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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:07PM Dirty said

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nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:18PM (Unverified) said

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SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKEEEE
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:26PM (Unverified) said

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AAAAAAAH HO HO HOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYyyyyyyy...
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Posted: May 29th 2008 8:28PM BigEd said

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:03PM aStagnantSleep said

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LOUD NOISES!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:03PM (Unverified) said

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COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:16PM (Unverified) said

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PENIS!!!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:28PM (Unverified) said

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hey GUISE, WE ARE MAKING A GAME BUT WE WONT RELEASE IT UNTIL THE YEAR 2010 or 2011

just stupid..
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:30PM JoshMilewski said

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SAKURAAAAAIIIII!!!!!
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Posted: May 30th 2008 11:09AM (Unverified) said

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Looks like we're screwed and theres nothing we can do.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 10:09PM (Unverified) said

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KAMEHAMEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 10:18PM snarfoogle said

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WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Posted: May 29th 2008 10:42PM (Unverified) said

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NEW AND EXCITING!!!!!!

OR MAYBE NOT THE SECOND PART!!!!one!
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Posted: May 30th 2008 12:28AM KeenCommander said

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MAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDNNNESSSSSS!!!
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Posted: May 30th 2008 1:45AM Cupajoe said

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KAAAAAAANADAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Posted: May 30th 2008 8:25AM xGearSecondx said

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BAAAZOOOOKAAAAA!!!!
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Posted: May 30th 2008 11:23AM (Unverified) said

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CAAAAAAAAAAAKEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATS?!!?!?!
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Posted: May 30th 2008 11:47AM Levi Partridge said

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TETSUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:10PM (Unverified) said

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And so the plague begins.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:17PM rTwelve said

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This comment works well, underneath all the ones above us.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:22PM (Unverified) said

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Hahaha you're right it does :P
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:10PM ChooChooCharlie said

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This doesn't necessarily mean the game will be bad. I'm sure they're just doing this to guarantee sales figures higher than those for BG&E. More "casual" games can still be good.

The "hardcore" gamer (aka - game blog readers) already knows about the sequel, but introduce a heavy ad campaign targeted at the casual market and they should see a significant increase in sales. I think it's a smart move.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:13PM Shagittarius said

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Selling out is never a smart move. Lucrative yes, smart, no.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:28PM ChooChooCharlie said

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I wouldn't say they're selling out. It's just that this time around they won't be taking any risks financially. Maybe if more people had bought the first game, this wouldn't be the case.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:31PM Shagittarius said

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Thats what I want "safe" game designs. Government approved Gaming. We're game deisgners against the hard-core.

Suck Satans Cock!
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:39PM TacoHell said

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So Shaggy, your angry at them because they want their game to sell and not be the financial disaster, although an amazing financial disaster, that was the first one?
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Posted: May 29th 2008 8:52PM (Unverified) said

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The first one would have sold just fine if they MARKETED IT properly. It got glowing reviews and everyone who ever played it still sings its praises to this day. The problem is not accessibility- the problem is exposure.

If they re-released the original BGE with next-gen graphics, and gave it the same marketing push as say... assassin's creed or raving rabbids, they would make every penny they deserve. Instead they're bending over to the wii-generation.. "Hey, people really love these mini-games, lets make another!"
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Posted: May 29th 2008 9:35PM SheppyReturns said

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well then, eldee, explain how the original Sands of Time also flopped down and failed and it had a TON more exposure. Didn't they even try to push BG&E by giving free copies with the purchase of Splinter Cell or Prince of Persia?
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Posted: May 29th 2008 11:52PM (Unverified) said

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The word "elitist" is almost as over used as the word "hyperbole" here on Joystiq
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Posted: May 30th 2008 12:03AM (Unverified) said

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Wong: Simple, it didn't flop. It's easy to make shit up on the internet but here's some simple logic- If the original PoP 'rebirth' game flopped, why did they make two sequels and pique the interest of Jerry Bruckheimer and his piles of cash? I don't have the sales data for Sands of Time, but I can guarantee that it didn't "flop" as you say it did. Warrior Within didn't do as well as Sands of Time, that may be what you're thinking of- but it hardly flopped either.

Marketing muscle can make or break any game, good or bad. It's why we've got so many shitty mini-games and ports on the wii, and why people still line up to see garfield movies. If you pump enough cash into advertising, people will buy what you're selling. Case Closed.
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Posted: May 30th 2008 9:17AM jquadman said

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As I remember it, Pop: SoT did not sell well during its initial holiday release, but the game had legs and ended up doing just fine. However, I think that's more to do with the glut of great games in Q4 than marketing prowess.

As for BG&E, the marketing got to me (you had to find clues hidden on the IGN website), but none of my friends had ever heard of it (and the game dropped to $20 in 3 months).

The writing was on the wall then. If a game is going to be successful by todays standards, you've got to appeal to the lowest common denominator. The hardcore alone cannot cement the kind of sales numbers publishers are looking for. Hopefully that means clever marketing as opposed to a complete dumbing down of games as we know it.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:13PM NO DOUBT GET LOUD said

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Imagine: Beyondz Goodz andz Evilz CONFIRMED TITLE


...Just kidding


..Hopefully
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Posted: May 29th 2008 8:21PM (Unverified) said

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What if it were a sims-type game where Jade decorates her new apartment?
Title?
Bed, Bath & Beyond Good and Evil.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 8:53PM (Unverified) said

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Worst Review Ever:

Hahaha that was fucking awesome
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Posted: May 30th 2008 1:11AM SoCoolCurt said

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lol @ WRE.

that is hilarious.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:15PM SheppyReturns said

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Isn't Mario Galaxy approachable by anyone? Did that ruin the game? The fact that it's one of the few Wii games I've completely should be self evident.

My only concern at this point, and I know this is a nitpicky thing that nothing is known about, is Jade is less dressed than in the original. I fear she's going tank top on us which would suck but this is also a dry desert and not the humid sea breezed chilled local of the first. That's the only place I want to judge this because Jade's design was flawless and it will be disappointing to see her join the ranks of "tit monsters."
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:21PM ChooChooCharlie said

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Actually, she always had a tank top.

http://www.smokingpermitted.net/images/BGE_ART_02.jpg

I know what you mean, though. It is possible to have a woman character without turning her into Bigtits McGee. Hopefully they keep this in mind.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:25PM Nick the Hero of Canton said

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Yeah. Gaming needs more, strong female leads that don't involve us watching a shaking ass for 20 hours.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:26PM Shagittarius said

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Big Booty Hos, Hump wit' it.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:27PM Ludwig Kietzmann said

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I don't think it ruined Mario Galaxy, but I certainly feel that the game would have been *better* had it been more difficult. I'm not saying making a game more approachable is bad, per se, but the attempt to do so may not please the people who begged for a sequel in the first place.

Unfortunately, Mario Galaxy's success in this regard doesn't rule out BG&E2's potential failure, especially knowing what Ubisoft's idea of a casual game is.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:32PM SheppyReturns said

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I know, but her jacket is missing from the trailer as is majority of her pouches and such. She was never really billed as a sexy female lead. I mean, let's put it this way, THIS is her cover art... http://www.paylessgames.com/catalogimages/24ac938e99381090b48365c0740BeyondGoodAndEvil_full.JPG

Now compare... http://images.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/643/product-61643.jpg
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:36PM (Unverified) said

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I think this just means our hobby is going to be dumbed down to the point where only mindless casuals will play. Probably won't happen entirely for 5, maybe 10 years.

Sure halo and gta sold great...but they would have sold better if they were puppy dog simulators.

Damn you casuals. Damn you all to hell >:(
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:36PM SheppyReturns said

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Okay, I'll grant you that, Ludwig. I just want to remain hopeful that keeping the game approachable means they avoid some of the pitfalls of the first. Such as sometimes not having any directions or punishing the player for failure to meet random challenges rather than giving them a shot at a retry.

I guess it all hinges on what he means by making it approachable. Hopefully it isn't a minigame comp...
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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"I think this just means our hobby is going to be dumbed down to the point where only mindless casuals will play."

That is one of the dumbest slippery slope arguments I keep on seeing on the net and it's actually starting to leave bruises on my face, at the rate I keep seeing it and responding by burying my face into my right palm.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:53PM (Unverified) said

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You can mock it all you want and stupidly hit yourself all you want, but it's happening even if it's slow.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:56PM ChooChooCharlie said

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"Damn you casuals. Damn you all to hell"

What we need to do is bring them over to OUR side. I bought my mom a Wii because she liked playing Wii Sports when I let her try it on mine. Since then, I've steadily introduced her to more and more hardcore games: SM Galaxy, GH3, Twilight Princess, Trauma Center, etc.

She still plays a lot of casual games, but I'm careful to steer her away from the crap.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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I'll keep that in mind. *goes to play one of the fifty thousand epic games that have come out in the last two years*
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Posted: May 29th 2008 7:58PM (Unverified) said

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If that would work with the majority of them I would be glad to do that but most of them just want their retardedly simple, pick up and play with no thought games and that's all. It would be a dream come true if they moved on from wii sports to call of duty 4, but it's not going to happen.
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Posted: May 29th 2008 8:15PM John Z said

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tmac, I want to teach a hamster how to make Baked Alaska, but that ain't happening either. Does that mean all food is going to eventually be little nutripellets? Of course not.

Attention everyone decrying anything casual as a threat to traditional gaming: Some people just aren't going to play the kinds of games we like to play. Our hobby is no longer exclusively our own. This does not degrade the quality of the games that exist nor will it be a bad thing in the long run. Shut up and deal with it by playing the games you like and not pissing off the people who play other stuff.
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