Technically GW isn't an MMO, yet considering that all level 70 ever do in WoW is grind Molten Core 24/7 for Epic Lootz, GW could as well count as one.

Excuse me, but how is Guild Wars NOT "Technically" an MMORPG?

Is it Massively Multiplayer? Check!
Is it a Role Playing Game? Check!
Is it Online? Most of the time.

He may be referring to the server system they use in which players are isolated from the rest of the playing world (depending on location). Though I hardly think that stops it from being massively multiplayer and an RPG.

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It has potential but its only about half way done, content pretty much runs out at about level 50 except for the bare minimum needed to progress to 80. There are so many bugs to list them would be quite an undertaking, and rather than fix any of the bugs or add more content the dev team seems intent on modifying every single class to make the grind take longer and become more unplayable...

It could be a great game but they need to get their priorities straight or the success will be short lived.

Sounds eerily like when WoW first launched.

Yeah, it's fun and will only get better from here.

Basically, the game is unfinished and kind of buggy. Its great up till lvl 20, so-so to good until lvl 45+, bad after 50+ worse at 80 when you find out there's no end game and you have nothing to do with your level 80 character but farm mats over and over again.

In short, its not worth the $50-$80.00 price tag(depending onw hich version you buy) and definitely not worht the monthyl fee once you reach lvl 50. Some people might pay for a month after their free period if they game very casually and haven't reached 50 though but I suspect next month you'll see more and more pople drop out of AoC.

I know I did as it has nothing to offer me. Perhaps its my own fault for leveling my character to get to the end game? Maybe if I had enjoyed the ride and leveled very slowly or leveled characters from 8 classes at once, by the time I reached end-game they'd have had content to keep me interested?

Either that or funcom should have made some end-game content during theri 4 yeras of development time. No Directx 10 mode as promised yet, no pvp experience system and no functional(non-buggy/winable) mounted pvp combat. Three things that would add at least a point out of 10 to the games worth.

At least a few hundred thousand paying subscribers disagree with you :p (Me among them)

It's you "few hundred thousand" that are proving my point.

As far as I can tell your point wasn't to disagree with the statement that the game is 'garbage, plain and simple'.

What do you think is more likely... That a few hundred thousand ppl disagree with you that the game is rubbish and actually like it, or that it's purely a matter of a few hundred thousand stupid people being fooled by the evil corporations that are Eidos/Funcom into spending hours playing the game?

Not that I'm sticking up for age of conan, because I particularly don't like the look or the way it's geared (more towards pvp, which I don't like doing) but when WoW came out I was told by several people in my guild who bought it launch day that it was very unplayable for a couple months.

Takes a while to get MMO's up and running fine.

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*What cinematics? o.0

*Interface is essentially similar to WoW, but with the option to choose your direction of attack... I don't see what problems you're referring to.

*The starting area is widely considered to be one of the best parts of the game... (Voice acting, story based night-time quests).

*Characters are much more customizable than most other MMO's (especially WoW)! Sure lots of people choose to be hot males or hot females... But believe me, you can create some really ugly bastards! Loads of stuff can be customized, I actually prefer the character creation in AoC to WoW/Tab.Rasa/LotRO/EO.

I think the main problem with character 'uniqueness' is not the appearance of the people, but rather the fact that there isn't enough variety in the armour appearance. That bugs me, but will be addressed over the coming months hopefully.

*Since when do people judge MMO's based on the overarching story? It's about the stories you encounter while questing, which are rather good (see my post about it further down). The main storyline with its voice acting is just a bonus.

*Why does the battle system make no sense to you? You mean the directional attacks? Has been pretty intuitive to everyone I've shown the game to...


Off topic though, I know I keep defending this game, but I just feel that the developers care about it and are going to improve it. Some people are ripping the game to shreds with negative comments and I think it's turning people off the game who might really enjoy. I have bought just about every MMO since WoW and I'm really liking AoC (I've been playing it since launch but I'm not that high level - I'm 41. But this is someone who bought WoW at launch and who's main is still at lvl 42 :p

Clearly you just think the opposite of what I think, lol. We obviously have different tastes in our MMO's so I won't try and refute everything you've said (although I could) When I say cinematics I mean the voice acting when you get quests. Not really a cinematic but i like to think it fits. The character customization is superior to World of Warcraft.. but most of the customization is pointless. I mean, if they scrapped all of the "chin width" and "eyebrow height" options and just left "boob size" I would think the same thing of it. The battle system is indeed at least SORT OF intuitive, as far as melee directions go. But when performing a special ability I find it kind of stupid and repetitive to tap not only the button for the special ability but ALSO a direction that really doesn't make much sense as I only have one option anyway. No choice is being made, so why throw in the challenge of pressing a direction key in time?

The starting area is indeed quite entertaining and helps you think that the game is a beautiful experience, especially for an MMO (it is) but the night quests (to me) kill the point of an MMO. Sure, you can't get ganked while questing about.. but I think what is magical about MMO's is everyone is questing and leveling and playing on the same field. If you run into them, there they are. Instead, the night time quests is like running into an instance in WoW by yourself. And I pay 15 bucks a month for an online service so I can truly feel as if I'm online. Not playing my super nintendo. Then, I don't know if the night-time, solo questing happens throughout the game in other forms.

The interface is a bit of a mess and doesn't even attempt to look pretty OR easy to follow. If you want to reach your skills menu, gigantic stone pillars descend from the heavens blocking your view of anything in the game.. unlike WoW where a tiny little box pops up that somehow shows more information in a smaller space.

And lol, I guess I just have a thing for overarching story lines.

Ok so I did refute all that you said. I know that the AoC developers are doing everything they can to improve their little baby.. But the game is not poised to destroy WoW. It still needs a LOT of work. Even so, by far the second best MMO i've played.

So they've pretty much got a month and a half-ish to turn their entire game around before the statistics show that its epic phail? Good luck, Funcom >_>

Pretty much. In my case, I've already left and haven't looked back. Anyone want to buy my copy of AoC and my account off me? Its got a Priest of Mithra on it.

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Psyclerk, the prophet. CoD4 comes to mind.

There is some of that but no more than the competition tbh. If you can't stand any grinding then AoC might frustrate you at times. But there are some real standout quests. The one I played most recently involves solving a murder mystery... You have to investigate dead bodies, talk to witnesses and eventually find the murderer.

In another cool quest you have to track down who has poisoned the water supply to a city. You travel to different parts gradually unraveling what happened.

Lots of the quests are written with a good dose of humour and have made me lol occasionally.

Imho the quests are good, I consider myself a fan :)

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