Analyst: PS3 will keep outpacing Xbox 360, MS may announce price drop at E3
Divnich also believes that Microsoft will announce a price cut at E3 next month, speculating the console could also get a new hardware SKU with added features. He claims if Microsoft does cut the price, Sony will respond with a drop of its own within two months. We're currently gathering up 30 Helens to see what they think.
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Solid Chief @ Jun 13th 2008 10:12AM
OH REALLY?
I swear the prediction was the same last year.
Fucking analysts. I hoe they don't get much money for this crap.
why not the LS2LS7? @ Jun 13th 2008 10:15AM
Didn't MS cut the price of the 360 last year?
But I do agree, these analysts are just guessing, and often they guess worse than even a hardcore game who is paying attention would.
Kizzle @ Jun 13th 2008 10:17AM
What really makes me laugh is people like Michael Pachter winning awards for their analysis of the game industry. Are you fucking kidding me? Half the people who comment on this site could make predictions as accurate (or MORE accurate) than him.
Only difference between Pachter and HAloKiLlaz666 when it comes to analyzing the game industry is Pachter sits behind a desk rather than behind a coffee table with a bong on it.
Solid Chief @ Jun 13th 2008 10:17AM
They did do a price drop...But after E3 (not announced their either, but of course the analysts kept guessing).
Don't prove me wrong with factual sources though! =)
tcc3 @ Jun 13th 2008 10:33AM
That is the best thing ive seen all day, Kizzle.
props.
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 10:42AM
I gotta say the battle for #2 is pretty fun to watch!
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 10:43AM
@ Kizzle,
LMAO so dead on. Although, nothing but grape Swisher Sweets for my purple kush.
tmacairjordan87 @ Jun 13th 2008 10:45AM
It's also pretty fun having games to play Co. So when's the next batch of rehashes due?
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 10:49AM
Right on time with the next batch of FPSs for your 360. We can go all day 87.
tmacairjordan87 @ Jun 13th 2008 10:51AM
Yeah forget about the 4 jrpgs just announced for 360. Face it, the NDF is so short on games now they're reaching far out there and praying on generic games like the Conduit so they can say well...we have like 3 good non nintendo games now.
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ Jun 13th 2008 10:54AM
You know what's really funny? The Pachter hate. It amuses me immensely.
Michael Pachter is not a gaming fucktard. What he IS is an analyst who has access to information you WISH you had. Likewise, his job is to look at "sure bets" and such by gauging public reaction to announced titles. His JOB is to make predictions which will help investers interested in getting in on the gaming market. Plain and simple, his predictions are NOT for you. He looks at the business side of things, not the "OMFG, TeH HaloZ" side of things. And frankly, Pachter has the highest accuracy rating of the analysts. Most analysts are considered performers if they accomplish a 10% accuracy rating. He has 33%. And you, as gamers, are privelaged to a very small portion of his predictions. And the man must be good since his annual salary is the high six figure income.
But since you guys are all "in the know" about this shit, I guess you already KNEW that.
Fernando Rocker @ Jun 13th 2008 10:59AM
jordan
The upcoming lineup of games for the Wii is very good:
Tales of Symphonia, Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon (by tri-Cresendo btw), Samba de Amigo, Mushroom Men, Project O, Spore, Sky Crawlers, Shiren the Wanderer, Monster Hunter 3, MadWorld, The Conduit, Super Mario Sluggers, Wario Land, DeBlob, Deadly Creature, Fatal Frame IV, Tenchu IV, Sonin Unleased, Spyborgs, Samn and Max and a lot more...
Besides the Factor 5 game, the Nintendo unanounced games, the Retro games.
And don't forget WiiWare titles too: World of Goo, Eternityhs Child, Animales de la Meurte, Gyrostarr, Stron Bad.
And the Wii has excellent titles right now, at least better reviewed games than the PS3. And you complain about the lack of good Wii games, but for every good PS3 game, there is a good Wii title.
baby sea tuna @ Jun 13th 2008 11:00AM
Boy, with percentages like that Pachter'd make one helluva weather man!
Fernando Rocker @ Jun 13th 2008 11:01AM
Oh, and look this pretty game, by Vanillawares (Odin Sphere).
Omoro Muramasa
http://nintendofanalliance.com/wii/previews/oboro-muramasa-youtoden-video-and-screenshots.html
tmacairjordan87 @ Jun 13th 2008 11:02AM
Fernando most of those games are games that only appeal to you, the die hard nintendo guy. Tenchu IV...really?? Because the last few were so good right? I've never even heard of some of those you listed, so please don't go on about the wii's upcoming lineup if that's all it includes.
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 11:02AM
Pachter Defense Force? o_O ZOMGWTFBBQ!!!
Blah blah blah, who gives a shit? Well, you do but I don't. Fiddy why do you get all worked up? BTW his guesses from his "information I WISH I had" has been way off lately.
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 11:04AM
"Yeah forget about the 4 jrpgs just announced for 360."
Are any of those games in first person? No? They won't reach 100,000 sold.
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 11:04AM
Fernando I hope you're not serious with that list.
Is joke, yes?
Solid Chief @ Jun 13th 2008 11:07AM
You know whats really funny?
Not unchecking "E-Mail me when someone replies to this comment"
;_;
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 11:10AM
"They won't reach 100,000 sold."
Excuse PS360 for not caving into releasing shovelware party games and focusing on new IP's that push videogames forward instead of going downhill with its bland PS2/Gamecube grafix. SPOGS racer anyone? LMAO!!!
Kizzle @ Jun 13th 2008 11:15AM
Since Sir Fidlious Wong is so easily amused, let's look at his heartfelt diatribe in defense of his close, personal friend Michael Pachter:
"Michael Pachter is not a gaming fucktard."
He's even better - he's a GLORIFIED "gaming fucktard" masquerading as a suit-and-tie.
"What he IS is an analyst who has access to information you WISH you had."
Then I wish he'd start making better use of it, since he is wrong much more often than right (even by the numbers you provide later on). You must not pay attention to comments sections of sites like this too often - odd, since you post here relentlessly. Pachter "makes predictions" that are talked about weeks/months in advance on sites like this.
"Likewise, his job is to look at "sure bets" and such by gauging public reaction to announced titles."
So basically, by your definition, his job is something half the people who read this site could do. Thanks for proving my point.
"His JOB is to make predictions which will help investers interested in getting in on the gaming market. Plain and simple, his predictions are NOT for you."
For christsake, I never said they were. I'm saying that this guy has one of the sweetest deals going, he gets paid big bucks to make a "professionally-presented" version of what most of us are aware of either at the same time as or long before him.
"And frankly, Pachter has the highest accuracy rating of the analysts. Most analysts are considered performers if they accomplish a 10% accuracy rating. He has 33%."
So he's basically the best weatherman.
No, wait. Being a weatherman is harder - it's pretty simple to figure out the upcoming trends in the game industry if you don't have your head in the sand.
"And you, as gamers, are privelaged to a very small portion of his predictions."
LOL at "privileged" (or "privelaged," as you say). I couldn't care less if coverage of his "expert analysis" disappeared tomorrow. I'd be able to read the same thing, sooner, and probably in a more amusing format, on sites like this, Kotaku, Destructoid, et al.
"And the man must be good since his annual salary is the high six figure income."
Oh, obviously. Clearly, salary dictates performance/skill at every job. Ever. In history.
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 11:23AM
Damn Fenix, I hit a sore spot with ya huh buddy? I was talkin bout the 360, not your mom! lol
Kizzle, you're killin him man, lay off!
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 11:32AM
Holy crap Co, dude I didn't even see that you wrote that hahaha! I just retaliated my bad. Its cool, but still you get the point. Or do you? o_O lol
Kizzle PWNT Fidliuos hard.
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 11:39AM
LOL no prob Fenix, you know I wont see your point when u bash my precious!
And while I'm at it cuz it looks like tmacjordan87 is sniping my comments over the last few days, I just saw your comment on The Conduit thread about how i was bashing Killzone 2 screens but defending Conduit screens when they are both out Q1 2009. How does me saying the screens look good, but I can't get past dual analog set ups for FPS games equate??
Stop blindly attacking kid, get facts str8. And stop following me! If u weren't such a git I'd probably be nervous.
SoulBlade @ Jun 13th 2008 11:43AM
What's funny is that the article doesn't really care about the Wii all that much, but tmacairwhatever decides to rag on it for no reason whatsoever. Me thinks someone's a bit insecure with their decisions.
Fernando is to the PS3 what tmacair is to the Wii. Good shit. Now who's going to be the one for the 360?
4MyFriends @ Jun 13th 2008 11:50AM
Noticed how Fidlious Wong hasn't responded yet to the ownage given to him?
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 11:51AM
He's still typing it, thats why. :P
Jack @ Jun 13th 2008 11:55AM
@ Co:
Swisher Sweets FTW!
Fernando Rocker @ Jun 13th 2008 11:58AM
Poor sheppy =(
He is a very cool person, I always talk with him every night, and he is a very smart person, and very funny too.
Other people from here from Joystiq (that are PS3 fanboys) are very good MSN friends... but I will not tell names =p
Eric @ Jun 13th 2008 12:00PM
My bong is on the floor, thank you.
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 12:14PM
"But I will not tell names"
Fernando, WTF are we in Kindergarten? LOL, I have Fidlious aka Sheppy also on my PSN friends list. He's cool but he just goes overboard sometimes no doubt about that. He just goes out of his way to own people but this time I think it backfired. :(
Fernando Rocker @ Jun 13th 2008 12:17PM
Fenix
lol... =p
He is a very nice person, but you need to know him better. It's not an easy going person, but I do enjoy talking with him.
Ah, and Im not telling names, because there are a lot of people from here that, we are like enemies here, but friends outside Joystiq. =p
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ Jun 13th 2008 12:25PM
Must I reply today? Awww, but I have sooo many long lats to enter into the database. Oh well... if I must (because 4myfriends seems to believe I was soo pwnd hard that I have to respond). For sake of space, I'll respond to each section with labels...
-Glorified gaming fucktard: Nope. You see, he has no vested interest in which one wins or loses. He sees Haze's bad scores as a hit Ubisoft now has to take and how it will effect Free Radical as a company rather than a sign of PS3's utter failure. In other words, he's a business man who could give a shit whether Madden is good or bad, so long as it sells. So no, he's not a gaming fucktard.
-Something half the people could do: Really? You could take a look at how asset creation as an outsourcing model effects the cost of development versus the advantage of having exclusive right to those assets? And I'm sure you know exactly how much Midway pays the guy who organizes the outsourcing contracts as well? Nope, you don't. The people who look around here don't. When the fiscal reports come out, what makes the news on these sites? Is it cost incurred versus profits made with analysis on how they improve? Nope, it's when games are announced or delayed and rough percentages. If you want to have a debate with someone about a book, you have to move beyond the cliffnotes. Tht is what Pachter does. He reads the book, you guys debate the cliffnotes.
"professionally presented" version- Well, here is the difference. While only one or two of his comments make the blogs a week, he's making literally hundreds of decisions and making companies millions in investments. He has to predict how good Madden 2010 will do or if Mirror's Edge will be another Bioshock or an Okami. He has to make these predictions far out. And what we are privelage to is the low level shit, facing facts. Otherwise his job as a consultant would be in jeopardy if he basically shared his portfolio plans and strategies with the internet as a whole. So essentially he IS like a weatherman. But he's a weatherman who works hard and his predictions are a commodity, not a time filler.
The value of his comments- He is mentioned because he's important to the industry. Yes, we could get the outside view of Joystiq, Destructoid, etc. But we wouldn't get this information based on retail reports. His PS3 predictions were usually accurate and stem not from an increase in interest to the system but the limited stock available to retail shelves.
As I said before, not defending him, just getting tired of every analyst thread turns into a "fuck Pachter" tirade when in reality, most of the people making these predictions on this blog would be thoroughly disinterested in shifting through the raw data needed to makes those predictions. After all, EVERYONE thought GTAIV would be a massive boon to both 360 and PS3 hardware numbers. Everyone was wrong.
Korova *Pyro aspect* @ Jun 13th 2008 12:29PM
Sir Wong,
Why is the award memorial? Is this Justin's grandpa Justin who has passed on? Or was Justin being morbid?
xFenixKnightx @ Jun 13th 2008 12:34PM
Yo Fidlious...
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q78/devldogs55/chillpill.jpg
Sir Fidlious Wong (Justin T. McElroy Memorial Burn of the Day Award) @ Jun 13th 2008 12:49PM
You can always tell what days I'm frickin bored out of my skull. In the past half hour, I've added 200+ lat longs to a database....
Man I wish we had an app like Speedtree for vehicle placement... Especially since Hawth's Tools tend to crash ArcMap...
Remember kiddos, recreating a major metropolis area = not fun....
why not the LS2LS7? @ Jun 13th 2008 10:14AM
I think PS3 will top the 360 in the US for the next couple months, seeing as it did last month and MGS3 will certainly lead to one or two more.
But it's tough to predict farther than that in the US.
I don't think MS will concentrate on expanding the feature set of 360, I think they'll concentrate on reducing the cost, and hopefully make a slim (which reduces shipping costs BTW).
The PS3 is catching up to the 360 in Europe, it looks like by the end of the year the PS3 will have a larger installed base than 360 in 2 of the big 3 markets. Sony should be happy with that, cause beating out the 360 on unit sales in the US seems unlikely now.
SoCoolCurt (PSN: KillaKornbread) @ Jun 13th 2008 10:22AM
yea i think your spot on. PS3 is a lot closer in Japan and Europe but i doubt it can catch the 360 in the US. they'll probably just go price drop for price drop back and forth for the rest of the generation.
i think Sony should be very pleased with all this considering the dismal failure the PS3 was shaping up to be, they pulled a complete turn around. now if they could just get their damn big name games out that i've been waiting forever for.
onemorehour @ Jun 13th 2008 10:15AM
Kids in the Hall reference appreciated. ^_^
Pureshooter @ Jun 13th 2008 10:16AM
I ascertain that The Kids in the Hall are brilliant.
Shimrra @ Jun 13th 2008 10:16AM
Does it really matter anymore? 360 has done what it wanted to achieve and that is to make a stronger mark in the game console market. PS3 technically is a more powerful system it just lacks more unique gaming experiences backed up by a strong position with online multiplayer community. As a gamer does it really matter what analysts have to say? Does what an analysts prediction play a huge role to that kid or adult in the game store that is looking to buy a new system? Analysts are just like game reviewers where its all about personal opinion and just assumption that what they think is the next big thing.
SoCoolCurt (PSN: KillaKornbread) @ Jun 13th 2008 10:28AM
i think your right in some regards but analyst do have the added perk of being able to look at buying trends and such to make semi-educated predictions. but either way, they are just predictions. a review is completely an opinion.
but all in all, it really wont mean much to the gamer per say, except for flame fuel. on the other hand, it is nice to think that my console of choice is poised to do better especially considering that game developers are probably looking at the same predictions to decide to make new games or not.
why not the LS2LS7? @ Jun 13th 2008 10:39AM
I don't get the obsession over sales and who is beating who anyway. I can enjoy something even if it isn't the most popular thing.
The only thing I can see where sales matter is hardware sales have to be at some minimum level to ensure the platform remains viable. Well, with the PS3 now getting its head above water, all 3 platforms are viable in the US and so there's not a whole lot of point arguing about console sales anymore.
Excitement over game sales baffle me even more. Unless you're getting a cut, why do you care whether your favorite game is the biggest seller?
Co @ Jun 13th 2008 10:47AM
"I don't get the obsession over sales and who is beating who anyway. I can enjoy something even if it isn't the most popular thing."
While I agree with you on enjoying something even though it's not the most popular, not being the market leader really doesn't assist in my enjoyment of that console. See the Gamecube and it's owners last generation, we'll tell ya.
Vcize @ Jun 13th 2008 10:57AM
"I don't get the obsession over sales and who is beating who anyway. I can enjoy something even if it isn't the most popular thing."
Indeed. And thank goodness I don't get stuck on what's the most popular or else I'd be stuck watching American Idol and Precudural Crime Drama #84 instead of Firefly and Lost.
Come to think of it, I don't think my preferred console has EVER been the most popular (well, unless you count the NES but it didn't really have any direct competition).
kataztrophy @ Jun 13th 2008 1:08PM
analysts are just fanboys that get paid for starting rumors. So no, it doesn't really matter.
Kizzle @ Jun 13th 2008 10:17AM
MS is always rumored by "analysts" to have a price drop right around the corner...I guess eventually they'll be right if they keep saying it, right?
The 360 should have price-dropped a year ago...and I don't mean that sissy $20 drop or whatever it was. They were arrogant and sloppy, now they're paying for it.
...which sucks, because despite that I have no desire to own a PS3 - I just want the system I own to stop dropping the ball. My interest in the 360 is fading quickly.
BlackFreefall @ Jun 13th 2008 10:20AM
MGS4 is definitely spikings the sales up for PS3 but is really hard to tell for how long.
The console sales for this fall should be very interesting as both MS and Sony are bringing thier guns to the console fight. (GoW2 and R2)
Korova *Pyro aspect* @ Jun 13th 2008 12:13PM
Its not MGS4, its the $100gc price drop by Walmart. But on a page in July, it will look like MGS4 did it.
Maybe an ignorant developer somewhere will fall for the bait, but they will be wrong. Otherwise, 5cent a disk royalties from BD are coming - oohhh-hooo, break out the bottled water, lets celebrate.
samfish @ Jun 13th 2008 10:21AM
Well looking into MY Crystal Ball (which is covered in sperm for some reason), I see MS and Sony going back and forth this year and by 2009, Sony will be regularly beating MS in hardware sales.