In his regular video feature, Sessler's Soapbox, G4TV personality Adam Sessler tackles one of the fastest growing and despicable trends in Xbox Live history; bigotry. In short, Sessler challenges Xbox Live users who feel the need to spew racist and homophobic remarks in order to convey their emotions during gaming to actually think about what they're saying. We encountered a similar experience while playing Uno during our last X3F LIVE event, where a kid--who couldn't have been older than 10, thought it was important to express all of the new slurs he had learned (from the schoolyard and probably also from his Xbox Live sessions).
The issue is huge and disgusting. Sessler couldn't be more accurate when he says that we fight so hard to remove the negative stigma's attributed to gamers while ignoring the fact that we're becoming one of the biggest, and organized, bigotry groups in the world. Listen up because we're only saying this once. Yelling racial and homophobic remarks doesn't make you cool and it isn't funny to anyone else in the room, so ditch those comments and get more creative.
Quit being the reason why we hate the service we pay for, it only makes us all look bad and removes all arguments that gaming is the revolution in connected entertainment. As now former Microsoft marketing exec Jeff Bell once said, "Your contribution to society is ... what?"
The video can be found after the jump.
Reader Comments (86)
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:07PM Landosystem said
Be more creative is right! There are so many fantastic ways to insult people on a much more personal and individual level, shouting racial slurs and homophobic rants just proves how simple minded and lazy you are.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 5:23PM (Unverified) said
Why do you need to insult people? Can't we all just get along?
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Posted: Jun 13th 2008 9:01AM (Unverified) said
There will always be stupid people. Especially stupid young people. Always. Make XBOX Live 1yr subscription $1500 and you weed them out. Because their most likely poor as well. Stupid and poor. Always.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:10PM (Unverified) said
i totally agree its gotten horrible since 360, back on xbox 1 it was so fun to just randomly go on quick match. sessler is right by every single thing he says here and that's very hard for me to say seeing as how i lost all respect for xplay about 3 set changes ago. guys please if you do this F***ing think about it first!
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:14PM (Unverified) said
As soon as I hear that crap, I file complaints. Everyone should do the same.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:20PM anoffday said
I agree. I file a complaint, and then I give them negative feedback, so at the very least I don't have to hear the idiot.
I've met a lot of cool people on Live, but I've also met a lot of complete losers.
On a sidenote, MS needs to work a lot harder on this issue. I know a lot of people who have gotten banned from Live for the stupidest reasons, while racist morons never get in trouble for anything.
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I've met a lot of cool people on Live, but I've also met a lot of complete losers.
On a sidenote, MS needs to work a lot harder on this issue. I know a lot of people who have gotten banned from Live for the stupidest reasons, while racist morons never get in trouble for anything.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:23PM Gemini Ace said
Problem is that the people that do it aren't at all influenced by Sessler's or anyone's logic. They don't care. All you can do it leave feedback and tell them you effed their mom. After that, what is there?
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:27PM (Unverified) said
Well, you could actually go F their mom. That would be a pretty bad burn.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 8:41PM Capitalist Pig said
J, you jsut made my day!!
But I wish all those racist/homophobes out there would learn how to shut up. Seriously, if only Microsoft would make punishments more severe for this kind of behavior.
Just a quick question though to everybody else. If you give someone else negative feedback/ file a complaint, will they know your gamertag? Because I have been seriously tempted to give people negative feedback, but I know that if I do and they know it's me, they'll spite me by doing it back. Thanks!
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But I wish all those racist/homophobes out there would learn how to shut up. Seriously, if only Microsoft would make punishments more severe for this kind of behavior.
Just a quick question though to everybody else. If you give someone else negative feedback/ file a complaint, will they know your gamertag? Because I have been seriously tempted to give people negative feedback, but I know that if I do and they know it's me, they'll spite me by doing it back. Thanks!
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:27AM (Unverified) said
No you can not see who left you negative feed back.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:26PM (Unverified) said
This is the main reason why I am back to a silver level membership. I love online play, but I just don't want to be involved with any of those people at any time. Any game that I absolutely must play online I'll get for my PC. It may cost more to upgrade and play all the latest games, but you'd be surprised at how much more mature the average PC gamer is...
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Posted: Jun 13th 2008 8:04AM mardigan71 said
You're absolutely right, Geoff. When I get online with a PC game, I rarely if ever hear that kind of talking. Plus, you can tell by the voices that the age of the average PC gamer is older.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:29PM refinedsugar said
He answered his own open ended question: it's the internet, anonymity, fin.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:31PM (Unverified) said
just last night i had a very young kid ask me if i had any daughters he could rape after finding out that i was married with children. i guess someone else had asked me about it.
the worst thing you can do is get into a verbal battle with these idiots. i just ignore them, file a complaint, make them avoided players, and mute them in the game itself.
this will never end. it is best that you keep a level head and get acquainted with the nearest mute function.
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the worst thing you can do is get into a verbal battle with these idiots. i just ignore them, file a complaint, make them avoided players, and mute them in the game itself.
this will never end. it is best that you keep a level head and get acquainted with the nearest mute function.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:48PM (Unverified) said
Yeah, also nobody mention either world wars, Nazis, death, killing, or anything that could offend anybody.
I think I've made my point.
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I think I've made my point.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:58PM (Unverified) said
Instead of "You got RAPED!";
How about "Good game."?
Try it every once and a while, you may get a friendly response back :)
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How about "Good game."?
Try it every once and a while, you may get a friendly response back :)
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 7:31PM Ethan said
I don't think the words on their own are harmful, but then being pointed at people a lá 'u got raped' is a pretty nasty inference. But even then, it depends on the tone.
Maybe it's just because kids can't handle the concept and thus be mature enough to joke about it, while maintaining boundaries?
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Maybe it's just because kids can't handle the concept and thus be mature enough to joke about it, while maintaining boundaries?
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 8:02PM (Unverified) said
I understand what you mean, but it's always a matter of tone. Of course, the "U GOT RAPED!" guys should shut up, but I use it on occasion myself, but not as an insult.
When I start a game, and see people with much more experience than me, after getting a feel for them, I might drop a "rape me gently". I say it without ill intent and it always gets a chuckle.
Now if somebody was to say something, I'd apologize in a heartbeat. I don't play to insult people, I play to have fun and I don't want to ruin the game for anybody else.
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When I start a game, and see people with much more experience than me, after getting a feel for them, I might drop a "rape me gently". I say it without ill intent and it always gets a chuckle.
Now if somebody was to say something, I'd apologize in a heartbeat. I don't play to insult people, I play to have fun and I don't want to ruin the game for anybody else.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 11:46PM (Unverified) said
I whole heartely agree that there needs to be a resolution to these immature gamers out there. I do not understand why games rated 17 and over are being played by all these young kids. The best we can do for now is send in reviews so that those players become avoided players.
What is ironic is that those that are sending out those homophobic remarks are also the ones that are teabagging your body they just killed.
GROW UP PLEASE!
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What is ironic is that those that are sending out those homophobic remarks are also the ones that are teabagging your body they just killed.
GROW UP PLEASE!
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:37PM (Unverified) said
Remember the good ole days of Quake2? Where at the end of each match people would write "GG". Or if it wasn't a good game they would say something like "Blah".
Ah the memories.
It could have been because GG is a lot easier then some racist tyrade
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Ah the memories.
It could have been because GG is a lot easier then some racist tyrade
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:43PM Dirty said
I wish they had a game zone that is like an "adult swim". The other problem is that it changes people, a friend of mine became crazy at talking shit to people on halo 3. He used to be such a nice guy.
This is a big problem, hopefully someone at M$soft reads these comments.
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This is a big problem, hopefully someone at M$soft reads these comments.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 5:26PM (Unverified) said
"M$soft"
It's not spelled Microssoft, which is what you are implying with this abbreviation.
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It's not spelled Microssoft, which is what you are implying with this abbreviation.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:43PM (Unverified) said
The main reason why I mute about 5 players every match I play when not playing with my friends. Xbox 1 got that way after about a year of Halo 2...stopped playing it. COD4, H3, GTA4...sitting on the shelf. Sure, they got my money, but where's the lasting value? (DLC $$$?) What's the point of bragging about being number one on XBL when that number is half of what it could be if people weren't such cocks?
Anyway, I'll drop the "your mom" comment every once in awhile just to get to someone, but the racist and homophobic slurs are off-limits under all circumstances. You get muted for life and compliant filed. I don't trust that MS investigates all complaints, but it's my only recourse other than the obligatory mute.
So, Adam, I'm doing my part. Keep up the fight!
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Anyway, I'll drop the "your mom" comment every once in awhile just to get to someone, but the racist and homophobic slurs are off-limits under all circumstances. You get muted for life and compliant filed. I don't trust that MS investigates all complaints, but it's my only recourse other than the obligatory mute.
So, Adam, I'm doing my part. Keep up the fight!
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 4:54PM (Unverified) said
My two step program to virtually eliminating this issue:
1. Use the feedback and player review system frequently and accurately. Everyone always whines about how it doesn't work and doesn't seem to realize that's because not enough good, honest people are using it and most of the ones who are, are abusing it.
2. Do not react to these idiots, EVER! That's what they are looking for, it's an affirmation that they have the power over you to get you very worked up with these words. Don't even try to reason with them; just mute them and leave reviews and feedback. Also never tell them you're doing this otherwise they will likely retaliate with feedback.
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1. Use the feedback and player review system frequently and accurately. Everyone always whines about how it doesn't work and doesn't seem to realize that's because not enough good, honest people are using it and most of the ones who are, are abusing it.
2. Do not react to these idiots, EVER! That's what they are looking for, it's an affirmation that they have the power over you to get you very worked up with these words. Don't even try to reason with them; just mute them and leave reviews and feedback. Also never tell them you're doing this otherwise they will likely retaliate with feedback.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 5:16PM Ethan said
Nail. Head. Adam Sessler.
Online games often have people who want to turn a competition into something far more aggressive, ugly and vile. Rather than these people seeing the starting point for a new acquaintance being normal, they start with bitch and go downhill from there. There's a lot more fun to be had in online matches if your trying to do more than just dominate people.
And what makes it worse is that dominate doesn't mean win. It means to 'grief,' to control how a person experiences the game, even if only for a second, and that's what these words do too. But I'd like to think it's more than our concern for our reputation that keeps us decent elsewhere.
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Online games often have people who want to turn a competition into something far more aggressive, ugly and vile. Rather than these people seeing the starting point for a new acquaintance being normal, they start with bitch and go downhill from there. There's a lot more fun to be had in online matches if your trying to do more than just dominate people.
And what makes it worse is that dominate doesn't mean win. It means to 'grief,' to control how a person experiences the game, even if only for a second, and that's what these words do too. But I'd like to think it's more than our concern for our reputation that keeps us decent elsewhere.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 5:22PM RMM said
I play on Xbox Live a lot, and like, 95% of the people I play with seem pretty cool. But yeah, really, there's not much that can be done beyond giving them negative feedback. It's like telling a stupid person on the internet that they're stupid. They don't care, and they aren't going to change.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 9:55PM chrisrackley said
I agree, but it doesn't go far enough. Why is just the bigotry, why not the obscenity? I'm tired of playing a game and having everyone I kill say "F*** you!" or "You f******"! or "D***head!"
Seriously . . . I understand the bigotry rants, but why not get rid of the needless obscenity. Only Quentin T. and Robert R. should talk like that.
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Seriously . . . I understand the bigotry rants, but why not get rid of the needless obscenity. Only Quentin T. and Robert R. should talk like that.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 5:29PM (Unverified) said
One thing I don't understand about the feedback system, is how do they know what the person said? Do they record everything that gets said across XBL? That's a little too big brother for me.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:06PM imurray said
No, they don't record anything.
The way you can TELL them what the person said is through the feedback system. It gives you broad areas of offenses that said asshat might have used, and you select which one is applicable.
Microsoft doesn't take this kind of stuff lightly, so if everyone uses it correctly, the people who don't deserve to speak on XBL soon won't have an account to badmouth on.
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The way you can TELL them what the person said is through the feedback system. It gives you broad areas of offenses that said asshat might have used, and you select which one is applicable.
Microsoft doesn't take this kind of stuff lightly, so if everyone uses it correctly, the people who don't deserve to speak on XBL soon won't have an account to badmouth on.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:27PM (Unverified) said
Well how does the XBL team know whether or not the person actually said what the person is filing a complaint about?
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 5:54PM (Unverified) said
been thinking for awhile about getting a 360 my question is if someone on live is saying racial or homo crap and you report it how does microsoft know they actually said that stuff ? its not like the record in game chat do they ?
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:28PM (Unverified) said
Its just the people that are overall stupid that pisses me off. Making loud noises along with the bigot and homophobic people just adds on to my annoyance. I don't have a high speed connection so I usually only play live when I'm at college.
While I might talk trash when I'm playing with my friends offline, I don't talk trash online and I usually say good game after a game or if I lose I say nothing.
It's almost like it was a bad idea to give almost everyone a mic
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While I might talk trash when I'm playing with my friends offline, I don't talk trash online and I usually say good game after a game or if I lose I say nothing.
It's almost like it was a bad idea to give almost everyone a mic
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:29PM (Unverified) said
Fascism should be banned...oh hang on a minute...isnt that a Fascist act?
FREEDOM OF SPEECH BABY...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TURN EM OFF.
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH BABY...IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TURN EM OFF.
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:33PM AoE said
Don't get me wrong, I'm as staunch a defender of the 1st amendment as you'll ever find; but freedom of speech, if you'll read your constitution, you'll find applies to things under the governments' control (such as public spaces) it doesn't apply to private, closed messaging networks run by corporations. It would certainly be within MS' rights to do something about it, should they so choose.
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Posted: Jun 12th 2008 6:39PM (Unverified) said
Why is ok to condemn bigotry in a public forum but not ok to condemn homosexuality?
Sessler is a hypocrit...
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Sessler is a hypocrit...
Posted: Jun 12th 2008 8:05PM (Unverified) said
there's a difference between being an jerk, and telling a jerk to gtfo.
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