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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 8:06PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 8:08PM (Unverified) said

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EA has definitely ruined football video games. No competition leaves us with the bad Madden games we've had the past few years.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 8:14PM OMGOMG said

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QUIZ TIME!!!!!

Anyone know what year and where this picture was taken?
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 9:34PM (Unverified) said

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2005 Rivalry game at the Texas State Fair. HOOK 'EM!
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 10:32PM OMGOMG said

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Yup!!

The legend of VY continued that day.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 8:47PM AnderFREAK said

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My god, I've never heard of such a shocking injustice that I cared so little about!
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 8:02AM Ghen said

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same, sports games are meh for me all together.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 8:54PM (Unverified) said

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I suppose that you could look at this from a licensing versus monopoly issue. The NFL has a legal monopoly and legal right to their trademark - game rebroadcasts, use of logos, etc. They also have the legal authority to license these things - that's why you can't just market a jersey with the NFL or a team logo on it without permission (and paying royalties).

Technically, anyone could enter into negotiation with the NFL to get a license to use their products. It's just that right now EA has that sewn up.

Where this could - and should - run into anti-monopoly law would be if there were proof of sweetheart deals. While a royalty to the NFL for each game sold would be quite appropriate - EA giving the commissioner a bunch of freebies (aka bribes) in order to keep exclusivity would not.

If these guys really want to succeed, all they really need to do is get Congress or the Supreme Court involved. They should state that EA is making extreme profits from this license, and that the government should step in and do something about it.

Actually, you are in error. If there were legislation passed, then you COULD force a company to license its product, whether it wanted to do so or not. (That's also called socializing it, or basically a mainstay of the Democratic Party in the US.)

EA did not have to lower their price back in '05. That they did so as a result of competition, and then raised it back again when there was no competition, does give some creedence to the monopoloy theory. I suspect that, even though EA has deep pockets for their lawyers, that this will drag out and Congress will end up getting involved due to the potential for good publicity, if nothing else. Justice should be blind - but give a politician a good photo-op, and justice be damned.

My remarks should not be construed as legal advice, either - just common sense from someone who has a Criminology degree and studied pre-law before getting sick of the whole jurisprudence system.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 9:31PM Streeks1984 said

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I am just glad someone has the balls to stand up to them and show that they are doing an injustice by stealin the rights and not allowing for competition....its illegal to become a monopoly.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 9:18PM (Unverified) said

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Hacked Tecmo Bowl roms(updated rosters and teams) > Madden Football.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 10:27PM bigC24 said

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This subject is so, so, soooooo stupid. Come on people. The NFL wanted there to be only one NFL game a year, and with that decision, EA ponied up the dough and Take Two did not.

The only reason we're hearing of this is because people have a blind hate for EA. If Take Two had the license I'd be willing to bet that no one would even make a fuss. It's just dumb.

If you don't like Madden, don't buy it. Simple as that.
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Posted: Jun 18th 2008 10:40PM RyogaVee said

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Amen!
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 12:12AM (Unverified) said

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My objection is not with EA -- they've produced some excellent games and some crappy games (like every other publisher). My objection is with having Madden, and only Madden for a football game. I used to pay for two football video games so I'd get my fill. Now I don't buy anything, because I really don't want to reward EA's anti-competitive behavior. If EA really believed they could put out a better football game than their competitors, they would not want an exclusive license. The only reason they've walled themselves off from competition is to make sure folks pay the $60 for Madden each year.

Screw that. The game has been stagnating for years and the additions they've made haven't made it more fun. Instead of being a strategic game, it's about knowing which gimmick EA has added in this version. Simply put --- EA games has wrecked one of the best sports franchises in video gaming. Congratulations!

Madden sucks. It needs competition to be any good.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 12:21AM RyanLN said

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I agree with Mr. Hare. While I respect EA's right to engage in business practices that ultimately best benefit their bottom line, as a consumer I feel that we take it up the ass with regard to the paucity of choice that we have in our football games, and games in general. Lack of competition is bad for innovation, bad for quality and ultimately bad for the consumer- all you have to do is look at AT&T's multi-year monopoly and the paucity of innovation that took place when they ruled the world. I'm not sure what it will take to change the playing field, but clearly, while this may be working for the NFL and EA, it's not working for us- or more specifically, ME.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 10:40AM Vcize said

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@James

"If EA really believed they could put out a better football game than their competitors, they would not want an exclusive license. The only reason they've walled themselves off from competition is to make sure folks pay the $60 for Madden each year."

Maybe, just maybe you should take 2 seconds to figure out how this actually went down before spouting off drivel like this.

The exclusive license thing was the NFL's idea, NOT EA's. The NFL put their exclusive license up for bid, and everyone that wanted it (including Take Two) put in a bid. EA's was just the highest.

Now granted, I'm sure that EA was more than happy to oblige, but this wasn't some case of some EA exec sitting around saying "hmmmm, we're scared of the competition and of having to drop our price, what can we do? I KNOW! We'll go to the NFL and get an exclusive license!". The NFL came to THEM.

They didn't do it specifically to get rid of competition (although again I'm sure they didn't mind that side-effect), they did it because if they didn't they wouldn't be able to use the license at all, and there would be no more Madden.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 12:07AM (Unverified) said

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The real answer is not to purchase any NFL-branded games from EA. Considering that Madden hasn't voiced a single next-gen game, I really see no reason to purchase any "Madden" game.

I liked the NFL2K series -- Sega did a bang-up job delivering a fun-to-play football simulation. I enjoy Madden, but I'm not skipping work for it. I haven't bought a football game since I got burned buying the first two Madden games for the 360. More than the exclusivity contract, the crappy games for the 360 really drove me away from Madden.

That and realizing that my Redskins were always going to suck in Madden so it really didn't matter what year I was playing.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 12:56AM LoneStarDawg said

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Hook em HORNS!!!! ...and GO Georgia BULLDOGS TOO! Sorry I rep for both...
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 8:44AM UTBrian said

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Hook 'em!
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 8:46AM (Unverified) said

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As do I cowdawg. As do I.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 1:56AM Schuey19 said

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I could be wrong here - and please correct me if I am - but if there is any issue over the rights and/or wrongs of exclusivity shouldn't that lawsuit be directed at the NFL not EA?

It was the NFL that decided to only issue their license to one comany; they offered every/any company the opportunity to by the license and EA outbid the competition. Once they paid for that right what they then did with it was completely up to them (as long as upheld their part of the agreement).

As much as I'd like to see more football games, this lawsuit just seems a) stupid & b) aimed at the wrong people just because of all the EA hate in the world.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 10:46AM Vcize said

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People hate EA, and people love the NFL.

While I am also one of those people, it seems most others would rather just use this as another reason to blindly find fault with them and yell "OMGZ EA WAS SCARED OF COMPETITION SO THEY CHICKEN OUT AND BUY WIN LOLZ!!!"

It's kind of similar to the way that people decided NFL 2k5 was going to be the greatest football game of all time before ever playing it because it wasn't Madden and it was released for $20. And kind of the same way people say that APF2k8 is under-appreciated and much better than that Madden '08 slop (it is slop, but so is 2k8) when they both play almost exactly the same because they decided that before ever playing it.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 2:20AM btdome said

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A slight correction:

"...we will soon see 2009. Each of these games is priced at the standard game rate for each generation of consoles."

That's actually not accurate for Madden 2009. As 1Up and Joystiq have pointed out before, the only way to actually get the full Madden 2009 game on next gen systems, which integrates the NFL Head Coach spinoff, is to buy the "Collector's Edition" for $89.99.

Now, you can debate whether or not this is worth it, but Madden's previous "Collector's Edition," a PS2 exclusive which included a full three prior versions of the game (it's probably just the same dinky bonus material, let's face it) only retailed for $59.95, or $10 more than the normal game. That's compared to $30 more today.

http://football.about.com/b/2004/06/03/ea-announces-madden-collectors-edition.htm
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167134

Yes, this is a pointless argument and yes, I'll buy this game anyway to play it with my brother. But honestly, I don't think there's any way that EA would be charging $89.99 for anything if they had serious competition.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 8:44AM UTBrian said

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What? Madden is $60 just like every other game: http://www.amazon.com/EA-Madden-NFL-09/dp/B0012N7BSI

And Head Coach is coming on it's own: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3167521
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 9:36AM btdome said

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I was talking about the differences in prices for the Collector's Edition, not the normal bonus-free version.

http://www.amazon.com/Madden-NFL-20th-Anniversary-Collectors/dp/B0017I8L9Q/

That 1up post you link to is correct, but according to the official site, Head Coach is only going to be integrated into Madden 09 the Collector's Edition.

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/28/head-coach-09-only-available-in-madden-09-collectors-edition/

Whether you can buy it separately is irrelevant. You could buy the N64, PS1, and SNES versions included on the 2005 Collector's Edition separately too - the point is that this is one version of the game that has had a marked price increase.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 10:49AM Vcize said

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Are you joking? When game's include some crap like an old version of the game or an artbook they raise the price $10, when they include something big that they put a lot of time into they raise it by more.

I guess by your logic, Rockstar charged ungodly amounts for their collector's edition because they have the exclusive license on what, Spruce soda machines?

Rest assured, if it was the usual collector's edition with a shiny box and a "making of" DVD it would be $10 more than the regular version just like always.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 10:39AM Vcize said

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"If EA really believed they could put out a better football game than their competitors, they would not want an exclusive license. The only reason they've walled themselves off from competition is to make sure folks pay the $60 for Madden each year."

Maybe, just maybe you should take 2 seconds to figure out how this actually went down before spouting off drivel like this.

The exclusive license thing was the NFL's idea, NOT EA's. The NFL put their exclusive license up for bid, and everyone that wanted it (including Take Two) put in a bid. EA's was just the highest.

Now granted, I'm sure that EA was more than happy to oblige, but this wasn't some case of some EA exec sitting around saying "hmmmm, we're scared of the competition and of having to drop our price, what can we do? I KNOW! We'll go to the NFL and get an exclusive license!". The NFL came to THEM.

They didn't do it specifically to get rid of competition (although again I'm sure they didn't mind that side-effect), they did it because if they didn't they wouldn't be able to use the license at all, and there would be no more Madden.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 10:41AM Vcize said

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Ugh, that was a response up above. GF comment system.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 11:18AM DericLee said

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What good is a "quality control" clause if the person inspecting the product knows dick about it, most average games always thing Madden is great and don't know enough about the history of the game/gameplay to even care if it's less the stellar.

It would be nice if the NFL actually cared about what EA did, but they don't, and thats the problem.

Last years Madden had three players missing from my teams roster, in roster updates they where never added, yet on Sunday they where always playing.

Thats just for one team in the game, the NFL needs to step up the quality control and force EA to better invest in their representation of the NFL.
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Posted: Jun 19th 2008 7:03PM (Unverified) said

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I agree that EA has a right to an exclusive license to use the NFL name and all it entails in its games, but I think people are just tired and scared. EA is openly trying take over the whole gaming industry. With one company making most of the games, the threat of stale games becomes a reality. Nobody wants to waste fifty bucks on a phoned in IP. http://popentrev.blogspot.com
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