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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:49PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks for putting it so succinctly...
It's amazing how these people think racism has been extinguished.
For a second I thought all the smart people on the internet were dead.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:07PM michaspi said

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Black, white, brown, yellow...none of that matters when you become a fucking zombie. People should realize that a zombie is no longer a human being and doesn't give a damn about racism, only brains.

Remember, solanum doesn't segregate. Everybody is equal to a disease.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:21PM Vcize said

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This reminds me of that South Park episode where all the adults think the kids are bad because they support something that is obviously racist to them, yet the kids never looked at it with color of skin on their minds at all so rather than being racist, they were actually being completely un-racist.

So apparently Capcom didn't feel the need to force in a bunch of clips of killing zombies of other ethnicities because they were just looking at it as killing zombies, not killing black zombies. So aren't the people crying "racist" the ones that are actually being racist by judging it based on skin color at all?

Interesting.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:56PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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"So aren't the people crying "racist" the ones that are actually being racist by judging it based on skin color at all?"
Yes.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:45PM (Unverified) said

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ignorance is strong in this one

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:44PM (Unverified) said

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It's official: It has been stated that this game is in fact NOT racial.

Go back to what you were doing we no longer need to discuss this or post or talk about it.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:45PM Manhammer said

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what really sucks is that if this game does indeed have Co-op is thatw e'll hear more of the retarded four year olds screaming "die n****er" over our headsets, and from what I hear MSofts onlne service is notorious for that.
Dont flame me, thats jyst what Ive been told

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:57PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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And this is why this'll be the one game that I don't want online co-op because of that reason.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:58PM Vcize said

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Easy solution there: don't play the co-op with random people. Seriously though, does anyone do this? I understand if you can get 15 friends together for an 8v8 CoD4 match every night, but I would assume everyone is capable of getting together with one other person they know (whether through real life or through XBL) to play co-op.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:18PM (Unverified) said

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Who the hell would play online co-op with random people instead of friends? I've NEVER played Gears with anybody else than a buddy. Same goes for Halo3's 4 player co-op campaign. It's always a private online co-op. C'mon people THINK!!!
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:51PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Its okay to sit there at a PC and say:

"Yeah, thats good, get rid of this racist crap"

But the central reason this caused an uproar in the first place is not just because of a white man shooting black zombies, but the fact that shooting like this already goes on in Africa, black on black violence, Mugabi and his reign of terror, etc etc, its kinda tasteless if you know what I mean, especially being fully aware of the poverty and other issues already in the country, it almost seemed as though Capcom was taking the piss. Its like making a game based on shooting zombie Jews or shooting Zombie Iraqis both during periods where there is already controversy.

Obviously Capcom didn't mean to offend anyone, and we know that, which is why they probably added that female african to neautilize the situation a bit like I assumed they would if they were smart, and as assumed, they did.

But on a positive note, I am overwhelmed with excitement for this game, it looks visually stunning and fun to play, can't wait for release.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:55PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Saying that...

...If a horde of fucking zombies grabbed me and tried to tear my arteries out of my body, eat my brain and pull my limbs from my torso, I wouldn't care if they were black, white, latino, famale, male, made men in the mafia, alien beings, W Bush, the Queen, Gay, bisexual, straight, a child, a baby, a grandparent, a mother of 14 children, my own parents, my own siblings, my own kids, you're getting a bullet through your skull and going to hell ¬_¬
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:56PM (Unverified) said

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I'm actually quite pissed at Capcom for not realising what they've gotten themselves into and also taking so long to address the issue.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 6:26PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, I completely agree. I became politicized through Phil Gourevitch's book "Stories from Rwanda." When I saw this trailer, I didn't think it was racist, but I did think it lacked taste and that it is a clear indication that Africans have no influence over the industrialized world's cultural views or business decisions. So irrelevant are African tragedies to the developed world's mindset that this game can be made.

A story on the Guardian newspaper a while ago reported that about 3-6 million Central Africans have died in warfare there over the past 14 years. Meanwhile, no game can even resemble 9/11 in the slightest, despite that event only claiming about 2,000 lives. And I've read that a Japanese game developer specifically changed their game to avoid possible 9/11 connections.
So there's definitely a double standard going on here, and one that is being influenced by our capitalist world economy.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 2:57PM GreyFox said

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THIS JUST IN

Canadian Football League game features Canadian's! Knee jerk reactionaries are outraged that American coaches are running Canadian players on the field.

"It's like people just forgot the War of 1812" one poster said today.

The CFL has no plans to change the games content in light of this news.



Yeah, you guys calling RE5 racist sound THIS stupid.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:05PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know why joystiq keeps on bringing back up this race topic with RE5. Its the same discussion that goes in a loop.

Black person gets racially sensitive. White person gets offended that black people have a double standard on race issues (often using BET or Black colleges as their example). Then the black guy nitpicks the ignorant portions of the white rant (often defending black colleges as institutions that arent racist). Rinse and repeat, damn yall!!!!

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:15PM Lone Starr said

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*Eagerly awaits N'gai's take on this.*

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:37PM (Unverified) said

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Most of you people don't even understand what racism is. Black people and other minorities cannot be racist against white people because they lack the institutionalized power that whites have. Racism and other forms of oppression are not only about prejudice, they are also about power.

http://theangryblackwoman.wordpress.com/required-reading/

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 3:54PM (Unverified) said

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Racism is Racism.

I've had plenty of black people call me racist names and insults because I'm asian. How do you explain that?

"Black people and other minorities cannot be racist"? Are you frikkin serious?

It doesn't matter who you are or where you're from, racism is evil. You're not entitled to be racist to anybody.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 4:25PM Xohdus said

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Wrong...Racism is one person from another "race" hating another person because he is not of his own "race." Stop treating racism like it is another tool for the "white man" to keep power because that is just stupid and ignorant. I am a white person...big surprise...but wait...I am not racist. In fact I think it is great that our next president is going to be Obama. I think he is a great and charismatic man...and I believe it has gone way too long in this country to not have a "black" man in the White House. I also know a lot of "white" people that feel the same way that I do. So stop treating it like every white person is a racists...because guess what? That is being racists. End of story. Yes slavery was a terrible thing...and yes I feel horrible that it happened. But that was in the past and there is nothing that I could of done to stop it since you know I wasn't born yet. Don't you think it is about time that you let it go...you know your hate for something that didn't even happen to you.
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Posted: Jun 5th 2008 12:33AM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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That's like saying women can't be sexist, or gays can't be intolerant: Just ridiculous. If I've learned anything in the short amount of time I've lived, is that meanery has no limits. Besides(and this part is important) minority is a term that can't fully define a human being. Are the Americann turists I see at work a minority? Or am I a minority when more than two of them are present? Who gives minority status, you? As far as I'm concerned, if it lives in the U.S. for more than 10 years it's American. That's it. I have citizenship, but I do not consider myself American. Not much, anyway...
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 4:18PM Xohdus said

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People...this game is not racists. Bottom line...it is a video game. You guys who have been defending games from the media and now are seeing this game as racist...you are hypocrites. Resident Evil has always been about a virus...the game is in Africa. Africans are then made into Zombies. It is that simple. By fueling the fire from this game it is you gamers who are making more excuses for the media to control games. The only reason this game has so much racist tension is because the people who view this game as racist have racist tendencies themselves. It is that simple. A lot of people, including myself, has viewed the trailers to this game and thought nothing of race what-so-ever until the subject was brought up. It if you guys that saw it and thought "Oh my god a white boy is killing all those black people, this is terrible," that are the racists out there. You guys obviously still feel resentment towards the "white man." I am going to level with you...we weren't those assholes from the past so deal with it. And there is plenty of racism that goes the opposite way. I know that there are plenty of people out there that hate us "white people." Guys racism will always be around as long as we keep seeing people as a different race. I personally don't care what color a person's skin it...it could be green for all I care...but until more people feel that way the truth is racism and hate will be here to stay. So for crying out load all you guys who scream racism take a step back and take a really good look at yourself...because I for one am not the racist here.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 5:09PM (Unverified) said

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re5 is not racist. i cant wait to play it. like all of us. and since this game is made in japan and not in europe or america. we're all putting to much into it. but this part of wonderful american culture.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 11:45PM (Unverified) said

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japanese people can be highly racist. though its often more through ignorance and fear of unknown foreigners than through outright hostility.

I very much doubt this game is racist, not to the degree something like black hawk down was, but I wouldn't be very surprised if it was full of racial stereotypes and pretty insensitive.

Imagine if you had to develop a game based in africa, and the only idea you had about black people came from black hawk down, 50 cent and old Tarzan movies.

ps/ For example, many japanese are amazed when i suggest they should have jury trials, because their only experience of jury trials comes from hollywood movies - where it usually gets corrupted or lets the bad guy go (so steven segal can kill him).
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 5:37PM (Unverified) said

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@animeman_59: Talk about taking someone's comments out of context. I repeat: racism = prejudice + power. If people do not have institutionalized power, they can certainly be prejudiced, but they cannot be racist. Is racism bad? Yes. I never said that it wasn't.

Posted: Jun 5th 2008 10:50AM (Unverified) said

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Institutionalized power? Does that mean you've never heard of a rich, black business man preventing a person of another race from getting a job?

If you want institutionalized power (which really sounds like a fancy way of saying "preference" and "double-standard"), then minorities have the advantage. I live in DC and there were cases where black businessmen would only hire black people, and purposely shun other races. It got taken to court, and you know what the verdict was? He's allowed to do that. He's supposedly helping his fellow man get work, except when he's hispanic, white, or anything else.

Try having that same situation with a white man, or an asian man. Maybe the white business owner has more black workers than others and decides to hire a person of a different race. What happens to him? Instantly sued and called a racist.

I personally don't agree with either situation. A person should never be hired or given preference based on race. It should be their skill and expertise based on the job. That's real equality.

If you want institutionalized power, then earn it. Nobody's going to give it to you. Nothing is stopping you anymore. People of different races have equal footing with white people. How do I know? I work in an office with over ten people. All different races. And I make the most money and became supervisor. Not because I'm asian, but because I'm better. You want it. Earn it.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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The article says "Arabs and Caucasians." From what I know of US Supreme Court policy, Arabs are considered part of the Caucasian race. People like Indians and Pakistanis, too.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 6:06PM Mutagenaric said

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Frankly, I'd kill any zombie, regardless of its race. In Britain, I suppose I'd be killing lots of British people (while reminiscing happily about 28 Days Later). In America, I'd be killing a lot of, well, a lot of people. In Japan, I suppose I'd be killing plenty of Japanese people. And in Africa, I'd end up killing a large number of Africans. If you're saying that the only decent thing to do is NOT kill them, because look like an ethnic minority in my home country, well, I might well use you as zombie bait in such a situation. Zombie sympathizers get no sympathy from me >:( .

Seriously, though. If this game was taking place in, say, Georgia, and it still had loads of black zombies, then yeah, I'd say that'd be pretty racist. Especially if Redfield went around sporting a Confederate flag shirt. In Africa, though? Race may still be a concern in some parts of Africa that are getting over apartheid and shit like that, but isn't the main problem down there tribal issues and suchlike? Like Darfur, for instance. If this game depicted some Janjaweed militia-type going around killing "non-Arab Fur, Zaghawa, and Massaleit ethnic groups" (Wikipedia), then it'd be, uh, tribalist I guess (not a word). And if we're going historical, if Chris Redfield was going around in absurd 1800s military regalia with a breach-loaded musket putting the African zombies on ships to sell them, then it'd be very, very racist. But until I see anything like the above examples in-game, I for one cannot call this particularly racist. As has been said before, many african-(insert country/planet name here)s portrayed as protagonists in video games have been more racist than what I've seen so far. If I'm not seeing some terrible enormity that Capcom has made here, please say so.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 8:42PM (Unverified) said

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It's frustrating to see people arguing about how something is or is not racist when they don't even understand what racism is to begin with.

RE5 IS racist. The developres have even admitted it. They just don't understand what racism is and so don't understand that their being racist. This might be a newsflash to some people but MOST RACIST DON'T KNOW THEY'RE RACIST!

RE5s director is on record as saying that the whole design of the game is influenced by the concept of light vs. darkness and good vs. evil. He sited Black Hawk Down (Another racist film) as his inspiration.

Look, when you start trying to equte white people with purity and good, and black people with evil and darkness, you are being racist. How is that NOT racist? It was racist in the novel Heart of Darkness, it was racist in Frank Miller's 300, and it's racist in Resident Evil 5.

Posted: Jun 5th 2008 12:17PM (Unverified) said

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"MOST RACIST DON'T KNOW THEY'RE RACIST!"

Agreed. The people who don't know they're racist are the ones who have the privilege of not needing to notice race because race issues have a negligible affect on them.

"Look, when you start trying to equte white people with purity and good, and black people with evil and darkness, you are being racist. How is that NOT racist? It was racist in the novel Heart of Darkness, it was racist in Frank Miller's 300, and it's racist in Resident Evil 5."

Well said. I'm surprised that hardly anyone else here sees this. Oh wait, it's probably because they don't see race/are colour blind and therefore racism doesn't exist.
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Posted: Jun 4th 2008 8:38PM Batzarro The worlds WOrst Detect said

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Wait, Arabs? Here we go again...

Posted: Jun 5th 2008 12:24AM (Unverified) said

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(sigh...)

this is probably the most depressing and frustrating kind of comment on this situation. When people are eager to bat down any mention of racism and not be able to back it up with any facts on the matter.

Please listen to me when I say this, racism is a much bigger problem than most young white americans thing. Most young american period, really. And this is why black people talk about it so much that white people get tired of hearing about it.

American racism was very much an export to other countries in the 19th century. From Mamy in "Gone With The Wind" to Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima, American racism penetrated the world. And where thing like afirmative action and civil rights faught hard to change that perspective in america, NO SUCH THING TOOK PLACE OVERSEAS. In Japan there was no need to redo racist artwork on a package of uncle bens rice featuring a racist black man. It would only cost more money, and there were no black people to complain. As a result racist visions of black people persist in Japan in a way they don't in America. If you don't believe me, look at dopey black faced red lipped Mr. Popo in Dragon Ball Z. Look at idiot rage-o-holic with the giant lips Balrog in SF2. Look at idiot rage-o-holic ebonics spitting violence loving Barrett in Final Fantasy VII.

Japan is MORE likely to have racist elements in it's games than the US is, and that's part of the reason they don't understand why RE5 is racist or how what they're doing is being taken as racist.

Posted: Jun 4th 2008 11:38PM (Unverified) said

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Racist = no.
Insensitive = probably.

Though, if you want to test japanese opinions on race, you should go and try to us some of the public baths outside tokyo. They might let you in if you are white. Maybe. Good luck if you are black or indian though...

Posted: Jun 5th 2008 12:01PM (Unverified) said

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@animeman_59: Institutionalized, systemic power whether it's held in the hands of blacks or whites or any other race is a bad thing because it oppresses other groups. Everyone wants a better life and to earn more money, but it shouldn't be at the expense of other people. I'm from the DC Metro area, so I do know what you're talking about, however the sort of institutionalized power in the examples you've given isn't the sort of systemic power that perpetuates the racism that still exists in the United States today. Even if minorities have power or position, that doesn't mean that they have the same power that whites have. People of colour in power are still discriminated against and are negatively impacted because of their race. It's more subtle in modern society because people are a little more sensitive to race issues, however just because we're living in an ostensibly modern age does not mean that racism does not exist. Part of what perpetuates racism is failure to see it for what it is, by white people and by people of colour who uphold the status quo. For people to say that others are racist for daring to notice and see race is pretty preposterous. Racism exists and to ignore it by claiming to be colour blind not only shows people are so privileged that they have the luxury of not noticing race issues, but it also also shows ignorance of the situation amongst races in society today. Furthermore those who have the privilege of not noticing race issues also have the privilege that their race does not at all affect them on a daily basis, simply because they are part of a majority group and don't have to think about race.

For an example of privilege in action, I encourage people to read this essay: http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html

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