The news is out. The Playstation 3 managed to best the Xbox 360 in sales during the month of May. Grab your favorite pillow and get ready for a shock, because EEDAR analyst Jesse Divnich expects last month's results to be the beginning of a new trend. On the sales victory, Divnich notes that the trend "will likely continue in June as we expect Metal Gear Solid 4 [to] act as a bigger catalyst in terms of driving PS3 hardware sales than did Grand Theft Auto IV." He adds further that exclusives on the Playstation 3 platform tend to drive console sales more than exclusives on the Xbox 360 (or the Wii).
With his PS3 prediction in tow, Divnich believes that Microsoft will respond by announcing a price cut for the Xbox 360 during next month's E3. Furthermore, Divnich believes Microsoft may also announce a new Xbox 360 model with new features (Blu-Ray, perhaps?). Should the price cut take place, Divnich expects Sony to follow suit within two months of the announcement.
[Via Joystiq]
Reader Comments (26)
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:15PM johnpaul12 said
My dog could have figured it out...
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:17PM Neon Jebus said
I hate to say this but I think the Blu-Ray is a much needed addition. I think it will be Blu-Ray and not some game that will continue to move PS3 units. Until the make that choice, they do need to drop the price (and finally kill the Arcade version). The units all need HDD's, and the add on HDD's need to be a lot cheaper. The Premium should be $229 or $249 tops.
I jumped to the dark side this week (via Wal-Mart deal) and purchased a PS3. I did so because of Blu-Ray. I download movies via XBLM but sometimes I like to own movies, and I made the decision to go with a PS3 for that very fact.
I know I looked at the game case at Wal-Mart looking for exclusive games. I think I counted 8. About the only thing I'll play on it are PS3 exclusives. Cheevos actually keep me playing the games, so does an easy and unified friends system. Two things a PS3 can't offer. I won't even get started on the pains of downloading demos and games from PSN...dear God it's terrible.
I jumped to the dark side this week (via Wal-Mart deal) and purchased a PS3. I did so because of Blu-Ray. I download movies via XBLM but sometimes I like to own movies, and I made the decision to go with a PS3 for that very fact.
I know I looked at the game case at Wal-Mart looking for exclusive games. I think I counted 8. About the only thing I'll play on it are PS3 exclusives. Cheevos actually keep me playing the games, so does an easy and unified friends system. Two things a PS3 can't offer. I won't even get started on the pains of downloading demos and games from PSN...dear God it's terrible.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:22PM JCarpio said
"I won't even get started on the pains of downloading demos and games from PSN...dear God it's terrible."
Actually you have me curious now.
Also, trials are not a standard with their PSN games, right?
I'm not trolling, just doing my PS3 research prior to a purchase.
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Actually you have me curious now.
Also, trials are not a standard with their PSN games, right?
I'm not trolling, just doing my PS3 research prior to a purchase.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:29PM Neon Jebus said
They don't do trials on XBLA type games. Some do have videos of gameplay. That isn't straight across the board though as a couple do offer demos.
The demos of retail games and the like require a download (which seems way too slow). The thing that gets me about the downloads...the fact that after I download them I have to install them! What the hell else am I going to do with them? I dl'd Heavenly Sword the other day. Less than 1GB file. Took about 55 minutes to DL. Installation took an additional 30 minutes. Total gameplay time in demo, less than 7 minutes.
You can say it might be my internet connection, but what about the slow install times. This isn't some read speed issue with the Blu-Ray...this is digital download...and it's very slow.
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The demos of retail games and the like require a download (which seems way too slow). The thing that gets me about the downloads...the fact that after I download them I have to install them! What the hell else am I going to do with them? I dl'd Heavenly Sword the other day. Less than 1GB file. Took about 55 minutes to DL. Installation took an additional 30 minutes. Total gameplay time in demo, less than 7 minutes.
You can say it might be my internet connection, but what about the slow install times. This isn't some read speed issue with the Blu-Ray...this is digital download...and it's very slow.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:40PM (Unverified) said
The download speed for demos is really based on your broadband speed. There are times when games download faster on my PS3 than Xbox 360 and vice versa. There is still an install needed on PSN demos and there are trials for some but not all PSN-only games so Sony definitely has more work to do in order to catch up to Xbox Live.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:31PM (Unverified) said
^ srry - must have just posted after you - damn the lack of an edit system :)
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:32PM (Unverified) said
I just bought a ps3 because im a fool and sony bought me with there intended bluray trojan scam.Now i have a console that plays movies in a high resolution but is full of shitty xmb and shitty games.
Pirate shit fight the power the 360 upscales over hdmi donwload dvds fuck the studios there theives anyway.
Pirate shit fight the power the 360 upscales over hdmi donwload dvds fuck the studios there theives anyway.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:33PM Magic Whiskey said
Let's assume all of these rumors are true for a moment.
Regardless as to WHY they would happen, they are all great bits of news.
Regardless as to WHY they would happen, they are all great bits of news.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 12:46PM (Unverified) said
The way I see things Sony is sincerely trying to make a quality gaming console, while Microsoft is simply trying to make a quick buck. Compared to PS3 360 has inferior (though not by much) and unreliable hardware, along with a lack of features, also found it disappointing the 360 didn't utilize an HD-DVD drive for gaming. No built in wifi? If I bought a 360 I'd end up paying hundreds more dollars than the PS3 because of all the add ons and charged service for online gaming.
Original xbox had less games that interested me than I have fingers on one hand. But I have to admit Microsoft is doing much better this time 'round , sad thing is PS3 exclusives are actually exclusive while I see one top name 360 game after another being ported to PC or PS3. If all of 360's games are getting ported where's my incentive to buy one?
I don't mean to seem fanboyish if I it seems that way, my friend pisses me off when he says those same exact things I just did because he keeps repeating it over and over and keeps saying what shit 360 is.
I realize its all opinion and perspective and we all have that thing that floats our boats.
Original xbox had less games that interested me than I have fingers on one hand. But I have to admit Microsoft is doing much better this time 'round , sad thing is PS3 exclusives are actually exclusive while I see one top name 360 game after another being ported to PC or PS3. If all of 360's games are getting ported where's my incentive to buy one?
I don't mean to seem fanboyish if I it seems that way, my friend pisses me off when he says those same exact things I just did because he keeps repeating it over and over and keeps saying what shit 360 is.
I realize its all opinion and perspective and we all have that thing that floats our boats.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 1:21PM Neon Jebus said
Would HD-DVD have had a better chance if the 360 had the drive on board? Perhaps.
Sure there are things the Microsoft hasn't done right. Sure, the hardware has had issues, but people still buy it. When people ask me what system they should look at buying I still suggest it. I also warn them about the hardware. I have no issue pointing a person toward a Wii, PS3, or in some cases just telling them they should just get a Nintendo DS.
I don't know what features you would like in your 360 that is given by the others. I can think of motion control, easy upgrade hdd, free online service (which I now have NO issue paying for after time with PSN), easier DRM standards (PSN offers install on 5 systems while Microsoft straight hates you). There are a couple but nothing major.
As for the WiFi, yes it should have been included. The price of the add on WiFi shouldn't be $99. It should be $39. Do the Wii and PS3 offer WiFi built in, yes...do I prefer to use them over wired...no. It is nice to have the option. My WiFi adapter is plugged into my 360 so I can easily access my Mac's HDD where my movies are stored. Microsoft did pull an old Sony move with their WiFi add on, memory cards, and hard drives.
These are issues with accessories or hardware, but as for the software and sevice side of the 360, I think they still do a far better job than the other two. But that is also, just my opinion. I do thank you for not going all Fanboy on it. I give you major credit for bringing a real conversation to the table.
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Sure there are things the Microsoft hasn't done right. Sure, the hardware has had issues, but people still buy it. When people ask me what system they should look at buying I still suggest it. I also warn them about the hardware. I have no issue pointing a person toward a Wii, PS3, or in some cases just telling them they should just get a Nintendo DS.
I don't know what features you would like in your 360 that is given by the others. I can think of motion control, easy upgrade hdd, free online service (which I now have NO issue paying for after time with PSN), easier DRM standards (PSN offers install on 5 systems while Microsoft straight hates you). There are a couple but nothing major.
As for the WiFi, yes it should have been included. The price of the add on WiFi shouldn't be $99. It should be $39. Do the Wii and PS3 offer WiFi built in, yes...do I prefer to use them over wired...no. It is nice to have the option. My WiFi adapter is plugged into my 360 so I can easily access my Mac's HDD where my movies are stored. Microsoft did pull an old Sony move with their WiFi add on, memory cards, and hard drives.
These are issues with accessories or hardware, but as for the software and sevice side of the 360, I think they still do a far better job than the other two. But that is also, just my opinion. I do thank you for not going all Fanboy on it. I give you major credit for bringing a real conversation to the table.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 1:01PM Trogd0r said
Could Sony really counter with another price drop if MS did? MS makes money on each console, I don't think Sony is there yet. Of course they would pretty much have to, so it really doesn't matter.
I would love to see the premium at $249, but I think $299 is more likely, that would put it at $100 less than the cheapest PS3.
I would love to see the premium at $249, but I think $299 is more likely, that would put it at $100 less than the cheapest PS3.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 1:27PM (Unverified) said
Its time MS started working on the next generation Xbox...2-3 years for the Xbox 720 to get thing dead right - why not begin the process now to shut sony up.
A couple of rumours on the net and a viral marketing strategy perhaps?
Were nearly 3 years into this cycle and, lets be honest, alot of games (but not all!) are starting to play rather ordinary and look somewhat dated.
Come on MS lets have a glimpse of the future.
A couple of rumours on the net and a viral marketing strategy perhaps?
Were nearly 3 years into this cycle and, lets be honest, alot of games (but not all!) are starting to play rather ordinary and look somewhat dated.
Come on MS lets have a glimpse of the future.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 2:25PM (Unverified) said
they started working on the XBOX 720 just after the 360 launched.
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Posted: Jun 13th 2008 1:23PM (Unverified) said
Don't see what the big deal is. You can only sell so many 360's, so it's inevitable that the PS3 would catch up. If someone made a choice to buy a 360 instead of a PS3 that's going to put 360's numbers up, now that same person is ready to get his or herself a PS3. So now that everyone has a 360 the PS3 is bound to gain some ground. Plus MGS4, that's gonna move consoles!
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 2:11PM (Unverified) said
So why does the Wii continues to dominate both 360 and PS3? Sure you might say that the price is an factor, but then the Wii is still in great demand and is hard to find.
I can't wait to see what MS has in store for the 360 at E3. And isn't the 360 coming out a new sku with a brand new chip (Jasper) ?
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I can't wait to see what MS has in store for the 360 at E3. And isn't the 360 coming out a new sku with a brand new chip (Jasper) ?
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 2:29PM Neon Jebus said
The Wii is an issue of price and of demographic. How many 50 & 60 year olds do you know that buy an Xbox 360 or PS3 so they can play games when friends come over?
I can't think of any. But I know of at least two dozen people with children my age (30) who have a Wii so they can play the 'bowling game' when they have friends over. And I LOVE that because people see games are for all ages. But lets face it, those very people spent $250 for something to only play that ONE game. Many will never buy anothr title.
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I can't think of any. But I know of at least two dozen people with children my age (30) who have a Wii so they can play the 'bowling game' when they have friends over. And I LOVE that because people see games are for all ages. But lets face it, those very people spent $250 for something to only play that ONE game. Many will never buy anothr title.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 1:23PM Sgt Cell said
A price drop would be nice for the 360 (this includes accessories as well). MGS is not a system mover, fans will by it, it will not increase sales that much.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 2:38PM bluemanrule said
Let's be honest, the reason a PS3 is a viable options is b/c it plays Blu-Ray...but I digress. Kim just said that MS has three goals moving forward...
Source:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10911&Itemid=2
1) Make the 360 reach the mass market
2) Makde the 360 a mainstream form of entertainment and..
3) How can services, hardware, and content affect that?
#1= Price cut imminent
#2 & #3 = Make the system more approachable w/hardware (motion controller) & software ('casual' games). It's obvious what Microsoft's gameplan is but how they get there is what's interesting.
Source:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10911&Itemid=2
1) Make the 360 reach the mass market
2) Makde the 360 a mainstream form of entertainment and..
3) How can services, hardware, and content affect that?
#1= Price cut imminent
#2 & #3 = Make the system more approachable w/hardware (motion controller) & software ('casual' games). It's obvious what Microsoft's gameplan is but how they get there is what's interesting.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 2:39PM (Unverified) said
Direct proof of this?
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 2:50PM (Unverified) said
Exclusives drive console sales more of the ps3 than on the 360 because sony have enough sense to see the bigger picture and actually make sure that the only place you can play their first party/3rd party exclusives is on the ps3.
Microsoft however are always after to easier more instant trickles of money... they dont actually believe in exclusives. 90% of giller apps that would shift a console from microsoft will end up on the pc also. Third party exclusives are generally only secured enough to be timed.
I know countless pc gamers that have yet to invest in a console.. they love the look of mgs4 and gears of war 2 respectively. Yet they know theres no need to invest in a 360 for gow2...where as the only chance they can have to play mgs4 is on the ps3...this ofcourse makes the ps3 more of an attraction.
Exclusives shift consoles..with every other game being multiplatform, it'll be an exclusive that will make you choose between them. Mgs4 will always be an added plus for investing in a ps3.. be it now, or 2 years from now. Its doubtful we can say the same about halo3..or any other big 360 exclusive.
Microsoft obviously believe that theres still sales to be made with the pc market.. they wouldnt be releasing the games on there if they didnt. So it stands to reason that if those people that bought gears of war on the pc had the option removed then surely the game would be more a temptation to invest in their console. As microsoft make the big money in hardware and more hardware sales means more users which means more xbox live subscriptions.
Microsoft however are always after to easier more instant trickles of money... they dont actually believe in exclusives. 90% of giller apps that would shift a console from microsoft will end up on the pc also. Third party exclusives are generally only secured enough to be timed.
I know countless pc gamers that have yet to invest in a console.. they love the look of mgs4 and gears of war 2 respectively. Yet they know theres no need to invest in a 360 for gow2...where as the only chance they can have to play mgs4 is on the ps3...this ofcourse makes the ps3 more of an attraction.
Exclusives shift consoles..with every other game being multiplatform, it'll be an exclusive that will make you choose between them. Mgs4 will always be an added plus for investing in a ps3.. be it now, or 2 years from now. Its doubtful we can say the same about halo3..or any other big 360 exclusive.
Microsoft obviously believe that theres still sales to be made with the pc market.. they wouldnt be releasing the games on there if they didnt. So it stands to reason that if those people that bought gears of war on the pc had the option removed then surely the game would be more a temptation to invest in their console. As microsoft make the big money in hardware and more hardware sales means more users which means more xbox live subscriptions.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 3:01PM Neon Jebus said
But that exclusive PS3 pool gets a little more shallow everyday. They'll always have their 1st party titles, but I don't buy that they wouldn't love to release some of those for PC after a year of being on their systems. That just isn't their focus.
As for the 3rd party games, we're still waiting to see PS3 offer much in that aren't we? I mean you have Haze...which...well...it was Haze.
With the exception of Halo, the same could be said about Xbox 360 1st party titles. Many are okay, or good, but few are GREAT.
Do they have a lot of cards yet to play in the PS3 camp, sure! They have at least Gods of War and Twisted Metal.
Unless Nintendo actually plans to release multiple Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid, and SSBB games on the Wii, they might have already pushed out all the best 1st party stuff they have to offer this generation.
So does Microsoft have a reason to keep PC's in the game? Sure they do because of software sales (both the game itself AND the OS). Sony has less of a reason to worry about it, unless they can get the titles to only play on a VAIO PC.
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As for the 3rd party games, we're still waiting to see PS3 offer much in that aren't we? I mean you have Haze...which...well...it was Haze.
With the exception of Halo, the same could be said about Xbox 360 1st party titles. Many are okay, or good, but few are GREAT.
Do they have a lot of cards yet to play in the PS3 camp, sure! They have at least Gods of War and Twisted Metal.
Unless Nintendo actually plans to release multiple Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid, and SSBB games on the Wii, they might have already pushed out all the best 1st party stuff they have to offer this generation.
So does Microsoft have a reason to keep PC's in the game? Sure they do because of software sales (both the game itself AND the OS). Sony has less of a reason to worry about it, unless they can get the titles to only play on a VAIO PC.
Posted: Jun 13th 2008 3:12PM (Unverified) said
Exactly. I can still enjoy the top name titles without ever buying a 360, while Sony got my $400
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Posted: Jun 13th 2008 3:20PM Neon Jebus said
But see I can enjoy those games on the 360 and not have to spend money once a year upgrading my computer to play the newest games.
Not to mention...I own an iMac...so well...you know.
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Not to mention...I own an iMac...so well...you know.
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