NVIDIA's Roy Taylor doesn't believe PC gaming is dying, but he does believe it's changing. In a recent interview with Eurogamer, the Content Biz Dev VP discussed the growing effect console gaming has had on the PC market.
According to Taylor, consoles have become the "baseline" for game development; PC-exclusive titles are a thing of the past, and more and more titles make the transition from console to PC, as opposed to the other way around. Luckily, Taylor believes that PC versions of those titles we always be superior, and as the baseline console versions improve, so too will the PC ports. Good to know, then.
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Posted: Jun 11th 2008 2:46AM (Unverified) said
"Why can't they develop PCMIA style cards that can be simply swapped in or out without opening the case or needing a screwdriver?"
nowadays you don't need a screwdriver to install 3.5" drives, 5.25" drives, PCI cards, PCIe cards, RAM, Processor/Heatsink. About the only thing you need a screwdriver for is the power supply and you can usually buy a nice case with one preinstalled. Tool-less cases are here to stay (unless you buy a dell or an hp in which case they don't want you to open it). It is a lot easier than it sounds ... I promise.
As far as the PCMCIA idea goes, they will build it if there is a market for it. Increases in technology bring changes that usually trickle down from the desktop to the laptop. The current limitations of PCMCIA can't supply the bandwidth needed for intense graphics. Someday they may have a PCMCIA-type card insert that is equivalent to pciex16, but the desktop counterpart will already be on to something much more complex. Typically, brand-new laptops are almost obsolete by the time they hit the shelves (i.e. almost 2 year old technology w/o the ability to upgrade hardware down the road)
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nowadays you don't need a screwdriver to install 3.5" drives, 5.25" drives, PCI cards, PCIe cards, RAM, Processor/Heatsink. About the only thing you need a screwdriver for is the power supply and you can usually buy a nice case with one preinstalled. Tool-less cases are here to stay (unless you buy a dell or an hp in which case they don't want you to open it). It is a lot easier than it sounds ... I promise.
As far as the PCMCIA idea goes, they will build it if there is a market for it. Increases in technology bring changes that usually trickle down from the desktop to the laptop. The current limitations of PCMCIA can't supply the bandwidth needed for intense graphics. Someday they may have a PCMCIA-type card insert that is equivalent to pciex16, but the desktop counterpart will already be on to something much more complex. Typically, brand-new laptops are almost obsolete by the time they hit the shelves (i.e. almost 2 year old technology w/o the ability to upgrade hardware down the road)
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:06AM Dragod said
What's nice about Console gaming is that everything is designed to work on exact pieces of hardware... Your experience isn't affected by your choice of Operating System, Hardware power, and probably most importantly, price. A PC that can run games decently will vary in price based on your taste in games... I just recently paid about $1000 for a new gaming PC (Hardcore Console gamer), because I want to experience all types of gaming... Not everyone can do that. It's much easier for you to go to the store, pay straight up price for a console you know (with a few exceptions) will work, and a few games you want. On PC, you have to be sure your PC meets the requirements of the games you want to play, and with new games getting better and better, it can be scary to drop $200+ a year just to be able to continue to play new games.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 2:04AM (Unverified) said
Im a console gamer at heart, but it is funny when people mention this...
"What's nice about Console gaming is that everything is designed to work on exact pieces of hardware... Your experience isn't affected by your choice of Operating System, Hardware power, and probably most importantly, price."
Different OS = Different Consoles
Different Hardware Power = Different PS3 and 360 SKUs
Price = Wii impulsive buy? (lol)
Anyway, those same "problems" that can be found on PC gaming can also be found in console gaming.
The ONLY difference is that Console gaming does have a "standard minimum spec"
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"What's nice about Console gaming is that everything is designed to work on exact pieces of hardware... Your experience isn't affected by your choice of Operating System, Hardware power, and probably most importantly, price."
Different OS = Different Consoles
Different Hardware Power = Different PS3 and 360 SKUs
Price = Wii impulsive buy? (lol)
Anyway, those same "problems" that can be found on PC gaming can also be found in console gaming.
The ONLY difference is that Console gaming does have a "standard minimum spec"
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 2:18AM Dragod said
Obviously different consoles means different OS. What I mean is that if I were to run XP and you were to run Vista, I would have a framerate advantage (Assuming hardware is all exactly the same).
By Hardware I mean better graphics cards, processors, etc. If I have a 20gb hard drive and you have a 120gb hard drive, it doesn't affect the quality of my game. I don't have a decrease in framerate or anything of that sort.
And by price I mean that because I couldn't afford something better, it doesn't mean my game is affected at all. If I have a 360 Premium and you have a 360 Elite, you don't have an advantage in playing.
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By Hardware I mean better graphics cards, processors, etc. If I have a 20gb hard drive and you have a 120gb hard drive, it doesn't affect the quality of my game. I don't have a decrease in framerate or anything of that sort.
And by price I mean that because I couldn't afford something better, it doesn't mean my game is affected at all. If I have a 360 Premium and you have a 360 Elite, you don't have an advantage in playing.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 2:30AM (Unverified) said
uh Dragod, there are many, many more things to be taken in mind when it comes to console games...
Which console to buy?
Which SKU?
HDD size?
Which is the cheapest?
Does it have BC?
And those are just the ones that came to my mind while typing, there are many more....
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Which console to buy?
Which SKU?
HDD size?
Which is the cheapest?
Does it have BC?
And those are just the ones that came to my mind while typing, there are many more....
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 3:27AM bm111 said
"Different OS = Different Consoles
Different Hardware Power = Different PS3 and 360 SKUs
Price = Wii impulsive buy? (lol)"
Hahaha I hope you aren't seriously under the delusion that games run differently on different SKU's of the same console. A 360 is a 360, period. The only differences are completely superficial and have -nothing- to do with how the game runs. That is extremely advantageous for developers and it's the reason console games are often more polished and just work better. Or just -work-, period. Are you just making stuff up? That last line doesn't even make any sense.
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Different Hardware Power = Different PS3 and 360 SKUs
Price = Wii impulsive buy? (lol)"
Hahaha I hope you aren't seriously under the delusion that games run differently on different SKU's of the same console. A 360 is a 360, period. The only differences are completely superficial and have -nothing- to do with how the game runs. That is extremely advantageous for developers and it's the reason console games are often more polished and just work better. Or just -work-, period. Are you just making stuff up? That last line doesn't even make any sense.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 3:31AM (Unverified) said
"The games generally decide which console buy... I'm not going to buy a PS3 when I like Halo and Gears because I can get a large Hard Drive on a PS3."
But what if I want to play some PS3 exclusive? what about timed exclusives? when it comes to multiplatform games, you will compare price, resolution, framerate, which one controls the best, which one offers the most, DLC, etc etc etc...
Like I said, there are MANY more things to take in mind when it comes to Console gaming
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But what if I want to play some PS3 exclusive? what about timed exclusives? when it comes to multiplatform games, you will compare price, resolution, framerate, which one controls the best, which one offers the most, DLC, etc etc etc...
Like I said, there are MANY more things to take in mind when it comes to Console gaming
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 10:29AM Duke said
Noshino, your argument makes no sense. The guy's point was simple - you buy a game for a console it works the same as the guy with the same console sitting down the street. No graphics card/OS differences to deal with. Why are you making an argument about all the things that you consider in buying a console? That has nothing to do with what he's saying. PS3 vs. PS3=no difference in play. 360 vs. 360=difference in play. That’s it, a simple fact without any need for console brand vs. console brand hyperbole.
Also, consider the fact that what you think has to be considered so heavily when buying a console is not what others feel has to be considered. As always, you use all caps to try to belittle someone into agreement with you, and once again, it isn't going to make them suddenly believe they have to march lock-step with you.
I bought all the consoles without all of those considerations you mentioned - while you only play the PS3 no matter what the perks of other systems are. (I know, in your mind the other systems have no perks as that’s what you shout constantly.) How can someone as closed minded and elitist as you with your PS3 now comment on what considerations in a purchase are made by others? You don't follow your own message.
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Also, consider the fact that what you think has to be considered so heavily when buying a console is not what others feel has to be considered. As always, you use all caps to try to belittle someone into agreement with you, and once again, it isn't going to make them suddenly believe they have to march lock-step with you.
I bought all the consoles without all of those considerations you mentioned - while you only play the PS3 no matter what the perks of other systems are. (I know, in your mind the other systems have no perks as that’s what you shout constantly.) How can someone as closed minded and elitist as you with your PS3 now comment on what considerations in a purchase are made by others? You don't follow your own message.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 11:30AM (Unverified) said
NATO_duke,
Huh? My argument isn't about "when choosing a game" its about console gaming in general...
You do have to make many choices, you might not see them as such, but they are still there, or what, you are telling me that the different SKUs don't make any changes in the software experience? The only one that I do think you don't have to worry about is the Wii, but the PS3 and 360 do involve some sort of choice making, which for us is actually simple because we are informed about it, but so is the same for the PC market.
Like some have stated, for under $1000 you can get a "hardcore" PC which can run even Crysis...
"while you only play the PS3 no matter what the perks of other systems are. (I know, in your mind the other systems have no perks as that’s what you shout constantly.) "
Huh? the fact that I don't own a Wii doesn't mean that I don't play it, as for the 360, I haven't yet gotten used to the controller, but try to get some playtime now and then.
"How can someone as closed minded and elitist as you with your PS3 now comment on what considerations in a purchase are made by others? You don't follow your own message."
Its not like Im even saying one is better than the other...So because I buy a high end car, or being an antique car, and Im very fond of it, I can't say that there are many things to be taken in mind when buying cars? That, Sir, is being close minded...
"As always, you use all caps to try to belittle someone into agreement with you, and once again, it isn't going to make them suddenly believe they have to march lock-step with you. "
That made me lol, what is it that you have against me using caps? I used them to emphasize certain words...not to belittle anyone...but if it hurts you so much when I use caps, then I will not use them anymore, I apologize for any damage created by the use of them.
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Huh? My argument isn't about "when choosing a game" its about console gaming in general...
You do have to make many choices, you might not see them as such, but they are still there, or what, you are telling me that the different SKUs don't make any changes in the software experience? The only one that I do think you don't have to worry about is the Wii, but the PS3 and 360 do involve some sort of choice making, which for us is actually simple because we are informed about it, but so is the same for the PC market.
Like some have stated, for under $1000 you can get a "hardcore" PC which can run even Crysis...
"while you only play the PS3 no matter what the perks of other systems are. (I know, in your mind the other systems have no perks as that’s what you shout constantly.) "
Huh? the fact that I don't own a Wii doesn't mean that I don't play it, as for the 360, I haven't yet gotten used to the controller, but try to get some playtime now and then.
"How can someone as closed minded and elitist as you with your PS3 now comment on what considerations in a purchase are made by others? You don't follow your own message."
Its not like Im even saying one is better than the other...So because I buy a high end car, or being an antique car, and Im very fond of it, I can't say that there are many things to be taken in mind when buying cars? That, Sir, is being close minded...
"As always, you use all caps to try to belittle someone into agreement with you, and once again, it isn't going to make them suddenly believe they have to march lock-step with you. "
That made me lol, what is it that you have against me using caps? I used them to emphasize certain words...not to belittle anyone...but if it hurts you so much when I use caps, then I will not use them anymore, I apologize for any damage created by the use of them.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:10PM Dragod said
My point was simple: After you have your said console, let's say you LAN with someone (to remove the internet factor), in a 1vs1 in a game of Halo 3. TVs are the same, You have an Xbox 360 Elite, I have an Xbox 360 Premium. Both of us are using wired controllers. After all of that is set up, there is no difference in our experience. The only thing that would be noticeably different is our skill levels.
With a PC, you take two random PCs and compare them, I can almost guarantee that the two computers will run a game differently.
It is possible horrible player would be able to beat an amazing player just because they have more money to spend on better hardware, and the better player can't afford that same hardwar, and is getting bad framerates.
With a Console, even if I have $10,000 to spend, it doesn't mean I'm going to get better performance than the person who spent $400.
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With a PC, you take two random PCs and compare them, I can almost guarantee that the two computers will run a game differently.
It is possible horrible player would be able to beat an amazing player just because they have more money to spend on better hardware, and the better player can't afford that same hardwar, and is getting bad framerates.
With a Console, even if I have $10,000 to spend, it doesn't mean I'm going to get better performance than the person who spent $400.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:34PM Duke said
Noshino, I stand on my previous comment.
Also, the misquoting bullsh*t around here has to stop. My quote was "The guy's point was simple - you buy a game for a console it works the same as the guy with the same console sitting down the street."
Your hacking of my quote in this section: "Huh? My argument isn't about "when choosing a game" its about console gaming in general..."
The point was not about a game - it was about the fact the machines (consoles) a game would be played on would be the same. Your twist above was a blatant attempt to mischaracterize my statement to make my argument fail. You seriously have a lot of credibility issues when you pull that kind of crap in your posts.
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Also, the misquoting bullsh*t around here has to stop. My quote was "The guy's point was simple - you buy a game for a console it works the same as the guy with the same console sitting down the street."
Your hacking of my quote in this section: "Huh? My argument isn't about "when choosing a game" its about console gaming in general..."
The point was not about a game - it was about the fact the machines (consoles) a game would be played on would be the same. Your twist above was a blatant attempt to mischaracterize my statement to make my argument fail. You seriously have a lot of credibility issues when you pull that kind of crap in your posts.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:48PM (Unverified) said
NATO_Duke,
"What's nice about Console gaming is that everything is designed to work on exact pieces of hardware... Your experience isn't affected by your choice of Operating System, Hardware power, and probably most importantly, price."
I was going by that...so yes, I do stand by my statements.
"With a PC, you take two random PCs and compare them, I can almost guarantee that the two computers will run a game differently."
Well, I do agree with that, thing is that there are also differences between the PS3/360 SKUs when it comes power and such, but the changes at times are so minor that one wont even realize, the same goes for PC...
Anyway, I like console gaming more, so yah
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"What's nice about Console gaming is that everything is designed to work on exact pieces of hardware... Your experience isn't affected by your choice of Operating System, Hardware power, and probably most importantly, price."
I was going by that...so yes, I do stand by my statements.
"With a PC, you take two random PCs and compare them, I can almost guarantee that the two computers will run a game differently."
Well, I do agree with that, thing is that there are also differences between the PS3/360 SKUs when it comes power and such, but the changes at times are so minor that one wont even realize, the same goes for PC...
Anyway, I like console gaming more, so yah
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:15AM jyjjy said
Your mistake was EVER paying that much for a computer. Undoubtedly you could've built it yourself for half the price(no, it's not hard to put together a computer) and even paying that much probably would've been a mistake.
These days you can build a computer for less than $500 that will play every game you might want to throw at it very well, Crysis included. My guess is that it would also do just fine on any game that comes out in the next 1.5 to 2 years or so. At that point you might want to spend probably $150ish on a videocard upgrade.
That PC gaming has to be expensive is simply not true. The computer industry is like any other, they will try to get as much money out of you as they can convince you to part with. If you let them then you'll find it expensive. If you have a brain and can do some research, use a screw driver, fit a processor and ram into a socket and connect some cables then it's not expensive.
These days you can build a computer for less than $500 that will play every game you might want to throw at it very well, Crysis included. My guess is that it would also do just fine on any game that comes out in the next 1.5 to 2 years or so. At that point you might want to spend probably $150ish on a videocard upgrade.
That PC gaming has to be expensive is simply not true. The computer industry is like any other, they will try to get as much money out of you as they can convince you to part with. If you let them then you'll find it expensive. If you have a brain and can do some research, use a screw driver, fit a processor and ram into a socket and connect some cables then it's not expensive.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:24AM Berzerk said
I'm upgrading my computer (probably on Thursday if the parts arrive on time... stupid UPS) for the first time in... um... 8 months. And I only upgraded then because I got hand-me-downs from my dad's computer.
My current computer will likely be sold as components to several friends. The myth in computers is that you need a super amazing system to play all the games.
In reality, you just need a computer that will play the games you want to play at a level that's acceptable to you. (Screw Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, and Crysis).
My current computer will likely be sold as components to several friends. The myth in computers is that you need a super amazing system to play all the games.
In reality, you just need a computer that will play the games you want to play at a level that's acceptable to you. (Screw Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, and Crysis).
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 2:00AM (Unverified) said
a 9600GT plays crysis on medium (still great) @ 45fps @ 1600x1200
a 9600GT plays assassin's creed and mass effect very well. it will play the orange box on the highest settings. it will play your backlog of games from the past couple of years at their highest settings.
a 9600GT costs 140 USD brand new
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a 9600GT plays assassin's creed and mass effect very well. it will play the orange box on the highest settings. it will play your backlog of games from the past couple of years at their highest settings.
a 9600GT costs 140 USD brand new
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 2:52PM jyjjy said
Hardware does not get slower with time. Windows does however, both on it's own and because of spy/ad/crapware that builds up on your system. Almost everything you install will want to start whenever you load windows in some fashion. Over time this will slow your system down. Start button -> run -> type msconfig and you can get rid of the stuff you don't need in the start-up tab. If you aren't sure if you need it use google.
As for the number of cores/slot types, ect THAT'S what you are supposed to be learning about when people say "do some research" so that you don't get screwed. Videocards used the same slot, called AGP for many years. About 3 years ago or so the standard changed and is now PCI-Express. You can still buy a decent videocard that will work on AGP system however(the HD3850.) For many, many years hard drives/cd drives used the same connectors called IDE cables. About 2 years ago the standard changed to SATA cables. This is a non-issue for almost everyone as motherboards still have IDE ports and they still sell IDE hard/optical drives. The things you need to worry about are the sockets for the processor and ram, these actually do change often, especially the processor slot. This is what you need to research and make sure you are getting the newest kind(with-in your price range) so that your computer will be reasonably upgradeable for a while.
As for the number of cores/slot types, ect THAT'S what you are supposed to be learning about when people say "do some research" so that you don't get screwed. Videocards used the same slot, called AGP for many years. About 3 years ago or so the standard changed and is now PCI-Express. You can still buy a decent videocard that will work on AGP system however(the HD3850.) For many, many years hard drives/cd drives used the same connectors called IDE cables. About 2 years ago the standard changed to SATA cables. This is a non-issue for almost everyone as motherboards still have IDE ports and they still sell IDE hard/optical drives. The things you need to worry about are the sockets for the processor and ram, these actually do change often, especially the processor slot. This is what you need to research and make sure you are getting the newest kind(with-in your price range) so that your computer will be reasonably upgradeable for a while.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 3:09AM Spunky Monkey 190906 said
Not suprised, my PC pumps out some incredible specs, so playing games can sometimes be even more delightful then playing the same games on my consoles. But you notice now, like PC games, consoles games don't need as many sequels as they used to, simply because of the harddrive, all mistakes etc they've made can be corrected (more or less) with the harddrive and the game can thus be prolonged with updates rather then releasing the next sequel.
Back then, you had just comnpleted a game and already it's sequel was releasing, another £30 to go and spend.
Back then, you had just comnpleted a game and already it's sequel was releasing, another £30 to go and spend.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 3:51AM (Unverified) said
The major problem is that many critically acclaimed titles now are not being released on PC, or take 6+ months later.
Publishers and developers haven't been giving PC the respect it deserves. Put more games other than that **** FPS/RTS/MMO trinity on shelves and ADVERTISE them for crying out loud.
Games like Sam & Max, Peggle, or Portal are awesome. Focusing on diversity, lower system requirements, and less annoying forms of copy protection, can help sales. It works for Stardock.
Publishers and developers haven't been giving PC the respect it deserves. Put more games other than that **** FPS/RTS/MMO trinity on shelves and ADVERTISE them for crying out loud.
Games like Sam & Max, Peggle, or Portal are awesome. Focusing on diversity, lower system requirements, and less annoying forms of copy protection, can help sales. It works for Stardock.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 10:47AM Dralthi said
"Luckily, Taylor believes that PC versions of those titles we always be superior, and as the baseline console versions improve, so too will the PC ports."
When the day comes where I can sit comfortably on my COUCH in my living room and play PC games without having to sit through a 10-30 minute install and, the game automatically updates itself, then I will acknowledge that PC games are superior.
When the day comes where I can sit comfortably on my COUCH in my living room and play PC games without having to sit through a 10-30 minute install and, the game automatically updates itself, then I will acknowledge that PC games are superior.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 11:18AM (Unverified) said
Blah blah blah, they've been saying that PC gaming is dead every few years since 1980.
Videogames STARTED on PCs. They've thrived regardless of the state of the console market ever since. (Nintendo, the savior of videogames? PLEASE.) Finally, and pardon me for taking a big leap here, they'll continue to live on long after consoles have been wiped off the face of the earth.
Consoles owe every bit of their success to PCs; not surprisingly, they've also gained favor in the gaming market by becoming MORE LIKE PCs. It's an interesting way of looking at a format that's supposedly in direct competition.
Videogames STARTED on PCs. They've thrived regardless of the state of the console market ever since. (Nintendo, the savior of videogames? PLEASE.) Finally, and pardon me for taking a big leap here, they'll continue to live on long after consoles have been wiped off the face of the earth.
Consoles owe every bit of their success to PCs; not surprisingly, they've also gained favor in the gaming market by becoming MORE LIKE PCs. It's an interesting way of looking at a format that's supposedly in direct competition.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:21PM Dragod said
Do you honestly believe that every single person who plays Video Games would still be playing them today if it weren't for games like Tetris, Donkey Kong, and Mario?
I certainly don't. I got into gaming when my older sister bought a Super Nintendo with Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros 3.
It's possible that PC games could have done something similar, but the fact of the matter is that it didn't. There's something nice about being able to come home, sit on the couch, turn on the TV and your Super Nintendo and play Super Mario World for an hour or two. PCs just don't have that appeal, and a keyboard is intimidating to a first time gamer. They would much rather pick up a small handheld controller with 8 buttons and a 4-way directional pad.
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I certainly don't. I got into gaming when my older sister bought a Super Nintendo with Super Mario World and Super Mario Bros 3.
It's possible that PC games could have done something similar, but the fact of the matter is that it didn't. There's something nice about being able to come home, sit on the couch, turn on the TV and your Super Nintendo and play Super Mario World for an hour or two. PCs just don't have that appeal, and a keyboard is intimidating to a first time gamer. They would much rather pick up a small handheld controller with 8 buttons and a 4-way directional pad.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 12:35PM (Unverified) said
Bucket,
If Im not wrong videogames weren't even born on PCs, but yah, it has its roots on PC...
But then it was consoles/arcades that gave it mainstream recognition
But I do agree, that from then on, the advancements have been due to the never ending technology brought by the PC market
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If Im not wrong videogames weren't even born on PCs, but yah, it has its roots on PC...
But then it was consoles/arcades that gave it mainstream recognition
But I do agree, that from then on, the advancements have been due to the never ending technology brought by the PC market
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 3:54PM (Unverified) said
@Dragod
Go back and read videogame history again. Those three games you mention were on a number of platforms including arcade and PC (Tetris was already well-established by the time it hit the GameBoy). Furthermore, your anecdotes don't apply to everyone. PC gaming has existed alongside consoles the whole time-- SOMEBODY has to be picking up the keyboard + mouse.
@Noshino
The first games ever made were developed in college laboratories using industrial-size computers. Also, I find your use of "mainstream recognition" dubious. When did this happen? Pong? Atari? Nintendo? PC games have had just as many heavy hitters. I also don't see what it has to do with whether gaming lives or dies. It doesn't have to be mainstream to be a success.
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Go back and read videogame history again. Those three games you mention were on a number of platforms including arcade and PC (Tetris was already well-established by the time it hit the GameBoy). Furthermore, your anecdotes don't apply to everyone. PC gaming has existed alongside consoles the whole time-- SOMEBODY has to be picking up the keyboard + mouse.
@Noshino
The first games ever made were developed in college laboratories using industrial-size computers. Also, I find your use of "mainstream recognition" dubious. When did this happen? Pong? Atari? Nintendo? PC games have had just as many heavy hitters. I also don't see what it has to do with whether gaming lives or dies. It doesn't have to be mainstream to be a success.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 4:59PM (Unverified) said
Ok Bucket...
Have you heard of the Cathode-Ray Tube Amusement Device? yah, that dates back to the 47, back then, computers couldn't achieve that...and that is considered the birth of video games.
"Also, I find your use of "mainstream recognition" dubious. When did this happen? Pong? Atari? Nintendo? PC games have had just as many heavy hitters. I also don't see what it has to do with whether gaming lives or dies. It doesn't have to be mainstream to be a success."
Pong, Space Invaders, Asteroids, Pac-man, those titles put video games on the map, and along side with the technology brought forth by the PC market, they are both responsible for the success of video games...
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Have you heard of the Cathode-Ray Tube Amusement Device? yah, that dates back to the 47, back then, computers couldn't achieve that...and that is considered the birth of video games.
"Also, I find your use of "mainstream recognition" dubious. When did this happen? Pong? Atari? Nintendo? PC games have had just as many heavy hitters. I also don't see what it has to do with whether gaming lives or dies. It doesn't have to be mainstream to be a success."
Pong, Space Invaders, Asteroids, Pac-man, those titles put video games on the map, and along side with the technology brought forth by the PC market, they are both responsible for the success of video games...
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 11:48AM Shagittarius said
PC gaming is superior any way you look at it. Unfortunately as games become more and more mass market friendly, the retailers, and dev houses are going to shift over to where the most consumers are.
Beacuse most people are stupid, consoles sell better being so easy a chimpanzee with a ab-normal brain could still use them. Its really all part of the Wii syndrome. Enjoy your hobby while you can beacuse its going to be destroyed by exploitation within the mass market. Unfortunately the golden age of gaming (as far as quality games) has already ended.
Beacuse most people are stupid, consoles sell better being so easy a chimpanzee with a ab-normal brain could still use them. Its really all part of the Wii syndrome. Enjoy your hobby while you can beacuse its going to be destroyed by exploitation within the mass market. Unfortunately the golden age of gaming (as far as quality games) has already ended.
Posted: Jun 11th 2008 7:26PM (Unverified) said
PC Gaming is just fine, in fact it's a great time to build or buy a new rig. While there are fewer PC exclusives, a lot more big name console titles and more multiplatform titles are making their way to the PC. Couple that with the fact that just about all new FPS's and RTS's are better suited for a mouse and keyboard, it's a no brainer to PC Gamers.
I game on all, but PC offers the best experience by a long mile.
I game on all, but PC offers the best experience by a long mile.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 3:13PM Mr Khan said
Or go to Task Manager and go under "processes" and start ending everything that doesn't look essential or at all related to what you're doing.
We like to keep our PC (256 MB RAM) at 30 processes, and it always slides back up to 37-38 at some point, and we have to cut it down again.
We like to keep our PC (256 MB RAM) at 30 processes, and it always slides back up to 37-38 at some point, and we have to cut it down again.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:05PM (Unverified) said
I converted to PC gaming recently and what blows my mind is the fact that the average console gamer now has probably a minimum of two current gen gaming consoles. Let's say that those two consoles are an Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii--the base price alone is $650, not including the cost of extra controllers. I just built my first PC, which is decent for gaming, for about that much (I already had a monitor, keyboard, mouse, etc.) I don't have to run games at maxed out settings and don't plan to upgrade for awhile.
Also, as far as difficulty in building a new PC--If I can do it, anybody can--it is NOT hard! I would even venture to say that it was a pretty fun and educational process.
As others have stated, there is some research involved to put together the right components, but there are some great websites out there that keep up to date articles on building PC's on different budgets. You can even click on a link and have everything added to your shopping cart--everything is done for you.
As a side note, I have to admit that I loved Nintendo for many years, but I have to say that the breaking point for me was when SSBB was released and the online component was essentially broken was what made me hang up my hat on console gaming.
In all fairness, I know that online gaming on the 360 works very well, but there is also a subscription that you have to pay for--I can play TF2 online for free! I also think that DLC that you have to pay for on consoles is the biggest ripoff ever!
The PC gaming market could definitely be improved and measures are being taken to do so. Also, Valve, with their Steam service is definitely a step in the right direction and others are following suit. I know that there are some Steam haters out there, but it works great for me.
Having said all this, though, to each his own. I'm not saying that PC's are better--it is just my platform of choice now.
Also, as far as difficulty in building a new PC--If I can do it, anybody can--it is NOT hard! I would even venture to say that it was a pretty fun and educational process.
As others have stated, there is some research involved to put together the right components, but there are some great websites out there that keep up to date articles on building PC's on different budgets. You can even click on a link and have everything added to your shopping cart--everything is done for you.
As a side note, I have to admit that I loved Nintendo for many years, but I have to say that the breaking point for me was when SSBB was released and the online component was essentially broken was what made me hang up my hat on console gaming.
In all fairness, I know that online gaming on the 360 works very well, but there is also a subscription that you have to pay for--I can play TF2 online for free! I also think that DLC that you have to pay for on consoles is the biggest ripoff ever!
The PC gaming market could definitely be improved and measures are being taken to do so. Also, Valve, with their Steam service is definitely a step in the right direction and others are following suit. I know that there are some Steam haters out there, but it works great for me.
Having said all this, though, to each his own. I'm not saying that PC's are better--it is just my platform of choice now.
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