
@el serpiente
That's a really good point... But the answer is mainstream still looks at video games as being child toys. Look at the whole debacle with Mass Effect. If video games were viewed differently that would have never made the news. But people that didn't grow up in the Age of video games have no concept of them except that their children play them.
Video games are more mature now then ever. You couldn't even try to depict this kind of imagery on a Nintendo or Sega. But since technology has been growing the line between video games and real life has become entirely close. My Aunte came over my house two weeks ago and watch me play NBA 2K8 for 5 mins and thought it was real until I pressed start.
And the Metal Gear Solid series has always been more of a movie than a game video to me (you know with the 45 min cutsense and all)
darkpen @ Apr 24th 2008 2:14PM
>_>
The childhood trauma is most likely referring to either Otacon, one of the beasts, or Sunny. If its Sunny, I doubt it's "child rape," either.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Zeon Defense Force) @ Apr 24th 2008 2:19PM
maybe it involves the chimp. Could happen. Young girl in battle field gets first period, chimp smells the menstruel fluid and gets all sex nuts and retard strong...
SinHarvest @ Apr 24th 2008 2:37PM
Wow best comment ever fidlous XD. I saw the monkey in the trailer too and i was like wtf.
schuyler @ Apr 24th 2008 3:00PM
yeah when I read about the child rape thing it made me think about otacon child rape thing in MGS2
MJ @ Apr 24th 2008 3:11PM
Otacon rape thing? He had an affair with his fathers wife (his step-mother), his dad found out and drowned himself (whilst Emma was with him, hence Emmas fear of water) he does say she seduced him, but also in the game says that he kept in touch with her when they moved to England.
So doubt it's that, that part of the story was pretty much dealt with in MGS2.
dbellinger @ Apr 24th 2008 2:15PM
Doesn't look like snake to me...
MJ @ Apr 24th 2008 2:15PM
And Kojima isn't happy with that?! Looks pretty good to me.
Really hope that the scene at the end isn't a scene FROM the end, after nearly everything got spoilt in the MGS3 trailers I hope they haven't done it again.
dabamf @ Apr 24th 2008 2:16PM
Snake is cool.
Snake killed himself.
I want to be cool.
Goodbye.
MJ @ Apr 24th 2008 2:16PM
The 'child trauma' is probably Sunny being dressed up like something out of the Sound of Music.
vidGuy @ Apr 24th 2008 2:17PM
I'm not sure what the big deal is... the tones of 'child rape' and suicide are serious matters, but doesn't everyone know that art imitates life? It'd be hard for anyone to deny that this game should qualify as art, and we see countless suicides in our movies for the very same reasons implied here, guilt mostly.
This is content aimed at adults and I think it should therefore be allowed to delve into adult topics such as this. It makes for a very powerful story, I'm sure.
Ninjakamster @ Apr 24th 2008 2:17PM
A PS3 is a big reason my little bro wants me to buy it instead of the 360. He's been playing the MGS Essential Collection to catch up again before MGS4 comes out.
In fact, he wants to split the cost of the PS3 with me so thats one reason for me to get a PS3 instead of 360 next month : )
But I still like the 360 and would get it in a heartbeat if I had more money and time to dedicate to gaming, the latter decreasing day by day. : (
Also he wants to play the next game from Team ICO, loved Shadow of the Colossus.
Ninjakamster @ Apr 24th 2008 2:18PM
Damn, can't edit your comments, I meant MGS4 is a big reason my bro wants a PS3.
Its ridiculous to buy a console because of one game of course but there's way more nice things that warrant my purchase of it.
My bro actually bought and returned a Gamecube just to play Twin Snakes. : D
baby sea tuna @ Apr 24th 2008 2:32PM
It plays the blu-rayz too, if you like watching hi-def movies (personally, I can't go back to SD) and has a couple of pretty decent games on PSN. I say wait for the MGS 80 gig package, unless you plan on keeping that PS2 hooked up.
Ninjakamster @ Apr 24th 2008 2:34PM
I would like to play some of my PS1/PS2 games with the wireless controller. I loved Skygunner on the PS2, too bad it was a great game nobody cared about. : (
Martez @ Apr 24th 2008 2:18PM
Did you guys know this game is gonna rock?
jsn @ Apr 24th 2008 2:21PM
he's tired of this franchise going on and on and on and he just can't take it anymore.
JerJerBinks @ Apr 24th 2008 2:28PM
This just in ... Mario, Link, and Master Chief in Triple Suicide.
More news at 11.
JPN @ Apr 24th 2008 2:27PM
I wish someone would explain what the hell is going on here
baby sea tuna @ Apr 24th 2008 2:34PM
I say that about *every* MGS game. Supposedly this one ties up pretty much all the loose ends, which is no small feat!
FOXHOUND @ Apr 24th 2008 2:30PM
***possible spoilers***
Though I literally posted an ellipsis on the original article about this... here's an actual response this time from one of Joystiq's biggest MGS fans(obviously):
*ahem*
I seriously doubt there's physical child rape in this game. NDA or not, It would've been reported already - especially by those who got a chance to play through the entire game during Konami's mini-press event playtest. Financially speaking, false talk like this is slanderously bad and I wouldn't be surprised if legal action was eventually taken. Yes, the series did previously have scenes featuring child soldiers and violence. In MGS:PORTABLE OPS, the adolescent Frank Jaeger(aka Null/Grey Fox)literally runs by with a slash of a machete into an enemy soldier. In MGS2, a teen Emma Emmerich gets fatally stabbed by Vamp(and it is also possible to be killed while escorting her to safety prior to that). Even Raiden/Jack as a child soldier in that same game is seen holding an AK-47 and melodramatically goes on a rant about the turbulent child life he endured. The game's rated M for Mature, for a reason. Given all the flack AO(Adults Only)games get from press/"concerned" parents, it's highly doubtful Konami/Koji'Pro would slash their profits from the game just to feature anything beyond that and risk AO rating.
As for the suicide attempt, I don't know about the rest of you; but I've seen more disturbing stuff in SILENT HILL or ETERNAL DARKNESS than anything in the MGS series. Yes, there was violent torture and the protagonist's eye being rendered a bloody mess due to muzzle flash(I doubt the bullet actually hit his eye, given the angle)in MGS3. MGS3 also had nearly all of their boss characters commit suicide by self-detonated explosion. Yes, two of the characters were shot in the head in MGS2; and others shot and easily seen in cutscenes. In MGS1, Revolver Ocelot got his damn hand chopped clean off. In MGS:PO, Snake gets a crippled man's prosthetic "gun leg" jabbed into his crotch as a form of torture. The series' brief sexual scenes didn't go beyond kissing while both characters still had ample clothing(MGS3). MGS games have had their fair share of violence, there's no doubt there... But nothing Hollywood, books, real life, or even the effin' Bible hasn't been on equal violence level of. Art imitates life, you know?
Parents, do your damn job and just don't let kids read/view stuff that's obviously beyond their maturity level.
Moffka @ Apr 24th 2008 7:36PM
Thank you for clearing this up for others.
Ted @ Apr 24th 2008 2:34PM
The two things which sprung to mind from that video:
*How did that woman stay looking so pretty and well-kept in the middle of battle, in the desert.
*Those mechs are really nicely done.
tmacairjordan87 @ Apr 24th 2008 2:35PM
Snake you dummy real emo's /wrist not go out the cheap way :P
I'm worried this game will have even more cinemas than 2 cause we've seen tons of footage so far