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Posted: May 12th 2008 12:23PM unboring said

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he is actually the most accurate videogame game analyst , there's an article that was on here acouple months ago that showed the accuracy rate of the like top 6 analysts and pachter was by far the leader, thats why they always referance his opinions and hardly any other analysts.

Besides PS3 has outsold 360 in the united states so far in 2008. On a Global level this has been the trend for quite a while now. This is the momentum that was to be expected. It will only continue as we gear towards MGS4 , R2, LBP, KZ2, HAZE, ect ect.

Two of my friends bought PS3s for GTA4, but their reasoning was, buy PS3 for GTA4 , and have a PS3 for MGS4 and the other exclusives. For one of them Bluray was also a major selling point.

For anyone whoh is saying yahoo about a 60/40 360vsPS3 game sales for GTA4 lets be real, PS3 still had a much higher attach rate for this game. Your saying that yourself when you say it is 60/40, because of the size of the install bases.

anyways, im done my fanyboyish fant.

Posted: May 12th 2008 12:35PM Duke said

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The same tripe we hear over and over. Thanks for blowing our minds with information such as the PS3 is selling more units in 2008. As always, you ignore the fact that the 360 has a larger US install base already, leading to less units being bought. You know, people don't go buy a second and third for shits and giggles generally.

WTF does it matter how many copies of GTA sold versus how many units of the consoles there are? I dont see how the attach rate on one game matters. Its the overall attach rate that demonstrates software success - and there the PS3 is still lacking.

Your rant was just typical fanboy points rehashed (Bluray brought up!?). Stop trying to act like the PS3 is snuffing the 360 and its doomsday for anyone who owns one.
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Posted: May 12th 2008 1:07PM (Unverified) said

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@NATO_Duke

Thank you Sir, is good to see that somebody fighting back. +1 to you
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Posted: May 12th 2008 1:32PM (Unverified) said

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"You know, people don't go buy a second and third for shits and giggles generally. "

That's right, they don't buy a 2nd and 3rd one for no reason. They buy a 2nd and 3rd one so they can play on it while they are waiting for the 1st to come back from Microsoft after it red ringed. I wonder if MS has any way of tracking how many 360s are used as "backup" consoles. To Microsoft's credit, that kind of zealot loyalty to a brand is hard to achieve!
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Posted: May 12th 2008 1:37PM Duke said

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If you say so.

Why don't we offset that kind of comment with the fact that lots of people with one console also buy the other brand's console - so there goes more from your PS3 will kill them all arguments.
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Posted: May 12th 2008 1:04PM Rask said

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I love that this last name is Patcher given that his guesses are always so full of holes.

Posted: May 12th 2008 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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"pachter" presumably pronounced pack-ter.

close, but no cigar.
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Posted: May 12th 2008 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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If I owned stock in Microsoft or Sony, maybe I'd give a damn ...

Posted: May 12th 2008 1:45PM Korova Pamplona said

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XBOX fanboy cogito:

I am a fanboy, therefore you are wrong.

Posted: May 12th 2008 2:23PM (Unverified) said

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Pachter's talking about video games. Someone needs to remind Pachter that he doesn't know shit about video games.

I guess it's up to me again.

"When GTA 3 came out, I had a 325,000 unit estimate, so I only missed by about 20 million units." - Michael Pachter

"Warcraft is so good and so good-looking that it got this immediate attraction; everybody who would ever consider playing an online game said, 'This is the one. I gotta try it.' And what'll happen is inevitably, like the health club model, after you pay your 30 bucks a month for 3 or 4 months and you only go once a week, you realize it's not worth it and you split. That's what will happen with Warcraft ... I think it's going to roll back to a million. I'm not predicting it's going to happen in three weeks; I'd guess it has a half-life of 6 months to a year," - Michael Pachter

Posted: May 12th 2008 2:26PM unboring said

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NATO-duke,
except I acknowledged 360's higher install base in my post.

If you think that 20 million consoles (or whatever 360 at now) is the approaching ceiling for 360 sales and that is why they are not outselling PS3 then maybe you should look at PS2, 130million consoles sold. The Wii for that matter is going to be looking at 40 million by the end of this year.

If you think that 360 is simply underperforming in consoles sales because the market is saturated with XBOX's and everyone has one, then maybe your dumber then I thought.

Most of your posts are bashing PS3 or PS3 fanboys, trying to make yourself look non fanboy, by pointing out my fanboy remark. Making yourself look unbiased. Truth is NATO, you are a big 360 fanboy, thats obvious. And you skew your arguments and point out all the 360 fanboy arguments. Your as bad as the rest of them. At least I acknowleged my fanboyism is my post.


Doesnt even make sense for me to be voted off the page in that post. My post was entirely relevant to this article. I was simply stating why I agreed with pachters point of view. Typical Joystiq comment page tho. Fernando could have come in and brought something totally unrelated and no one would care. PS3 fanboy comments and NATO and his troops come in and decide to shit on things.

fanboy rant / over

Posted: May 12th 2008 3:56PM Duke said

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Very funny stuff.

Now, I do like my 360 quite a bit, and then I like the PS3, and then the Wii. That's how it is in my house. Now, that doesn't make me a fanboy, because I generally say what I think about each as it comes. Sometimes that’s positive about the 360 and negative on Sony, or the opposite. (Example: Just said I liked VP and I also liked Warhawk and the GT series.) Usually it doesn’t matter that the competitor exists when talking about an issue or a game- as is usually the case.

(BTW- my point about the sales was that there would be more PS3 sales now as they are the newer kid on the block, and hence there would be less people buying the 360 in comparison. You blow off facts like those of us who have multiple systems, or that there are ups and downs in an electronic pieces sales life. Oh, and of course, there is no victor in your little console war as they all make a lot of money no matter how much you say they can't/won't/don't simply because you don't support them.)

You call yourself a fanboy, and now you are mad about being shown another point of view. I don’t have to be blindly loyal to one machine, to cry when someone doesn't like it. I do bash the hell out of the PS3 fanboys, because every damn post is the same crap over and over about how the PS3 is going to destroy the others and the 360 will be gone, and the Wii is a short trend to soon die. (Yes, this article is about that, but head over to one on a 360 game or a wii game and there it will be, out of place, and full of statistics and puffed up junk to sound like you’re backing the king in his march to victory.)

Now, all that said, I agree the PS2 is a great machine, was top of its class last generation and sold/sells great, but this idea that you have to buy one console (the PS3) and piss on the others is f*cking lame.

I'm glad I can enjoy all three new consoles without having to spend my time defending why I ignore using the other brands. Further, If I had to be associated to one side of this fake “console war” you all believe exists, I sure as hell am happy to not be on your side. Do you seriously think the 360 fanboys say the amount of bs the sony ones do? Of course you do, cause you are one of them. But I don't see it nearly as much.

Also, I truly am not concerned with your opinion of my intellect.
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Posted: May 12th 2008 4:12PM Duke said

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OMG that was a long reply from me. WTF. We are all pissing in the wind with this crap anyway.
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Posted: May 12th 2008 3:12PM (Unverified) said

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The PS3 is still a disappointment as a gaming machine, I don't see the PS3 leading in sales fluke happening again until MGS 4 drops.

Posted: May 12th 2008 4:44PM MagicCarpetRide said

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Eat my ass Pachter

Posted: May 12th 2008 5:35PM CarlitosColon said

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The PS3's been selling shit numbers and it has a lower install base, of course it'll get a bigger bump of GTAIV sales. I could've predicted that. Where's my money?

Posted: May 13th 2008 12:46AM (Unverified) said

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i'm sorry, but we can only pay you in theoretical dollars.
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Posted: May 13th 2008 1:32AM unboring said

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except ps3 outsold 360 for all of 2007 on a global level selling over a million more units and has far outpaced 360 this year. Where do you guys get this assumption that the PS3 is selling poorly.
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Posted: May 13th 2008 1:57PM (Unverified) said

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This guy here is a complete fanboy. I watched a video interview with a panel with Patcher in it. He would completely downplay the downloadable episodic content say something like, "We don't even now what it is. It could just be map packs."

I'm not sure what is difficult to understand about the word "Episodic" but, I guess he couldn't grasp the definition. Then in the same discussion he said that most gamers wouldn't even finish the game (GTA4). This leads me to believe that he knew the content was episodic and, is just trying to prevent himself for saying absolutely anything positive about the 360.

Posted: May 14th 2008 10:19AM SamuelK said

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Gametrailers has Patcher as a guest on a lot of their panel features, and I have yet to see him make an accurate prediction.

I'm not sure if he actually plays games, but even if he does, he definitely doesn't have a good idea of how gamers think.

Posted: May 15th 2008 7:20PM (Unverified) said

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So the numbers are out....




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