Electronic Arts has received commitments for a $1 billion loan from various financial institutions toward its acquisition of Take-Two. The company has up until January 9, 2009 to tap the funds in its $2 billion hostile takeover and there's been no update on the deal since Take-Two's last rejection.
GamePolitics spoke with Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter who says that after the Pandemic/BioWare acquisition that EA is a little strapped for cash. He believes the timing of this loan isn't "particularly unusual" and it could be possible that EA might make a higher bid for Take-Two.
Reader Comments (91)
Posted: May 10th 2008 9:02PM Streeks1984 said
I pray it doesn't happen. LEAVE TAKE TWO ALONE E FUCKIN A. WHY DONT YOU GUYS JUST GOO AWAY.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 5:39PM (Unverified) said
EA is clearly not getting the message though...
I never thought I could hate someone as much as I hate sony and the sony fanboys...
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I never thought I could hate someone as much as I hate sony and the sony fanboys...
Posted: May 11th 2008 5:57AM (Unverified) said
We can try writing to EA, calmly and rationally, explaining why we, their paychecks, do not want this to happen.
Failing that, spam.
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Failing that, spam.
Posted: May 10th 2008 3:09PM (Unverified) said
When all else fails, throw money at 'em! This is worse than the Yahoo! buyout by Microsoft.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:11PM (Unverified) said
JOYSTIQ STAFF
I find more and more often when trying to rank comments up ie: joe's Im treated with a black screen. Anyone else having the same prob?
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I find more and more often when trying to rank comments up ie: joe's Im treated with a black screen. Anyone else having the same prob?
Posted: May 10th 2008 3:17PM Mr Khan said
It took me a while to figure this out, why sometimes i got an advertisement and others i just got a black screen, but you have to scroll all the way to the top of the page when you get the black screen. A skip advertisement button can be found there
However, i still disapprove. I expect such irritating page ads from IGN, not from y'all
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However, i still disapprove. I expect such irritating page ads from IGN, not from y'all
Posted: May 10th 2008 3:27PM (Unverified) said
same here ... I thought it was just me ... I just reload the main page
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:46PM (Unverified) said
Yeah, come on guys, can you at least pretend you're trying to address ther issue of these adverts. I wouldn't mind (we all need to support the site) but they keep appearing when I vote comments up or down, which means I'm starting to get put off doing it cos it happens so often.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:15PM (Unverified) said
You are out of your mind if you are a Take Two shareholder and sell your stock.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:20PM Mr Khan said
They'll come down off the GTAIV high by the start of 2009, and unless they lean on Rockstar to shove something else out the door, TakeTwo will, unless they work hard to reorganize between now and then, return to their financial instability
Take Two's got a window of stockholder satisfaction to try to secure future growth and security that is not dependent on one franchise, they had best make use of it
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Take Two's got a window of stockholder satisfaction to try to secure future growth and security that is not dependent on one franchise, they had best make use of it
Posted: May 10th 2008 3:25PM (Unverified) said
I agree with Mr Khan, GTA IV has been and gone and the T2 share price hasn't really moved, it was already artificially high thanks to the anticipation of GTA IV.
If I had stock in T2 I'd seel right away, the price isn't going to go up any further and they don't have anythign on the horizon big enough to warrant hanging on. Bioshock 2 is a long way off, their sports brand isn't too strong sales wise and I don't think they would be worth even half the price EA are offering if it wasn't for Rockstar North.
Although I would hate for this to go ahead, no way would EA ever give R*N 4 years to create a game.
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If I had stock in T2 I'd seel right away, the price isn't going to go up any further and they don't have anythign on the horizon big enough to warrant hanging on. Bioshock 2 is a long way off, their sports brand isn't too strong sales wise and I don't think they would be worth even half the price EA are offering if it wasn't for Rockstar North.
Although I would hate for this to go ahead, no way would EA ever give R*N 4 years to create a game.
Posted: May 10th 2008 3:31PM (Unverified) said
I would not sell the stock ... There is a Bioshock movie in the works, LA Noire and another unnamed PS3 exclusive project ... Its a very steady brand and it will continue to grow ... Wait until the official NPD numbers come out for GTA IV
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:44PM (Unverified) said
Ok John, IF the Bioshock movie is made and is successful, let's say it'll take about $300 million at the box office (which is generous), how much do you think T2 will see of that? You're probably looking at less than $20 million which isn't a lot of money when you look at the $2 billion being offered.
We know next to nothing about LA Noire and this 'un-named PS3 exclusive' and you can't forecast for new IPs so far from completion.
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We know next to nothing about LA Noire and this 'un-named PS3 exclusive' and you can't forecast for new IPs so far from completion.
Posted: May 10th 2008 4:25PM (Unverified) said
voodoo,
" let's say it'll take about $300 million at the box office (which is generous)"
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide
you probably mean US Box Office, Worlwide Im pretty sure it would make much more than that
"how much do you think T2 will see of that? You're probably looking at less than $20 million which isn't a lot of money when you look at the $2 billion being offered."
wow, they would be looking at more far more than 20 million, that is if they play their cards well.
Its not only that, movies are a HUGE advertising business, with a movie comes the rest of the memorabilia, including DVDs, and so on...not only that, but a Bioshock movie would also be a huge advertisement for Bioshock 2...
Look, shareholders are doing well by not selling their T2 stock, they have all the necessary cards, they just need to play them well, but yah, this also means that if they make one wrong move with their key franchises (bad movie or bad game), they will most likely be fucked.
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" let's say it'll take about $300 million at the box office (which is generous)"
http://www.imdb.com/boxoffice/alltimegross?region=world-wide
you probably mean US Box Office, Worlwide Im pretty sure it would make much more than that
"how much do you think T2 will see of that? You're probably looking at less than $20 million which isn't a lot of money when you look at the $2 billion being offered."
wow, they would be looking at more far more than 20 million, that is if they play their cards well.
Its not only that, movies are a HUGE advertising business, with a movie comes the rest of the memorabilia, including DVDs, and so on...not only that, but a Bioshock movie would also be a huge advertisement for Bioshock 2...
Look, shareholders are doing well by not selling their T2 stock, they have all the necessary cards, they just need to play them well, but yah, this also means that if they make one wrong move with their key franchises (bad movie or bad game), they will most likely be fucked.
Posted: May 10th 2008 5:06PM embassy said
noshino,
there's a reason the movie business is in libo right now, cuz films dont make money. the net profit made from a film, even a blockbuster one, isn't enough to recoup losses made on all the other unsuccessful movies funded by a major studio.
so a bioshock movie, which im sorry to inform you, is a "hardcore" gamers' game. isn't gonna have any major affect on T2 stock prices. even with ancillary sales, none of that matters.
also, as much as i love my 2k sports series, they dont sell enough to make a dent either.
that's my biggest fear of the takeover..EA just flat-out shutting down thier sports game competition.
i utterly refuse to play NBA live. the buggiest sports game on the planet.
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there's a reason the movie business is in libo right now, cuz films dont make money. the net profit made from a film, even a blockbuster one, isn't enough to recoup losses made on all the other unsuccessful movies funded by a major studio.
so a bioshock movie, which im sorry to inform you, is a "hardcore" gamers' game. isn't gonna have any major affect on T2 stock prices. even with ancillary sales, none of that matters.
also, as much as i love my 2k sports series, they dont sell enough to make a dent either.
that's my biggest fear of the takeover..EA just flat-out shutting down thier sports game competition.
i utterly refuse to play NBA live. the buggiest sports game on the planet.
Posted: May 10th 2008 10:41PM (Unverified) said
The movie license is pure profit. Lets do some math for everyone.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/12/19/ps3-xbox360-costs-tech-cx_rr_game06_1219expensivegames.html
Based on Forbes calculation for revenue breakup of who gets what from a game ... the publisher and distributer gets 1.5% or for Take 2, 3% since they are both.
So a $60 game would make Take 2 $1.80 per game sold.
If the BioShock Movie license was sold for $10 Million + 10% Gross Revenue of movie (Halo Movie Deal), then we are looking at the equivalent of 5.5 Million games shipped ...
If BioShock Movie was $25 Million with no royalty payments, then that is equivalent of ~14 Million units shipped.
This is pure money. This is more than EA has made for the last 3 quarters. This is worth a lot since it is pure money, and if BioShock does well, then the sequel is gonna cost a lot more.
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http://www.forbes.com/technology/2006/12/19/ps3-xbox360-costs-tech-cx_rr_game06_1219expensivegames.html
Based on Forbes calculation for revenue breakup of who gets what from a game ... the publisher and distributer gets 1.5% or for Take 2, 3% since they are both.
So a $60 game would make Take 2 $1.80 per game sold.
If the BioShock Movie license was sold for $10 Million + 10% Gross Revenue of movie (Halo Movie Deal), then we are looking at the equivalent of 5.5 Million games shipped ...
If BioShock Movie was $25 Million with no royalty payments, then that is equivalent of ~14 Million units shipped.
This is pure money. This is more than EA has made for the last 3 quarters. This is worth a lot since it is pure money, and if BioShock does well, then the sequel is gonna cost a lot more.
Posted: May 10th 2008 10:50PM embassy said
gnawkz, it is no where near that simple.
first off it cost like..20-35 mill to make a top tier game? ( being very conservative), while a blockbuster film costs 180+ mill and the avg film in general is around 60 mill.
that's a *huge* disparity in budget. so even if bioschock makes 200 mill at the boxoffice, if it costs 180 mill to make it the net profit is chump change.
and thats the case with most films and thus why the film industry is in trouble and is financially ass backwards.
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first off it cost like..20-35 mill to make a top tier game? ( being very conservative), while a blockbuster film costs 180+ mill and the avg film in general is around 60 mill.
that's a *huge* disparity in budget. so even if bioschock makes 200 mill at the boxoffice, if it costs 180 mill to make it the net profit is chump change.
and thats the case with most films and thus why the film industry is in trouble and is financially ass backwards.
Posted: May 11th 2008 12:44AM (Unverified) said
Well I still would not sell my stock in T2 ... Interesting point made about Bioshock 2 as well coming out around the Bioshock movie ... Seriously though any fan of games should wish EA never gets T2 ... I know thats not the scope of this particular conversation but then EA will have a monopoly on sports games ... Lets not forget T2 also has visual concepts under its umbrella which makes games like NBA 2k, MLb 2k, Virtua Tennis among others
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Posted: May 10th 2008 6:54PM (Unverified) said
EA are totally monopolizing the videogame market. The EU would never allow this, I reckon the US's competition laws are in need of upgrade.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:27PM (Unverified) said
First they came for Take Two, and I didn't speak up because I was too busy playing Grand Theft Auto...
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Posted: May 10th 2008 5:11PM (Unverified) said
Then they came for Ubisoft, and I didn't speak up because I was still too busy playing Grand Theft Auto...
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Posted: May 10th 2008 5:39PM (Unverified) said
Then they came for my wallet, and there was nobody left to speak up.
Well, except Jack Thompson.
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Well, except Jack Thompson.
Posted: May 10th 2008 6:18PM Lone Starr said
Yes, the Holocaust was the first thing that came to mind when I heard of a potential EA buyout.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:32PM The Artist Formerly known as Jes said
"We have 30 days to raise 2 billion dollars to prevent a takeover. Any ideas how to raise it?"
"How about an all Male carwash?"
"Ok! Let's do it!"
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"How about an all Male carwash?"
"Ok! Let's do it!"
Posted: May 10th 2008 4:08PM (Unverified) said
Ask chef to whore himself out to all the women in the world.
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Posted: May 10th 2008 5:28PM (Unverified) said
well you could whore yourself out to a 1000 fat chicks for 50 bucks a piece. of 50 really fat chicks for 1000 bucks a piece!
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Posted: May 10th 2008 3:40PM MinimumWageNinja said
GODDAMMIT. I hate, hate, hate EA.
Can you see the next GTA with nothing but in game advertising rather than the made up advertising? Welcome to the world of EA.
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Can you see the next GTA with nothing but in game advertising rather than the made up advertising? Welcome to the world of EA.
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