As a news blog it's kind of our job to bring you tidbits like this, but it doesn't make it any more tantalizing, especially when we know the maelstrom of dumb things like this can cause. But here it goes: Thanks to the denizens of this forum thread, we now know that the PS3 version of Grand Theft Auto IV runs at 640p, as compared to the Xbox 360's 720p *ducks*.
Before you start hunting for your fancy pitchfork, let us remind you that until 17 seconds ago this problem didn't bother you at all. And because of some of the processing effects, some people even insist that the PS3 version looks better to them! But hey, if you need something to get angry about, far be it from us to take that from you.
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Posted: Apr 30th 2008 2:14PM (Unverified) said
same deal with my tv. i have a samsung and when i hit info it says 1920x1080 or whatever 1080p is... so im not sure what the hell everyone is talking about. unless its just upscaled...
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Posted: Apr 30th 2008 2:15PM (Unverified) said
LMAO,so the best version turns out to be the inferior one instead . hehehe
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 2:28PM (Unverified) said
KOBE KOBE KOBE KOBE!!! lol The Lake Show is rolling eh, but that will come to a complete halt once they meet the Spurs in the W Conf Finals!
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Posted: Apr 30th 2008 2:32PM jasonlynx said
Sony...
SDNA - Slightly above Standard Definition. It's in our DNA.
SDNA - Slightly above Standard Definition. It's in our DNA.
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 2:54PM Scaught said
I can't decide if GTA4 will look better on the system with Mode 7 or the one with blast processing.
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 3:27PM (Unverified) said
Yo Fenix, San Antonio is good but they're old too. So I think the lake show will have no trouble rolling past them ;_;
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 3:51PM (Unverified) said
Incorrect, Joystiq. It did bother me from day one. I put the game in, fired it up and thought "What, this is high def?!" - now all's clear. Combine 640 with the massive amount of blur on the PS3 and honestly, you've got Wii res graphics.
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 4:20PM (Unverified) said
What's the deal with this story? I mean really?!
I have GTA4 on PS3 and it runs in 720p. End of story.
I have GTA4 on PS3 and it runs in 720p. End of story.
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 6:19PM Vcize said
Dr. Doom, while with either 640p or 720p some upconversion would be done either way on your 1080p set, in theory it is easier to extract those 1080 lines when you have 720 lines to start with than it is when you have 640.
It's fewer lines that it has to "figure out" and it also has more data to work with to determine what's left. If I gave you one green line, you're going to have a very difficult time extrapolating that out to 1080 lines to make a picture. Every extra line I give you gets you closer to figuring out what those 1080 lines should actually look like in a perfect world.
Whether or not you can see this difference when we're talking 640 vs. 720 is another issue. I don't think that most people can.
It's fewer lines that it has to "figure out" and it also has more data to work with to determine what's left. If I gave you one green line, you're going to have a very difficult time extrapolating that out to 1080 lines to make a picture. Every extra line I give you gets you closer to figuring out what those 1080 lines should actually look like in a perfect world.
Whether or not you can see this difference when we're talking 640 vs. 720 is another issue. I don't think that most people can.
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 6:43PM mardigan71 said
Meh, I think it looks fine. Sure, it's sort of a pisser, but I was looking at the car models just yesterday and was very impressed at the lighting and how realistic they look with the sun glinting off the wheels, etc.
At least I can hear the game since there's no super-jet-engine-loud fan and disc drive whirring while I'm trying to play. Did I just say that? :O
At least I can hear the game since there's no super-jet-engine-loud fan and disc drive whirring while I'm trying to play. Did I just say that? :O
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 6:56PM (Unverified) said
first!
Posted: Apr 30th 2008 10:30PM (Unverified) said
Joystiq is forgetting what group of people they are talking to. They compare pixels, shaders, and what not in order to trump each other over their new toys. This is the same group who wouldn't shut up about how great their consoles were. How not too long ago they were singing praises about the PS2 despite power specs only to turn around and hate the Wii despite being slightly better. I didn't even care about the PS1 and N64 back then and didn't care about GTAIII because it looked like N64 graphics. Personally, graphics-wise, I'm okay with PS2 or Wii graphics so long as developers are smart with the resources and not expand the scope so far that graphics look like PS1 levels.
Posted: May 1st 2008 12:19AM Gwr said
Well,these isnt really a big deal atleast for most people,but for those that got their PS3 for the ultimate HD experience it might be a low blow.
I dont care,at all,but its fun to see those that do react about it,if i could just see the diference...
I dont care,at all,but its fun to see those that do react about it,if i could just see the diference...
Posted: May 1st 2008 6:39AM BurntMeatloaf said
I still have a standard TV, because since both the 360 and PS3 do anti-aliasing so well, I have no incentive to buy an HDTV.
Posted: May 1st 2008 8:40AM (Unverified) said
i just think its funny no-one ever notices these things... but then they send their whole time on forums complaining and boasting about their specs.
Posted: May 1st 2008 11:51AM (Unverified) said
i seriously dont give a shite if the ps3 runs better, 360 having more res. the game sold out both formats here in UK. The game itself is enough to be a success.
And for the video comparison, it was like Assasin's but mirror flipped!
Jeez, go to options, Display, and adjust the fucking thing! FUll brightness and contrast makes it look like good old days
And for the video comparison, it was like Assasin's but mirror flipped!
Jeez, go to options, Display, and adjust the fucking thing! FUll brightness and contrast makes it look like good old days
Posted: May 1st 2008 12:29PM (Unverified) said
Works fine in 1080p , what are you talking about ??
And no it isnt upscaled its native depending on the settings of your PS3 - so if you have a PS3 configured for 1080p and and the game will at 1080p you get 1080p - if the game only does 720p it goes down to 720p when you load it.
If your PS3 is set to use 720p then the max it can display is 720p, this is what you get.
not hard to understand not hard to see for yourself just a massive discussion by people who dont know what they are talking about.
most people are just playing it on 1080p and dont know this retarded thread exists , probably started by a 360 nutjob who just wants to cause arguments between kids -
BUY a PS3 and shut up if you want the sickest visuals on GTA - if not stop talking excrement and play it or dont play it how you want !
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And no it isnt upscaled its native depending on the settings of your PS3 - so if you have a PS3 configured for 1080p and and the game will at 1080p you get 1080p - if the game only does 720p it goes down to 720p when you load it.
If your PS3 is set to use 720p then the max it can display is 720p, this is what you get.
not hard to understand not hard to see for yourself just a massive discussion by people who dont know what they are talking about.
most people are just playing it on 1080p and dont know this retarded thread exists , probably started by a 360 nutjob who just wants to cause arguments between kids -
BUY a PS3 and shut up if you want the sickest visuals on GTA - if not stop talking excrement and play it or dont play it how you want !
Posted: May 1st 2008 4:56PM (Unverified) said
I think if the 360 has 720p and ps3 640p the 360 is gonna look better as simple as that... not sure why joystiq is always putting down 360 and the wii, and now sony PS3 is the best console ever made ? u have to be joking joystiq, i guess sony is making a lot of economical contributions to your site, next thing u r gonna say is that installing 45 min of crap in a CONSOLE, to play a game its the new awesome standard the industry is adopting. Stop the PS3 hype u r creating please for the sake of us the consumers... i had to post cause i think this subjective view about PS3 is getting ridiculous. kotaku FTW.
Posted: May 1st 2008 7:04PM (Unverified) said
You bellend, I got a PS3 after seeing my mates xbox overheat with that bloody red ring lighting up (what a well made product) only way he could play it was to wrap it up in a towel for 20mins while it was switched on (which probably doesn't do it much good) then turn it off and back on...
Only question I got with the Res of GTA on PS3... PS3 is obviously the more powerful machine out the 2 (check the specs) and obviously when game developers can create a more graphicly realistic world PS3 should handle it loads better... Now Rockstar did make the anti-analising / lighting better on the PS3 but why dd they drop the resolution slightly, with the specs this beast has under the bonnet shorley it could of had the better effects AND the same res (not that you can tell the Res difference)
P.S it makes me laugh how u xbox fanboys try and say ur system is more powerful when in writing... it isn't.
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Only question I got with the Res of GTA on PS3... PS3 is obviously the more powerful machine out the 2 (check the specs) and obviously when game developers can create a more graphicly realistic world PS3 should handle it loads better... Now Rockstar did make the anti-analising / lighting better on the PS3 but why dd they drop the resolution slightly, with the specs this beast has under the bonnet shorley it could of had the better effects AND the same res (not that you can tell the Res difference)
P.S it makes me laugh how u xbox fanboys try and say ur system is more powerful when in writing... it isn't.
Posted: May 23rd 2008 5:58AM (Unverified) said
No... actually in the PS3 specs just point out what you want to see...
The "cheap" video card on the PS3 is a f***** joke! Pure and simple... and the multiple simpler cores vs. identical triple core are just not cutting it...
Debating the 640p vs 720p from a visual point of view is a joke - the problem is EXACTLY why the "more powerful bla bla bla" keeps on giving less than the "poorer" cousin....
yes, i have them both consoles, and yes i bought the x360 version... the only time i went ps3 on multiplatform games burned me... so, for now, no more!
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The "cheap" video card on the PS3 is a f***** joke! Pure and simple... and the multiple simpler cores vs. identical triple core are just not cutting it...
Debating the 640p vs 720p from a visual point of view is a joke - the problem is EXACTLY why the "more powerful bla bla bla" keeps on giving less than the "poorer" cousin....
yes, i have them both consoles, and yes i bought the x360 version... the only time i went ps3 on multiplatform games burned me... so, for now, no more!
Posted: May 2nd 2008 9:52AM (Unverified) said
First of all (first time poster), I'd like to put forth the following. Although I own a PC, X360 and Wii, I eventually will be purchasing a PS3 as well. It's a little known following known as being a GAMING FANBOY. This means that you can appreciate games on any system and even the systems themselves regardless of whether you hate the companies selling them or not (I hate both Microsoft and Sony as companies, but love Resident Evil, and number 5 is coming to both of their systems in 2009 from what I last read a while back). So those of you from the XDF/SDF/NDF can (one would hope) politely refrain from ill-informed labelling and insults based on this knowledge now acquired.
Coming to the topic, personally whether the game is rendered in 640p or 720p makes no difference to me even though I appreciate good graphics in a game, as the GTA games are known to have comparatively basic graphics compared to other games on the same consoles, and this is largely because of the nature of the game itself. So all this bickering about 80 lines of resolution is inherently meaningless when the main focus should be about whether the game comes together as a package effectively, which is a combination of graphics, story, application of controls, sound, fluidity (mostly to do with framerate, not so much graphics themselves as a bad engine can affect frame rate even if graphical and post-processing intensity is low), etc. Instead of insulting each other back and forth, why don't we demand better and more relevant news from the author? If this is all there is to report then it is better left ignored, as all it leads to is relative strangers irrationally choosing to lambast each other because of preference of games or brand. The other person made a different choice based on their own perspective and if you are too insecure to accept that, then you would be better off not saying anything, lest you say something disrespectful and thereby devoid of purpose. If we let authors know that we expect better from them and not this type of vitriolic rubbish, then surely after the author's trial and error (we shouldn't expect things would improve overnight but we also shouldn't expect stagnation either) they would come to know what we would appreciate as actual news, and not just a revelation of rambling from another forum.
On a better note, I hope you all enjoy GTA IV, regardless of what system of choice/gift you play it on. I hope something I have stated here would be agreed upon by at least some of you.
Dickson
Coming to the topic, personally whether the game is rendered in 640p or 720p makes no difference to me even though I appreciate good graphics in a game, as the GTA games are known to have comparatively basic graphics compared to other games on the same consoles, and this is largely because of the nature of the game itself. So all this bickering about 80 lines of resolution is inherently meaningless when the main focus should be about whether the game comes together as a package effectively, which is a combination of graphics, story, application of controls, sound, fluidity (mostly to do with framerate, not so much graphics themselves as a bad engine can affect frame rate even if graphical and post-processing intensity is low), etc. Instead of insulting each other back and forth, why don't we demand better and more relevant news from the author? If this is all there is to report then it is better left ignored, as all it leads to is relative strangers irrationally choosing to lambast each other because of preference of games or brand. The other person made a different choice based on their own perspective and if you are too insecure to accept that, then you would be better off not saying anything, lest you say something disrespectful and thereby devoid of purpose. If we let authors know that we expect better from them and not this type of vitriolic rubbish, then surely after the author's trial and error (we shouldn't expect things would improve overnight but we also shouldn't expect stagnation either) they would come to know what we would appreciate as actual news, and not just a revelation of rambling from another forum.
On a better note, I hope you all enjoy GTA IV, regardless of what system of choice/gift you play it on. I hope something I have stated here would be agreed upon by at least some of you.
Dickson
Posted: May 2nd 2008 11:59AM (Unverified) said
lol, poor 7800 can't keep up...
Posted: May 2nd 2008 12:17PM (Unverified) said
gamewise, i don't give a damn which system i play it on, gta is gta. but i hate ignorance so i had to post this.
quoted from newblet above:
"P.S it makes me laugh how u xbox fanboys try and say ur system is more powerful when in writing... it isn't."
LoL newblet, xbox's xenos was the precursor to the radeon 2900xt and the first i repeat FIRST system to use unified shaders. the first ones rolled out were garbage, but mine with hdmi out (and no, its not an elite) has run 24 hours straight w/out incidence. the ps3, while formidable with its cell processors (which i might add are useless for processing graphics...yes, pointless, but sony wants your money, not your praise a$$holes), runs the RSX, which is basically less powerful nVidia g70 7800. you f*cking newblet, get this straight. the 360 was way ahead of its time, hence why i didn't buy one til december of last year. ps3 was released too late to compete with less than stellar titles and specs. please, do your homework before you come to class, lest you be schooled.
PS. a 2900xt will stomp the holy f*ck sh*t out of a 7800gtx. now, if a 2900xt can beat the holy f*ck sh*t out of a 7800gtx, what more for a less than powerful 7800??? exactly, shut up newblets.
quoted from newblet above:
"P.S it makes me laugh how u xbox fanboys try and say ur system is more powerful when in writing... it isn't."
LoL newblet, xbox's xenos was the precursor to the radeon 2900xt and the first i repeat FIRST system to use unified shaders. the first ones rolled out were garbage, but mine with hdmi out (and no, its not an elite) has run 24 hours straight w/out incidence. the ps3, while formidable with its cell processors (which i might add are useless for processing graphics...yes, pointless, but sony wants your money, not your praise a$$holes), runs the RSX, which is basically less powerful nVidia g70 7800. you f*cking newblet, get this straight. the 360 was way ahead of its time, hence why i didn't buy one til december of last year. ps3 was released too late to compete with less than stellar titles and specs. please, do your homework before you come to class, lest you be schooled.
PS. a 2900xt will stomp the holy f*ck sh*t out of a 7800gtx. now, if a 2900xt can beat the holy f*ck sh*t out of a 7800gtx, what more for a less than powerful 7800??? exactly, shut up newblets.
Posted: May 3rd 2008 12:11AM (Unverified) said
Here's what I don't like about Xtra-bux 3shitty, aside from framerates, and progressive scan res. and blah, blah, blah. ITS MICROSOFT! They are crooks, and will milk all the dough out of their customers as they can. Let's face it, 90% of the time, the graphical differences between consoles is NEGLIGABLE. But when it comes to being software pimps, MS is king... UNIX all the way! Sony and Apple rock
Posted: May 3rd 2008 12:12AM (Unverified) said
Here's what I don't like about Xtra-bux 3shitty, aside from framerates, and progressive scan res. and blah, blah, blah. ITS MICROSOFT! They are crooks, and will milk all the dough out of their customers as they can. Let's face it, 90% of the time, the graphical differences between consoles is NEGLIGABLE. But when it comes to being software pimps, MS is king... UNIX all the way! Sony and Apple rock
Posted: May 3rd 2008 9:13PM The Punisher said
SHACKeled,
What are you talking about? Keep drinking that Sony Kool-Aid. If I remember correctly the PS2 had so many add-on it wasn't even funny. I don't remember PS2 having a HDD, oh that's right you had to buy that seperately. Most versions of the PS2 didn't have online capability... oh that's right you had to buy the ethernet adapter.
All these great features you think the PS3 has, is because MS did them LAST generation.
Oh and as far as online goes, wow a whole 14 cents a day for such an awesome online service. Money well spent in my opinion. So eat me loser.
You think Sony is honest? Where are the dual 1080p HMDI capable output the PS3 was originally touted as having? What about those 3 or 4 ethernet jacks?
"Let's face it, 90% of the time, the graphical differences between consoles is NEGLIGABLE."
$600 for Negligable? You dumbshit. Who's the one being ripped off again. What a jack hole you are.
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What are you talking about? Keep drinking that Sony Kool-Aid. If I remember correctly the PS2 had so many add-on it wasn't even funny. I don't remember PS2 having a HDD, oh that's right you had to buy that seperately. Most versions of the PS2 didn't have online capability... oh that's right you had to buy the ethernet adapter.
All these great features you think the PS3 has, is because MS did them LAST generation.
Oh and as far as online goes, wow a whole 14 cents a day for such an awesome online service. Money well spent in my opinion. So eat me loser.
You think Sony is honest? Where are the dual 1080p HMDI capable output the PS3 was originally touted as having? What about those 3 or 4 ethernet jacks?
"Let's face it, 90% of the time, the graphical differences between consoles is NEGLIGABLE."
$600 for Negligable? You dumbshit. Who's the one being ripped off again. What a jack hole you are.
Posted: May 5th 2008 7:11AM (Unverified) said
i have the box for gta 4 (PS3) right in front of me, and it says PALHD 720p 1080i 1080p it says nothing about 640 now stop arguing and play the god damn game
Posted: May 7th 2008 9:01AM (Unverified) said
How do you know it is in 640p?
Posted: May 7th 2008 2:03PM Sergio526 said
Didn't they finish the 360 version back in August? That would make sense that they would develope better techniques over the past 8 months of PS3 developement and just didn't have time to implement those into the 360 build of the engine (they looked so close visually, it wouldn't be worth all the extra time). I bet the 360 version will see the engine enhancements with the DLC episodes.
Posted: May 7th 2008 3:50PM (Unverified) said
ok i can see this will piss loads of people off but i dont realy care if you sad enough to start an argument about this that is your problem im just stateing and oppinion,
so tbh i dont see why you are all arguaing about the game the game isnt even good its boreing the graphics are terrible for both ps3 and xbox 360 standards its riddled with glitches the online *with the ps3 atleast* is the worst ive ever played i think this game was over hyped from the beginning, i would much rather play one of the older titles like vice city stories and trust me i would be if i haddnt of traded it in to nock a couple of quid of the stupid £40/ $60 price tag. all in all this game is an isane dissapointment and im off to sell it at the weekend see how much i can make back, rockstar realy messed up with this game is all i have to say about it
so tbh i dont see why you are all arguaing about the game the game isnt even good its boreing the graphics are terrible for both ps3 and xbox 360 standards its riddled with glitches the online *with the ps3 atleast* is the worst ive ever played i think this game was over hyped from the beginning, i would much rather play one of the older titles like vice city stories and trust me i would be if i haddnt of traded it in to nock a couple of quid of the stupid £40/ $60 price tag. all in all this game is an isane dissapointment and im off to sell it at the weekend see how much i can make back, rockstar realy messed up with this game is all i have to say about it
Posted: May 23rd 2008 6:10AM (Unverified) said
yes... rockstar messed up pretty big with this one... poor guys will have to live on the street after the poor revenue this game has gotten... and those horrible reviews........ btw: what planet are you from ?!
the game is great, i've finished it and LOVED it...
hoping for good DLC for it...
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the game is great, i've finished it and LOVED it...
hoping for good DLC for it...
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