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*waits to get voted down by Nintendo fanboys*

It's just a gimmick, like the console itself. Just like the Wii you'll have lots of people rush to get it one, but once the newness of the gimmick wears off they realize that the experience is actually pretty hollow.

Honestly as a man who has owned a Wii for about a year, I have to agree.

It's a shame too, because I used to love Nintendo, I have an NES, SNES, N64, GB, GBC, GBA, and a DS. And this is the first time I've ever regretted buying a Nintendo product.

I understand that Nintendo wants to bring gaming to a new audience or whatnot, but what ever happened to giving something to the guys who have been there since the beginning, the "hardcore" audience.

I have 3 games for my Wii beyond Wii Sports, Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3, and RE4. Beyond those games I can't think of anything else on the system that interests me, "casual" games just bore me, they have no depth, nothing to keep them interesting for more than 15 minutes.

I miss the old Nintendo :(

They're in the business of making money. Despite all the massive hardware sales numbers, none of the Wii's titles have done any better than the best GC titles sales-wise. Which shows you the true ability of the console to move games once the hype/gimmick wears off. If it weren't for the hype/gimmick factor luring in people who wouldn't normally buy games (and who don't by many after that initial purchase), it would be the gamecube all over again.

"It's just a gimmick, like the console itself. Just like the Wii you'll have lots of people rush to get it one, but once the newness of the gimmick wears off they realize that the experience is actually pretty hollow."

Don't you ever get tired saying that? Your fingers must hurt from typing it out so much. Oh wait, you've probably got it saved on a notepad so you can copy and paste it for easier access.

I've got macros for my macros!

as a man that has owned a wii since launch, i played metroid prime 3 for 9 hours this past weekend.

"as a man that has owned a wii since launch, i played metroid prime 3 for 9 hours this past weekend."

Apparently you didn't infact read my entire post. Because MP3 is one of the games I said I have and I enjoyed, along with TP and RE4. My only point was that for "hardcore" gamers on the Wii, it's slim pickings, and as someone who doesn't find "casual" games interesting I sincerely regret buying my Wii.

then clearly the Wii isn't meant for "hardcore" gamers at this point - that hasn't been stated enough for you guys at this point in its life cycle?

Just return the thing if you don't like it or regret it. Then you can play the games on the system you want. Or do you own it so you can bring up that fact while you troll it?

Don't worry - just because it's crushing the competition in sales doesn't mean it's better. Your systems still have the games you want, so they're winners in your eyes right? Why care about the masses? Most hardcore gamers are pretty elitist anyway

I bought the Wii based on Nintendo's track record. I expected that as a fan of Nintendo products my entire life that they would continue offering a solid lineup of "hardcore" games for people like me. Obviously since they are trying to appeal to a wider audience I expected that there would be a good portion of "casual" games too. But I never expected that they would more or less abandon their "hardcore" audience all together.

And I could care less if Nintendo is crushing the competition in sales, as long as there IS competition I am happy. What I think is funny about this entire thing is that I do not consider myself a "hardcore" gamer, I just like games where when I play I can be engaged in the story and the atmosphere of it all.

Just because I have more than 15 or so minutes to sit down and play a game when I want to doesn't mean I am "hardcore".

Their track record for those types of games really ends at Zelda and Metroid. The other majors (Mario, MKart, Smash) don't really have much of a story - it's really all about the gameplay. So it's really the third parties who can really keep you happy w/ Nintendo systems at this point, and if the Cube was any indication, you probably shouldn't have bought a Wii.

I don't consider myself hardcore at all (glad to be separated from that crowd at this point to be honest) but I can play a lot of those games for more than 15 minutes and have a good time. If I'm lookin for a story, then I fire up something else that I haven't already beaten.

You might be inclined to fire it up for Mad World or The Conduit. Have you checked out No More Heroes? If you missed out on Okami, you could grab that one as well.

I agree. I thought the eyetoy was pretty damn neat, but it only got used 3 or 4 times. I think of that when i think of most add-ons, they're fun and interesting but at the end of the day, they're still gimmicks.

"but what ever happened to giving something to the guys who have been there since the beginning, the "hardcore" audience."

Huh?! Nintendo has been going crazy with the hardcore fanservice this gen.
Super Mario Galaxy which was a nostalgia trip in-and-of itself, realistic Zelda, BRAWL, Mario Kart going back to the basics (even though it's kinda half baked) and Kid Icarus is supposedly coming back. As a Nintendo fan, I've never been more pleased with their output.

Now, if by "hardcore audience" you mean the people who during the N64 and GC days called Nintendo "kiddy" and said they were to mature, etc, for their games and generally refused to buy them, then...well...fuck those guys. They left Nintendo first and made no bones about it.
What reason is there for Nintendo give "those people" anything?

"Now, if by "hardcore audience" you mean the people who during the N64 and GC days called Nintendo "kiddy" and said they were to mature, etc, for their games and generally refused to buy them, then...well...fuck those guys."

Hear Hear.

I'm so sick of this argument. Get over it, the casual market is a bigger audience. But if getting more casual players to buy consoles pushes more players towards story-driven, more epic games then I say "Fuck yeah". The more people buying games the more money in the industry. Maybe then dev's will be more willing to develop riskier games. Not just another platformer, racing game, FPS, but something new. Break a paradigm or two. Nintendo made the console with a vision. They've front-loaded it with some pretty decent software. It's time for 3rd-party to come to bat with something more than a port.

As an aside, there's no reason that a product as versatile as a game console can't satisfy more than one market. I've had a Wii since day one, and I play at least 4-10 hours a week on it. Maybe not "Hardcore" but I enjoy it. Why oh why is it a personal affront to you if someone buys a game you don't like, or even a million someones. Go buy something else.

But Chaos, their argument is that with the success of Casual gaming, Hardcore gaming will die off.

You know, even though we've recieved absolute shitloads of highest-rated-games in the last few years... hell a few came from Ninty themselves.

"their argument is that with the success of Casual gaming, Hardcore gaming will die off."

My point is that this a stupid argument. This isn't diluting a market it's expanding it. There are people all over who had stopped playing video games or never have that are now paying them. Who gives a shit what their playing. A housewife may never play a Halo or Bioshock, but she may turn to a SMG, or a Katamari, or Okami once being exposed through Wii Sports or Wii Fit. This can only be good for the industry.

"They're in the business of making money. Despite all the massive hardware sales numbers, none of the Wii's titles have done any better than the best GC titles sales-wise."

Uh, maybe that's because the system's been out less than half the period that the Gamecube had been out.

Also, I suggest you check the data again - while third parties aren't doing that well on the Wii, they're sure as hell doing better than they were on the Gamecube, and the first party offerings (talking about the 'core' ones here, you know, Zelda, Galaxy, Corruption, Brawl, etc) are selling as well, or better, than their GC predecessors.

Same here. The amount they've been shipping is ridiculous isn't it?

I got my overnight from Amazon, but it'll take two days. UPS got the package at 8pm on the 19th, and it'll be here on the 21st.

gar I meant gamecube era.

No. You didn't whine about how Nintendo abandoned you; nor did you use the word 'waggle' in a derogative way.

Wow... I actually almost raged.

That is some damn fine good sarcasm pal.

I'm not being sarcastic. Nintendo is contributing greatly to the death of the Core gaming experience here! I mean, how many blockbuster, AAA, rating-list-topping games have we had since the Wii came out? This glorified scale shit has got to go. Speaking of, I'd better not invest in television anymore, shits just a glorified Lite-Brite

Anyone who dares argue with my opinion is wrong, is what you've been sounding like for a while now - nice to hear you finally come out and basically say it.

I'm out of college, own all three systems (and many systems from generations before it), and still don't see where the hell you're coming at.

Wait, you're right, it is geared towards that audience - and just about everyone in-between. As corny as that sounds, I wouldn't call it inaccurate.