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Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 2:49PM Godmil said

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What is there to call into question? Is there any reason to believe this speaker is going to bring up religion at all in his E3 speech?
And what is his crime? That he didn't disagree with a basic premise of his religion?

I don't hold any of the same beliefs as this guy, but I fail to see what he's done wrong.
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 2:44PM Kadamon said

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I've been reading, and subsequentally commenting, on GP for years. I was also part of the first banning of Jackie-Boy after he called me and a few others Nazi's back it was still Live Journal based.

They're pretty bi-partisan there, if I've got my terminology correct, they're always pretty straightforward in calling out on the mistakes and stupid things that people do when it comes to gaming.

The ESA is part of the gaming community, if they do something stupid, which they have, GP and co. are gonna call them out, and that's what they did.

Maybe if more details came out in the open, they wouldn't be trashed on.

Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 3:03PM LaughingTarget said

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The response doesn't bother responding to the actual question - why is GamePolitics adding words to statements that didn't exist?

Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 3:39PM (Unverified) said

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GP edited the headline and commented on why he did it .
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 5:56PM LaughingTarget said

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How about a real explanation? "We made shit up to attack the competition."
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 3:09PM (Unverified) said

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FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT...

The only thing that would make this more interesting is if these two groups were dressed in bikinis and had to mud wrestle over this issues.

That and they were also a couple of hot chicks.

Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 4:14PM The Albatross said

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I used to be a frequent reader of GamePolitics, but more and more, the site has lost their political expertise and has devolved into a sort of videogame-pandering. The bent is disconnected from reality and very obvious.

I don't have a problem with GamePolitics taking certain more-or-less biased approaches to issues, because it is a blog. However, it is often tries to convey itself as an impartial interpreter of the news, which it is not. It's the same complaint that I have with the NYT/FoxNews, in that they consider themselves either 'the newspaper of record' or 'Fair and Balanced,' which neither of them are. The NYT is arguably the most divisive mainstream newspaper in the country and FoxNews is as unfair and unbalanced as the rest of the television press. The New Republic and National Review do not purport to be anything that they aren't, one leans in one direction and one in the other; they don't pretend to be moderate, but rather, offer specific opinions from a specific perspective. Quid pro quo, it desires ire.

Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 5:05PM koehler83 said

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I think its important to note that Gov. Rick Perry, as a governor, is obviously a political figure. E3 is obviously a gaming media venue. The two obviously fall into the chriteria of gamepolitics.

Now it could be said that GP dropped a 2 year old story to smear the ESA for no reason, but I as a Canadian had no idea that Gov. Rick Perry had such views about me a non-Christian.

As a keynote speaker at E3 Rick Perry will likely be speaking to an enormous audience of people he believes will 'burn in hell'. Not only in the US, but globally. I think its fair to suspect the nature of Christianity to influence Gov. Rick Perry to want to enlighten that audience. Noble a goal though it may be, it's hugely inapproriate and it reflects poorly on the event, the ESA and its members.

It may not have been the most tactful way to bring up a smear, but I think it gives a lot of people, particularly outside the US, a perspective on why the ECA feels Rick Perry is a bad choice for E3. Perhaps even as to why so many members have been jumping ship.

Posted: Jul 16th 2008 6:14PM Mutagenaric said

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Well, personally my Christian upbringing says that if you're a good person, you'll go to heaven. Nothing about only Christians being there. So, maybe his pastor is just a total nutcase, just like anyone else who thinks their religion guarantees a free entry pass to heaven and everyone else goes to hell? That's what it seems like over here, anyways. I'm pretty sure Hindus don't care if you're a Hindu or not, so long as you've got good Karma or whatever.

Also: fair and balanced doesn't mean accurate, let's face it. I'd like an accurate and truthful media more than one that gets every single crazy foaming-at-the-mouth guy off the street to give his view of topic XYZ. And if you're not bringing in the homeless conspiracy theorist to give his opinion, it's not balanced (technically).
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 5:38PM Evan Tribley said

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The ESA spends millions of dollars in penalties to downsize and move E3. It is a failure.

Companies start leaving, en masse.

The ESA response: keynote E3 with a political figure. This is an issue for several reasons. It hasn't been done before, they are taking away a keynote from the gaming industry and giving it to a politician. This politician also happens to have some pretty divisive views, and the only thing he has to do with games is passing tax breaks.

GP has every right to report this. The misquote was a major mistake but it has been *quickly* fixed and admitted.

The title of the site is GAMEPOLITICS, if games and politics mix, you can expect it to end up on this site.

The ESA is nearly irrelevancy and after E3's inevitable failure this year the door might be closing soon.

Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 5:39PM Evan Tribley said

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*nearing irrelevancy*
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Posted: Jun 3rd 2008 7:22PM Ice Cold said

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Actually the ESA is just mad they got caught looks liek teh words were spoken by nut Pastor John Hagee and Gov. Rick Perry affirmed or confirmed Hagee's comments instead of denouncing them.

Ooops.

So what does the ESA do in response? Typical standard PR damage control 101

change the issue and muddy the waters and don't give the real story and more life. So the ESA attacks Game Politics credibility instead. When they should be looking into what Rick Perry actually did.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 12:45AM (Unverified) said

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Not disagreeing is not the same as agreeing. It just means he's a politician.

I rarely (ever?) hear politicians railing against the hatred and ignorance Christians often spout. Why, some of them are almost as bad as politicians.

Hey, Joystiq--next time a prominent politician rails against the ignorance and injustice perpetrated and perpetuated by the Christian Right, please post it. I'll hold my breath.

In the meantime, why don't people who think this is an issue just stop supporting every cause any politician you don't like supports? You don't like Hilary for something she said--and she supports a breast cancer charity? Oh. Well, I guess there must be something wrong with the charity. Sorry, breast cancer victims! You don't like Jerry Lewis because he's insulting and annoying--well, then, sorry kids! We hate you by association. Should have found a better spokesperson...

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 1:32AM (Unverified) said

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All christians believe all non-christians will burn in hell. Its a fundamental teaching of the bible.

Whether they talk, or even think, about it or not, everyone from the most moderate of church of england old ladies to the most firebrand of middle american preachers implicitly believes that christians will go to heaven and others will go to hell.

I'd imagine most other mainstream religions believe the same kind of thing about their god. Goes with the territory.


Do the gods of different nations talk to each other? Do the gods of Chinese cities speak to the ancestors of the Japanese? To the lords of Xibalba? To Allah? Yahweh? Vishnu? Is there some annual get-together where they compare each other's worshippers? Mine will bow their faces to the floor and trace woodgrain lines for me, says one. Mine will sacrifice animals, says another. Mine will kill anyone who insults me, says a third. Here is the question I think of most often: Are there any who can honestly boast, my worshippers obey my good laws, and treat each other kindly, and live simple generous lives? - from The God Whispers of Han Quing-jao.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 1:59AM (Unverified) said

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I think that you would really enjoy the book "American Gods".
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 5:44AM Kadamon said

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@WRE:

I know I did. I love that book, almost everything by Neil is awesome.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 10:48AM (Unverified) said

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My first reaction was that the reporting wasn't fair but then I thought about it and I'm happy GP brought this up. The religious right needs to be called out whenever possible. They have pushed the concept of god back into politics and there needs to be lots of people pushing back.

If you associate with them politically like the ESA then you need to take your lumps when the fur flies.

Posted: Jun 5th 2008 1:56AM (Unverified) said

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Okay, so I happen to be a Christian that does NOT believe that non-christians will go to hell, but here's something I don't understand:

Why do non-christians even care if christians think they're going to hell? If you're not christian, then why do you believe hell applies to you? Muslims can think I'm an infidel and that I will be damned all they want, what do I care?

Likewise, even if other christians believe I'll go to hell (which a lot of them do, for some reason), why should I care about their opinion? My beliefs are mine. And my beliefs happen to be that God is the judge, not them.

Posted: Jun 5th 2008 2:10PM (Unverified) said

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Quote:'The only "problem" with GP is that it is a blog. They present the news.'

Some blogs declare they are news sites, some that they are editorial-commentary. Does GP have a clear declaration of what they are committed to? All I could find is that as a publication of the ECA it servers its membership by being a "game news" site. As a news story, its pretty thin. "News Flash: Christians believe in Heaven and Hell and that your relationship with God makes a difference in your eternal destination. A public figure already known as a Christian didn't deny it when asked." Just seems lame.

Or is the implication that Perry's belief automatically makes him unfit to speak at a gaming convention?
In this case, GP would be divisive for reporting this as if it was of any importance. I'm a gamer and a Christian and I'm not hating on anyone because they don't believe in God or Jesus.

In any case, I think that its cool that a big city mayor would speak at a gaming convention. I think its great that gaming is becoming a recognized recreational pasttime and not just seen as a destructive addiction which is rotting our culture. I wonder if Perry is taking hits from his right-wing supporters for reaching out to us! Good on him for not making easy political capital with reactionaries by having nothing to do with us.

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