Note: those afraid of tech-speak should skip the first paragraph.
According to Cens.com, the first 65nm GPU chip equipped Xbox 360s -- codenamed Jasper, the successor to current Falcon 360s, which incorporate a 65nm CPU but use a larger GPU -- will start showing up in by August of this year. IBM will reportedly manufacture and test the CPU chips, while Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC) has reportedly been contracted to manufacture and the graphics chips, which will in turn be tested and packaged by Advanced Semiconductor Engineering Inc. (ASE). Nanya will be responsible for supplying flip-chip packaging substrates (don't ask us). Furthermore, CENS reports that industry watchers are betting on TSMC to win contracts to manufacture chips for Japser's successor, Valhalla, which will combine both the CPU and graphics chips into one super chip.
The upshot of all this is that new chips should be arriving this August, making for cooler, quieter 360s everywhere. that's something we can all enjoy, right? Oh, and no, there was no mention of Microsoft cramming Blu-Ray drives into either the Jasper or Valhalla.
[Via Joystiq]
Update: Clarified differences between Falcon and Jasper units
Reader Comments (25)
Posted: May 8th 2008 3:06PM NBShermanator said
Great and all.. but whens the spring update!?!?!
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Posted: May 8th 2008 3:18PM (Unverified) said
The Falcon includes the 65nm CPU, as well as an 80nm GPU (slightly smaller than the original) - which is why they run significantly cooler.
August sounds about right, as AMD/ATi are only just switching their chips to 65nm at the minute - way behind nVidia.
The majority of the 360 noise comes from the DVD drive anyway, so don't get your hopes up.
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August sounds about right, as AMD/ATi are only just switching their chips to 65nm at the minute - way behind nVidia.
The majority of the 360 noise comes from the DVD drive anyway, so don't get your hopes up.
Posted: May 8th 2008 3:24PM (Unverified) said
Falcon cooler. Ha
Next your being saying it is quieter.
You are right about the sizes, and the article is wrong. Shame on you X3F, you don't even know what powers you favourite console
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Next your being saying it is quieter.
You are right about the sizes, and the article is wrong. Shame on you X3F, you don't even know what powers you favourite console
Posted: May 8th 2008 4:02PM (Unverified) said
Clarified some of the differences between the units. And yes, most of the noise does come from the DVD drive. Still, cooler processors mean less fan use, so hopefully it will be a teensy bit quieter.
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Posted: May 8th 2008 5:42PM (Unverified) said
Yes - the Falcon runs significantly cooler. I have a 2008 Elite now, and it runs A LOT cooler than my launch Elite did (my launch Elite cracked two game disks, and was 90nm - I could tell by the heatsink design). It's fairly common knowledge that one of the main advantages of smaller manufacturing processes is to decrease heat.
What i'm not saying is that the Falcon is more reliable ;-) General opinion seems to point at the GPU being the main cause of the 3 red lights - which is probably true, considering its a first generation unified-shader GPU (which ATi aren't too great at designing, as it turns out). The Falcon doesn't have said 65nm GPU, so probably isn't going to be much more reliable.
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What i'm not saying is that the Falcon is more reliable ;-) General opinion seems to point at the GPU being the main cause of the 3 red lights - which is probably true, considering its a first generation unified-shader GPU (which ATi aren't too great at designing, as it turns out). The Falcon doesn't have said 65nm GPU, so probably isn't going to be much more reliable.
Posted: May 8th 2008 6:57PM PerfectStrategy said
@Sean
My lord are you ever wrong. ATI is ahead of Nvidia. NVIDIA video cards are on 65nm process right now. I'm sitting here looking at my ATI HD 3870 X2 55nm that I bought two months ago, and wondering what the heck you are smoking. I also bought a 65nm ATI video card some 7 months ago.
Secondly,
"considering its a first generation unified-shader GPU (which ATi aren't too great at designing, as it turns out)"
Wow are you ever stupid. The ATI Xenos GPU in the 360 is a marvel of design and was way ahead of its time considering it launched in 2005. It has 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines with a theoretical 10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle. The unified shader architecture and the rest of the Xenos architecture is brilliant and that is why despite launching one year before the PS3 it can still outpower the PS3's NVIDIA video card running at a higher frequency.
Hopefully you have learned something here today.
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My lord are you ever wrong. ATI is ahead of Nvidia. NVIDIA video cards are on 65nm process right now. I'm sitting here looking at my ATI HD 3870 X2 55nm that I bought two months ago, and wondering what the heck you are smoking. I also bought a 65nm ATI video card some 7 months ago.
Secondly,
"considering its a first generation unified-shader GPU (which ATi aren't too great at designing, as it turns out)"
Wow are you ever stupid. The ATI Xenos GPU in the 360 is a marvel of design and was way ahead of its time considering it launched in 2005. It has 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines with a theoretical 10 FLOPS per pipeline per cycle. The unified shader architecture and the rest of the Xenos architecture is brilliant and that is why despite launching one year before the PS3 it can still outpower the PS3's NVIDIA video card running at a higher frequency.
Hopefully you have learned something here today.
Posted: May 8th 2008 8:15PM TheSound said
@PerfectStrategy
You couldn't be more wrong. Yes it's slightly smaller in an ATI card, but Nvidia is leaps and bounds ahead of ATI/AMD.
Just go look at some news with Nvidia, they are basically competing with Intel with integrated graphics and small, cheap processing.
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You couldn't be more wrong. Yes it's slightly smaller in an ATI card, but Nvidia is leaps and bounds ahead of ATI/AMD.
Just go look at some news with Nvidia, they are basically competing with Intel with integrated graphics and small, cheap processing.
Posted: May 8th 2008 11:50PM PerfectStrategy said
Wow, I could reply to your comments... But screw it, not worth the effort when you are that dumb.
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Posted: May 8th 2008 3:54PM 007craft said
quiter dvd drives would cost to much. 360 games (especially the big ones nowadays) all spin at extremely high rates. To cut the noise they would need to implament some sort of sound dampining in the console. The current drives are quality drives, and no other drive is gonna magically spin a disc just as fast while not making as much noise. And I dont think the consumer would be happy with a $20 price increase per console at retail.
Then again microsoft could just keep the price the same and just be less profitable per console but I doubt a rich coropration would ever make that decision lol.
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Then again microsoft could just keep the price the same and just be less profitable per console but I doubt a rich coropration would ever make that decision lol.
Posted: May 8th 2008 6:45PM TheSound said
The unfortunate thing is, if they were able to have reduced the size of the chips sooner, then a lot of the RRoD issues might not have come up.
They are behind in reducing size. Sony has been 65nm/65nm for Cell/graphics (or 65nm/90nm until recently) and are working on 45nm cell chips for next year. While Sony is a hardware manufacturer, MS might need to try harder next gen (or end of this one) to get down in size, because the overall benefit is less heat/power/noise and cheaper to manufacture because you can manufacture more with fewer losses to bad chips.
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They are behind in reducing size. Sony has been 65nm/65nm for Cell/graphics (or 65nm/90nm until recently) and are working on 45nm cell chips for next year. While Sony is a hardware manufacturer, MS might need to try harder next gen (or end of this one) to get down in size, because the overall benefit is less heat/power/noise and cheaper to manufacture because you can manufacture more with fewer losses to bad chips.
Posted: May 8th 2008 7:06PM PerfectStrategy said
What is everyone smoking today? The PS3 (all models) currently have 90nm GPUs, not 80nm, and certainly not 65nm.
So how is Microsoft behind, The Sound? They went to 65nm CPU and 80nm GPU last year in October. The PS3 only went to 65nm CPU this year I believe and is still on 90nm GPU.
And in case you want to make a dumb remark, this has nothing to do with when the consoles launched. The chip foundries of the world do not adjust their timetables of when they can manufacture at certain processes based on when a console releases or how long it's been out.
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So how is Microsoft behind, The Sound? They went to 65nm CPU and 80nm GPU last year in October. The PS3 only went to 65nm CPU this year I believe and is still on 90nm GPU.
And in case you want to make a dumb remark, this has nothing to do with when the consoles launched. The chip foundries of the world do not adjust their timetables of when they can manufacture at certain processes based on when a console releases or how long it's been out.
Posted: May 8th 2008 8:11PM TheSound said
Dumb remark? Hah.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-ibm-shrinks-cell-to-45nm-cheaper-ps3s-will-follow.html
Cell at 45nm now, not yet in use in PS3, will be this summer.
40gb PS3 units, the only units available at this time are running 65nm/90nm which was in my original post.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/09/40gb-ps3s-have-65nm-cell-chips-90nm-gpus/
And the fact that it's taken MS 3 years to reduce chip sizes all around shows that being a hardware company/manufacturer (Sony) helps out a lot. The PS3 is a year old (a little over) and it's already down to the same size and will be smaller in CPU size this summer.
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080207-ibm-shrinks-cell-to-45nm-cheaper-ps3s-will-follow.html
Cell at 45nm now, not yet in use in PS3, will be this summer.
40gb PS3 units, the only units available at this time are running 65nm/90nm which was in my original post.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/11/09/40gb-ps3s-have-65nm-cell-chips-90nm-gpus/
And the fact that it's taken MS 3 years to reduce chip sizes all around shows that being a hardware company/manufacturer (Sony) helps out a lot. The PS3 is a year old (a little over) and it's already down to the same size and will be smaller in CPU size this summer.
Posted: May 8th 2008 9:04PM (Unverified) said
My xbox360 is so loud, im thinking about selling it...please talk me out of it.
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Posted: May 9th 2008 4:03AM Cash9007 said
Wonder what sort of goodness my recently sent in thanks to the burning rings of fire Xbox will return to me with. Will it just have some new big ass heatsinks, or do I get one o' them fancy new system boards?
Probably not, as I'd imagine they'll just cram a refurbed board in there and call it a day.
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Probably not, as I'd imagine they'll just cram a refurbed board in there and call it a day.
Posted: May 9th 2008 6:17AM (Unverified) said
FFS! I've only just got the Falcon after my 1st gen 360 red ringed.
It's tough keeping up with the Jones's!!
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It's tough keeping up with the Jones's!!
Posted: May 26th 2008 5:59PM (Unverified) said
anyone know if "Jasper" is due to manufactured beginning in august or will they be in shops by august? as there is often around two months from manufacturer to retailer,and ill snap one up when there out, dont want no rrod console and this should be solved with "jasper".
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Posted: Jul 6th 2008 1:01AM (Unverified) said
Knowing that Falcon shows a remarkable drop in failure rates (aka rrod), Jasper will most definitely have the problem fixed for good this time. My only Xbox 360 died on me a couple of months ago, after all the efforts put into repairing it. I'll most probably get Jasper as my second 360. And yes, Jasper will be available by this August, hopefully...
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Posted: Jul 28th 2008 8:30AM (Unverified) said
will this be for the elite to ???? and when dose it come like in the date August what???
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Posted: Jul 28th 2008 8:34AM (Unverified) said
will this be for the elite to ???? and when dose it come like in the date August what??? and how do u know if u have one???
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