So, there's this game called Metal Gear Solid 4 ... it's apparently a big deal for the PlayStation 3. Well, above is the movie-style trailer (with movie-voice guy) for those interested in watching it. No pressure. Watch it, don't watch it. We wish there was more we could do to generate hype for this indie title made in some guy named Hijeo KoshimaHideo Kojima's garage on a shoe-string budget.
After the break you'll find three ads involving MGS4. It's really nice to see Sony taking an interest in this title. It warms our cockles to see a giant corporation give support to a game featuring geriatrics at war.
A. This is the internet. Grow a thicker armor or go away.
B. I readily admit I'm an asshole. It's fun.
C. Original poster essentially insulted an entire nation and I say he should die painfully, and I'm the asshole? I guess comments like "fuck the chinese" is perfectly acceptable to you, just so long as no one wishes death upon the person who said that.
There aren't rules to the internet. We are not talking hacker code of ethics or anything. If you flame, you should expect flames back. Die in a Fire is relatively tame, actually. You should try Xbox Live sometime. So as I said before, if you take ANYTHING said on the internet seriously or get hurt in any way, grow some thicker armor or go away. There is always a group of people ready to flame you right back.
Now, how exactly didn't the original post insult an entire nation of developers? Let me repeat the statement here...
"Okay, further proof that Japan and Drama do not mix. They should stick to cheerleaders and a bouncy plumber."
So basically he's insulted Japanese developers as a whole based on something that the developer himself (Kojima for those out of the know) readily admits is silly and excessive. Japan and Drama do not mix is insulting enough and devalues the nation as a whole. But they should stick to cheerleaders and a bouncy plumber? Games that represent, maybe, .0001% of Japanese developed games? There are actually more US deved cheerleading games than Japanese developed ones and somehow this is to be used as an insult? HOW IN THE HOLY HELL is this not an attack, en masse, to Japan and their developers? How can you explain that?
And then you use my post as an attack against me. Did you read my post or just write it off as "tee hee, he's insulting as well." My post was in response to the general bashing of the actual TVs which are very typical for Japanese game ads.
As I said, it's too bad we don't have some sort of cultural differences we could blame for the Japanese MGS4 ads not connecting with many posters here. A damn shame, really.
And I know, die in a fire is truly excessive... but c'mon. How do you know I'm not Grand Theft Autophorically speaking? I've died in a fire many times in that game....
I am going with Sir Fid on this one, It has nothing to do with JPN vs USA game stories, its Video Game stories in general, are really not as good as they could be.
I will say, as a whole, I am much more impressed with JPN story-telling, especailly in jrpg's, than western games.
when it comes down to it, Is Halo, or Mass Effect, or any other western game a REALLY good story?? ME tells it very well, but the nuts and bolts is just re-tred space drama.
Exactly and there's nothing wrong with enjoying a game while laughing at its plot. What's sad are the self-brainwashed that take the plot and characters seriously and actually think there's an iota of quality in there. The games ARE FUN and SILLY...but genius? What all games should strive to be? The epitome of good story telling and character development?! Really!? REALLY!? When I was 8 or 9 and played the first metal gear on nes..yeah, i was too young to know the difference.
Here's a test. Show some clips of MGS to someone that doesn't know who doesn't play video games...see if they laugh at it or not. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. And saying "yeah, but western games don't have good stories either..." is changing the subject. The subject is about metal gear. Nobody has good story telling...let's be honest. But this game literally pickles itself in its story (and forces the players to do the same) and obviously doesn't know when to stop.
There are game with good plots, its just that a game with a good plot can often mean less gaming, or the plot goes overboard, much like FF7.
Persoanlly I like a game with a story, not that I don't like games without one, but the story adds a bit more reasoning as to why you are wasting time doing whatever you are doing in the first place. If the game is anything like GTA4, then even if life is pointless and your mission is pointless, who cares, at least you had fun while doing it. But its when we go into all the hero sylvester stallone one man army rubbish that gets me annoyed.
Whatever happened to the days when characters didn't need to be male or have an 8 pack in order to be a hero. What happened to Gordan Freeman days?
"Whatever happened to the days when characters didn't need to be male or have an 8 pack in order to be a hero"
I don't think that period ever existed, to be honest.
I agree with JFK, stories in video games tend to be poor, even embarrassing at times. It's hard to argue with that.
But there are small incremental steps being made, and the MGS has always tried. I'd rather pay for a game that tries to aim higher than another that relies on backwards thinking or nostalgia, and such.
If I had a PS3 I'd surely get this. But I'll wait for the inevitable Wii port...
Yes it is. I think most people with PS3s were anticipating it very much.
BUT that was until now, now that we've all read that you think these are bad, I don't think any of us will be buying it anymore. Thank you for saving us from a grievous error.
Nice logic champ...you forgot to mention that this ad is clearly trying to mimic western style ads. This just in...it's not "bad translation" it's "bad product."
Keep making excuses though, they make you sound real intelligent. Blame the audience, it's their fault.
PLEASE DESIST! This thread is not for fans of MGS4, this is a forum for all those who don't even own a PS3 to come in and tell us how unimpressed they are by anything they see and how they won't be buying it.
Wow that's kinda funny coming from you since you have absolutely no problem going into 360 threads and bashing Microsoft/xbox games/xbox fanboys yet when someone does it to sony you get all defensive about it and start whining.
My advice: If you can't take the shit you yourself dish out, might as well not talk shit at all.
sorry el serpiente i dont know how to reply =´P im new here. the thing is i dont have ps3 just ps2 x´D im happy with my 360 for now, but il get one ps3 wen ff XIII come out.i just saw the movie i dindt read the title i just was kinda exited about the ninja thing i was not trying anything =´P sorry if i said something worng. I dont speak english so sorry about any grammar errors. peace \o/ x´D
oh! loool i see x´D I still have a lot to learn =´P im from portugal sorry about all that then, im a school dropout =´P so all the inglish i have learnd is from tvshows.anyway the game is going to be awesome =´) take care
The biggest problem I see here is that they're trying to make the story accessible to people who have never heard of MGS before...which it isn't. Also, it seems like they're going for the "THIS SUMMER" action movie vibe, especially with LaFontaine. These things just don't fit with the series at all...it's like they're handpicking the cheesiest dialogue. Too bad, cool new footage though.
"Your body is approaching its limit. ...And so is my outfit." Maybe, one day in the not-too-distant future, the games indusrty will be capable of creating female characters that aren't just there for T&A.
"THIS SUMMER... you will watch CUTSCENE after CUTSCENE!"
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Hashbrown Hunter @ May 14th 2008 4:12AM
That regain ad is immensely awesome.
Esat Dedezade @ May 14th 2008 4:13AM
Is Mr Movie guy voice the same person they use for every single movie advert? They all sound exactly the same.. and kind of cheesy.
aristokrat @ May 14th 2008 1:48PM
His name is Don LaFontaine, and he is the preeminent trailer voice-over actor.
Paul (PSN: heypaul) @ May 14th 2008 3:06PM
I think that's Hal Douglas, actually.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbFuNQwTbs
But yeah, him and Don LaFontaine are the two big guys - and they're expensive. I wonder if Sony/Konami could've spent that budget better elsewhere.
rTwelve @ May 14th 2008 4:14AM
LaFontaine made this thing seem like a B-movie, lol
Brodie-san @ May 14th 2008 4:28AM
"Get that cat out of here!"
17765 @ May 14th 2008 4:32AM
Breaking News: MGS4 to feature extraordinary amounts of characters laughing at one another !
Kizzle @ May 14th 2008 5:00AM
Maybe I'll buy a PS3. Someday.
Esat Dedezade @ May 14th 2008 5:51AM
Maybe I'll Bugatti Veyron... someday.
But I'm going to be honest, I don't think that will ever happen.
I can see myself possibly buying a PS3 though, depending on whether or not it has a price drop before stand alone blu ray players drop in price.
Rususeruru @ May 14th 2008 5:59AM
Mmmmm Bugatti Veyron, who needs a game system when you have 1000 horsepower?
Trippy Haps @ May 14th 2008 6:06AM
Though it was a little cheesy...
...That first ad made my Snake quite Solid.
Esat Dedezade @ May 14th 2008 6:38AM
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Maverick Saturn @ May 14th 2008 7:13AM
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DangerMouse @ May 14th 2008 10:47AM
!!!
chris @ May 14th 2008 6:17AM
Okay, further proof that Japan and Drama do not mix. They should stick to cheerleaders and a bouncy plumber.
This might of been cool when I was 13, but . . . the cheese factor exceeds my adult limit by 3
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 8:17AM
Yes, because Western Developers got that whole drama + games shit locked up... like Unreal Tournament, Halo, or Splinter Cell.
Seriously, die in a fire.
chris @ May 14th 2008 9:47AM
Nice Cherry picking Mr. Wrong.
Why didn't you put up Mortal Kombat as proof of Americas inability to tell a story.
And, wait, how many good dramas came out of Japan? Not fun to play, but good stories?!
Oh, the robot/monster/zombie has captured/taken over the scientest/girl friend/facility
yeah. . .thats what I thought.
Esat Dedezade @ May 14th 2008 9:22AM
I really think its bad taste for people to tell other people to die, even if they don't mean it.
seriously, its not cool and you look like an asshole. There's just no need.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 9:40AM
A. This is the internet. Grow a thicker armor or go away.
B. I readily admit I'm an asshole. It's fun.
C. Original poster essentially insulted an entire nation and I say he should die painfully, and I'm the asshole? I guess comments like "fuck the chinese" is perfectly acceptable to you, just so long as no one wishes death upon the person who said that.
Esat Dedezade @ May 14th 2008 9:54AM
Apologies for not realising the rules of the internet Mr Wong, I clearly didn't realise you were the authority on the whole internet.
Oh and he didn't insult a whole nation. By your own logic your post a few posts below this are on par with his.
Who the fuck do you think you are?
Esat Dedezade @ May 14th 2008 9:57AM
I apologise. Having read through what I posted I have realised that there was no need for me to coment on your 'die in a fire comment'.
Sure I find it in bad taste, but I should have just ignored it. I'm not perfect and there was no need to comment on it.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 10:10AM
*sigh*
REALLY?!?
There aren't rules to the internet. We are not talking hacker code of ethics or anything. If you flame, you should expect flames back. Die in a Fire is relatively tame, actually. You should try Xbox Live sometime. So as I said before, if you take ANYTHING said on the internet seriously or get hurt in any way, grow some thicker armor or go away. There is always a group of people ready to flame you right back.
Now, how exactly didn't the original post insult an entire nation of developers? Let me repeat the statement here...
"Okay, further proof that Japan and Drama do not mix. They should stick to cheerleaders and a bouncy plumber."
So basically he's insulted Japanese developers as a whole based on something that the developer himself (Kojima for those out of the know) readily admits is silly and excessive. Japan and Drama do not mix is insulting enough and devalues the nation as a whole. But they should stick to cheerleaders and a bouncy plumber? Games that represent, maybe, .0001% of Japanese developed games? There are actually more US deved cheerleading games than Japanese developed ones and somehow this is to be used as an insult? HOW IN THE HOLY HELL is this not an attack, en masse, to Japan and their developers? How can you explain that?
And then you use my post as an attack against me. Did you read my post or just write it off as "tee hee, he's insulting as well." My post was in response to the general bashing of the actual TVs which are very typical for Japanese game ads.
THIS is a Japanese Gears of War promo...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34cQez8XesI
As I said, it's too bad we don't have some sort of cultural differences we could blame for the Japanese MGS4 ads not connecting with many posters here. A damn shame, really.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 10:13AM
And I know, die in a fire is truly excessive... but c'mon. How do you know I'm not Grand Theft Autophorically speaking? I've died in a fire many times in that game....
PojoMofo @ May 14th 2008 10:13AM
I am going with Sir Fid on this one, It has nothing to do with JPN vs USA game stories, its Video Game stories in general, are really not as good as they could be.
I will say, as a whole, I am much more impressed with JPN story-telling, especailly in jrpg's, than western games.
when it comes down to it, Is Halo, or Mass Effect, or any other western game a REALLY good story?? ME tells it very well, but the nuts and bolts is just re-tred space drama.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 10:20AM
Yay! We've derailed a thread with excellence.
Okay, yeah, I can be extreme sometimes. I apologize.
Maverick Saturn @ May 14th 2008 7:14AM
These ads remind me of 'Teeth'
That movie is hilarious, and the worst part is it takes itself seriously instead of being the comedy it was set out to be.
Jfk Aok @ May 14th 2008 10:25AM
Exactly and there's nothing wrong with enjoying a game while laughing at its plot. What's sad are the self-brainwashed that take the plot and characters seriously and actually think there's an iota of quality in there. The games ARE FUN and SILLY...but genius? What all games should strive to be? The epitome of good story telling and character development?! Really!? REALLY!? When I was 8 or 9 and played the first metal gear on nes..yeah, i was too young to know the difference.
Here's a test. Show some clips of MGS to someone that doesn't know who doesn't play video games...see if they laugh at it or not. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
And saying "yeah, but western games don't have good stories either..." is changing the subject. The subject is about metal gear. Nobody has good story telling...let's be honest. But this game literally pickles itself in its story (and forces the players to do the same) and obviously doesn't know when to stop.
Maverick Saturn @ May 14th 2008 10:37AM
There are game with good plots, its just that a game with a good plot can often mean less gaming, or the plot goes overboard, much like FF7.
Persoanlly I like a game with a story, not that I don't like games without one, but the story adds a bit more reasoning as to why you are wasting time doing whatever you are doing in the first place. If the game is anything like GTA4, then even if life is pointless and your mission is pointless, who cares, at least you had fun while doing it. But its when we go into all the hero sylvester stallone one man army rubbish that gets me annoyed.
Whatever happened to the days when characters didn't need to be male or have an 8 pack in order to be a hero. What happened to Gordan Freeman days?
Nigeria @ May 14th 2008 12:49PM
"Whatever happened to the days when characters didn't need to be male or have an 8 pack in order to be a hero"
I don't think that period ever existed, to be honest.
I agree with JFK, stories in video games tend to be poor, even embarrassing at times. It's hard to argue with that.
But there are small incremental steps being made, and the MGS has always tried. I'd rather pay for a game that tries to aim higher than another that relies on backwards thinking or nostalgia, and such.
If I had a PS3 I'd surely get this. But I'll wait for the inevitable Wii port...
Sesur @ May 14th 2008 8:13AM
I did not expect all of these to be bad... is this still considered one of those "AAA" titles PS3 fans are anticipating?
el serpiente @ May 14th 2008 10:38AM
Yes it is. I think most people with PS3s were anticipating it very much.
BUT that was until now, now that we've all read that you think these are bad, I don't think any of us will be buying it anymore. Thank you for saving us from a grievous error.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 8:21AM
Wow, Japanese ads not connecting with American audiences, who'da fucking thought? I wish there was some cultural differences we could blame this on.
Jfk Aok @ May 14th 2008 10:17AM
Nice logic champ...you forgot to mention that this ad is clearly trying to mimic western style ads. This just in...it's not "bad translation" it's "bad product."
Keep making excuses though, they make you sound real intelligent. Blame the audience, it's their fault.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ May 14th 2008 10:21AM
Really? When was the last time you saw a Red Bull ad powering up Marcus Fenix from GOW?
Jfk Aok @ May 14th 2008 10:29AM
Either you replied to the wrong post or you're an idiot because you certainly didn't rebuttal my comment, honey.
Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ May 14th 2008 1:37PM
Wong. I think he was talking about the first ad. The one with Movie guy.
theberlindoctor @ May 14th 2008 8:46AM
Is brown the only color palette available?
Ninjakamster (PSN: Chin-Poh) @ May 14th 2008 8:50AM
For this gen of gaming, pretty much. Lets hope more games in the future can use all the colors of the rainbow.
theberlindoctor @ May 14th 2008 9:22AM
Use of all colors must be reserved for Nintendo titles - in which case, it is mandatory to have all colors on the screen at the same time.
Gaucho @ May 14th 2008 9:45AM
he he . . . "cockles"
HayabusaByakuya @ May 14th 2008 10:35AM
O.O this game is awesome =´P raiden looks like gray fox this is so cool =´D
el serpiente @ May 14th 2008 10:43AM
PLEASE DESIST! This thread is not for fans of MGS4, this is a forum for all those who don't even own a PS3 to come in and tell us how unimpressed they are by anything they see and how they won't be buying it.
Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ May 14th 2008 4:30PM
Wow that's kinda funny coming from you since you have absolutely no problem going into 360 threads and bashing Microsoft/xbox games/xbox fanboys yet when someone does it to sony you get all defensive about it and start whining.
My advice: If you can't take the shit you yourself dish out, might as well not talk shit at all.
WiNG [Life in a Game] @ May 14th 2008 11:01AM
STRIIIIIIIIDEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I swear I can't look at stem-legged walking robots armed with guns anymore.
And just think how far I can make it into Empire Strikes Back before screaming STRIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR!!!!
HayabusaByakuya @ May 14th 2008 11:46AM
sorry el serpiente i dont know how to reply =´P im new here. the thing is i dont have ps3 just ps2 x´D im happy with my 360 for now, but il get one ps3 wen ff XIII come out.i just saw the movie i dindt read the title i just was kinda exited about the ninja thing i was not trying anything =´P sorry if i said something worng. I dont speak english so sorry about any grammar errors. peace \o/ x´D
el serpiente @ May 14th 2008 11:57AM
I wasn't giving you shit, homey. Just being sarcastic. Doesn't translate well oustide of english.
What is your native language??
Hayabusa_sama @ May 14th 2008 12:08PM
oh! loool i see x´D I still have a lot to learn =´P im from portugal sorry about all that then, im a school dropout =´P so all the inglish i have learnd is from tvshows.anyway the game is going to be awesome =´) take care
el serpiente @ May 14th 2008 12:12PM
Me desculpa. Bem vindo! Nao falo portugues.
Toasty @ May 14th 2008 2:18PM
The biggest problem I see here is that they're trying to make the story accessible to people who have never heard of MGS before...which it isn't. Also, it seems like they're going for the "THIS SUMMER" action movie vibe, especially with LaFontaine. These things just don't fit with the series at all...it's like they're handpicking the cheesiest dialogue. Too bad, cool new footage though.
Jamie @ May 14th 2008 3:40PM
"Your body is approaching its limit. ...And so is my outfit." Maybe, one day in the not-too-distant future, the games indusrty will be capable of creating female characters that aren't just there for T&A.
"THIS SUMMER... you will watch CUTSCENE after CUTSCENE!"