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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:29AM SheppyReturns said

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This slightly annoys me. Why? Several reasons.

1. As hardcore fucked as PS3's version of Rockband was until March (read, spare controllers lacking availability), this seems like a kick in the dick to those of use who suffered while Harmonix and Neversoft were fighting over the use of a cherry scented marker in kindergarten.

2. We don't know where DLC priorities will exist for Rock Band when Rock Band 2 ships. Mainly, we don't know if PS3 fans just get a couple months of nothing while the DLC focus shifts.

3. Since Harmonix disabled the ability to allow the leader to choose songs players didn't buy, the workaround was the lack of DRM on PS3. So when I played online with friends across the nation, we were able to play the same stuff whereas on 360, that wasn't possible.

4. I don't see the reasoning behind the timed exclusive right now. The pressure is on to provide a comparable product on PS3, Wii, and PS2 come GHIV's launch time. Pissing away that window for a bonus seems, well, retarded.

5. I like cheese.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:31AM Dr said

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So you're annoyed that you own Rock Band for the PS3, then.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:35AM monkeyssuck said

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That's not what he means at all. Distribution across all platforms, no matter how difficult, should try to be as equal as possible. The guitar thing was ridiculous, as well as the other issues he pointed out.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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I can answer the DLC question. DLC will work for RB1 and RB2, so once RB2 is out, any DLC announcements will be for BOTH RB1 and RB2. So PS3 owners will still be able to keep up with the DLC, even if they have to wait for the sequel.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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@Sheppy

"2. We don't know where DLC priorities will exist for Rock Band when Rock Band 2 ships. Mainly, we don't know if PS3 fans just get a couple months of nothing while the DLC focus shifts."

This is one thing that you don't need to worry about. Dan Teasdale said in the IGN interview that:

"As far as Harmonix is concerned, there's no difference between 'Rock Band 1 DLC' and 'Rock Band 2 DLC' – we're just releasing awesome songs every week onto the Rock Band platform, all of which are playable by the Rock Band titles that support DLC.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:43AM copa said

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1. Yeah, MTV still has not figured out how to handle worldwide launch and distribution of such a peripheral-heavy product.

It is indeed fucking annoying, but they just don't have the resources or experience to handle this, so they have had to stagger regions and platforms in their release schedule. I really can't believe that Australia still hasn't got RB1 yet.

2. Sheppy, Dan explained in the interview that all DLC, past and future, will work with both RB1 and RB2. So they DLC release schedule will be completely orthogonal to the RB2 release, and PS3 fans will not get 'a couple of months of nothing.'

3. That free sharing exemption has always been very generous on the PS3 (and there is a lesser known, but slightly more complicated way to do the same thing on the XBox 360). I definitely agree that it's a nice thing for consumers, but I can also understand licensors expecting people to actually buy the songs if they want to play them.

4. I suspect they once again don't have the ability to do a full launch across all regions and platforms. Also, it's possible that Sony might not be ready to support the DLC backward-compatibility. And yes, it helps that Microsoft is willing to step up with big marketing dollars.

5. I have no emotional response to that.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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I agree with your comments 1, 2, & 4. But 3 just escapes me. No matter how I read that I can't understand it the way your intending it. Anyone care to explain that bit?
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:46AM Dr said

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I wasn't going to go through point by point because that's just annoying. But why not!

1. Yes, it was ridiculous that Sony allowed Activision to block a patch for a competing game. What does this have to do with Rock Band 2?

2. They've announced that all DLC will be compatible. I don't understand the concern here?

3. That's how any multiplayer DLC works. This is hardly a Rock Band issue.

4. I'll agree on that one. I wonder if it isn't anything to do with exclusivity, though, and more to do with streamlining development to have the 360 out quicker.

As you can see, 4 is really the only point that has anything to do with RB2... The rest are really just complaints about RB or the PS3 network in general.

So, you're annoyed that you own RB for the PS3?
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:58AM SheppyReturns said

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Allow me to clarify...

1. PS3's Rock Band was severely screwed initially. I can't believe Harmonix will once again put PS3 fans out to pasture after the HUGE scandal they had last year over basically hiding the claims of guitar compatibility.

3. This wasn't a concern initially. As an example, I don't have the Metallica pack. I don't care much for them. Around launch, I played online Rock Band with some CGtalkers. Despite me having not bought the packs though, the leader was able to select the song and after a brief download time (~1 minute on the "loading" screen), we were playing Blackened. We did this with a few other songs but she couldn't pick songs we had downloaded. It was, in essence, the Leaders library was open to the group. This was disabled in the patch which added the music store.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:36AM (Unverified) said

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yeah you'll be able to play your old content on the new rockband 2 which is an awesome feature

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:44AM RangerPrimeX said

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RB2 all the way.
I have both RB1 and GH3 for the 360. I even use the GH3 guitar in RB because I like it more but I have no interest in GH4 or any of the one offs they keep doing. The idea of being able to use DLC in either RB1 or RB2 is brilliant. I hope they find a way for me to pull the game tracks from RB1 for use in RB2 but I understand if that does not happen. Plus the fact that they just have to be different with the GH4 drum kit and be difficult with peripheral compatibility has soured me towards them.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:53AM aristokrat said

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I was thinking the same thing. If they would let you load all your RB1 songs onto your HD (along with your profiles even, which make would it sweeter), that'd be awesome.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:44AM (Unverified) said

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This is utterly retarded.
Us PS3 owners OUTSIDE AMERICA don't even have fucking Rock Band 1 yet, and won't till later this year!!! And when we get it, eventually, it'll be wallet-crushingly expensive.

So why the hell would we buy it now?! It'd be like us finally getting Resistance 1 in Autumn, while only the US gets Res2. Why even buy it.
They may as well put a flag on the cover, and call it "Rock Band USA: Fuck you Europe"

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:08PM Duke said

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You do know there are legal, technical, and financial reasons you get things later right? Maybe you should yank some of that anger away from game companies and aim it towards the EU system. The makers don’t do this because it’s funny to them - It makes them lose money.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 1:48PM baby sea tuna said

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"They may as well put a flag on the cover, and call it "Rock Band USA: Fuck you Europe"

Dear god I wish that they had the balls to do that.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:53AM (Unverified) said

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Seems like a money hat. Just like Rb 1 in europe, and now rb 2 in NA. It seems as MS feels there line up for the holiday is weak, thus they are trying to buy reasons to buy the 360 instead of the ps3, wii, or ps2. It could also work, but they should atried to get the other games delayed until after x-mas, but i guess that would require a bigger moneyhat.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:55PM (Unverified) said

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I agree, it just seems like MS is doing everything that they can to slow their competitors sales. Essentially, if all of the DLC will work between both RB games, there can't be too much tweaking required for the engine; programming delays aren't likely the reason for the seperate release.

I can't say it's due to the holiday layout, though, since it is stated the other systems will get theirs 'later in the year'. So long as I have it eventually, I'll be just as happy.
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Posted: Aug 2nd 2008 10:19PM crtavo said

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I only have a Wii, so I'm still pissed at Harmonix for releasing a port of the crappy PS2 version of RB 6 months later with nothing new but 5 songs I don't care about. Besides, the biggest selling point for RB2 being RB1's DLC has no effect on me or any other Wii owner.
I have GH3 since launch, and since my guitar will work with GH:WT, it will have SD card compatibility for DLC, and it looks like it has the better peripherals (Harmonix can't add all that stuff, it'd be kind of bad for ppl with the old instruments that want to have access to everything without paying that much more), well the answer seems obvious to me

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:07PM spin cycle said

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Oh jesus. Screw you too Harmonix.

It wasn't enough Activision jammed it up PS3 owners' asses sideways, but now we have Harmonix in on it too.

I'm thinking I won't buy GH:On Tour or Rock Band 2.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:21PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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NO! I'm infuriated they're doing this, they just freakin' released Rock Band not even 9 months ago, they've added a decent, though not spectacular amount of DLC, why are we getting a Rock Band sequel?? I see no reason for doing this except for them wanting more money.
I thought Rock Band was supposed to be like "it's own platform" or whatever they called this. Jesus, all I want is for Pink Floyd on the original, not another game!

"Hi, I'd like to get a new stereo on my car installed."

"We can't do that, BUT we can sell you a new car!"

"But I just got this car 9 months ago, I just want a new stereo installed."

"You don't want a new stereo, you want to buy this new car!"

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:25PM (Unverified) said

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ooh get angry and bang your fists because you don't read!

Rock Band isn't being dropped. The same DLC works for both versions. You've lost nothing, get back in the sand box keep playing!
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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343 Guilty Fart
"I thought Rock Band was supposed to be like "it's own platform" or whatever they called this. Jesus, all I want is for Pink Floyd on the original, not another game!"

better hope they dont release it on RB2 only


@jsn

So what your saying all new DLC for RB2 will also work for Rock band number 1 ***


***[exception ps2/wii systems]
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 2:08PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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@jsn - But what's the point then of releasing a new game anyways if all DLC is going to be compatible? Wouldn't it just make more sense to use the "platform" they've already developed rather than releasing a whole new game/set of peripherals? Even if they are backwards compatible, it still seems like a waste, why not just release it all as DLC then?

Plus, I'm really just more annoyed that they just released the original RB not even a year ago, it's not like we needed a new RB or there was some sort of desire in the community to have one released.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:27PM ScottG13 said

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This is an easy buy for me. I've got lots of DLC and a full set of instruments. I'm not sure about GH:WT, but a new disc full of songs and UI improvements for Rock Band is an automatic buy for the best party game I've ever seen.

Well played, Harmonix.

Also, the 360 exclusivity is probably a development choice. I suspect the 360 version has sold the best and the DLC has sold even better so its become their top priority. Probably a good business decision.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 12:27PM (Unverified) said

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I came real close to buying rock band for 360 yesterday. glad i didn't. i'll probably be picking this one up, especially knowing that rb1 dlc works with it

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 1:57PM copa said

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You know, I am afraid to ask this, but how do you justify the accusation that Harmonix was "hiding the claims of guitar compatibility?"

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 4:25PM ChooChooCharlie said

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It's from a statement you made above, but I'm replying directly to you so that you'll see this.

You mentioned above that there was a workaround for the 360 for sharing songs with others online as long as the leader has purchased the DLC, but that it is "lesser known". How can this be done? Do you know how, or have just heard of it?

That would be really awesome if it was true.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 5:32PM copa said

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Since the March patch for Rock Band, the authorization process for DLC has changed. Now you can recover your gamertag on a friend's machine, download and authorize the content, and then the content will continue to work even after you recover your gamertag back to your original machine.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 2:06PM Sponge said

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If RB1 DLC works with RB2, and they should be adding DLC support for Wii, will Wii owners get access to RB1 DLC?

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 2:12PM Tez said

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The drum set with double bass pedals wins.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 2:20PM (Unverified) said

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all right boys, i got a dilemma. i have rock band for ps3, with about 80 dlc songs. rb2 for ps3 will come later, which sucks for me, but i was planning on buying a 360 in the next few weeks. should i get rb2 for 360 and just start downloading all the new dlc for that, or wait for the ps3 version to come out so i can play all my dlc plus the new dlc?

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 7:24PM Lekko said

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That depends...

are you made of money?
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Posted: Jul 1st 2008 3:01AM (Unverified) said

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Good news, except for the fact they gimped Wii again... in fact, in the original statement, they don't even have Wii. Knowing what they did for RB1, they will gimp the wii version AGAIN.

And don't blame Wii for its lack of DLC: Activision manage to do it for Wii, and read from SD, so why not RB2?

Thanks a hunch, hamronix. I will just stick with GH:WT, which will have cooler drums anyway.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 3:25PM fulluphigh said

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Yeah, absolutely- especially for use Wii owners where Harmonix screwed the pooched. We see who is really innovating and who really cares about Wii owners, and its not Harmonix.

Yeah. Obviously it's activision then. With the pitiful mistake of neglecting to check for Stereo sound, and taking months to get the patch available, followed by a month without your copy of the game. Obviously, Activision.

To be honest, I'm sick of the cheapassedness of both companies right now. Harmonix: "We're gonna take the cheap way out and neglect to include any features on the wii." Activision: "We're just flat out money grubbing bastards. Money money money."

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 3:35PM KingBroly said

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A development reality? Rock Band on PS3 and 360 were released day and date last year, I don't see why this should be any different this year. I guess the PS2 and Wii ones understandable since EA could care less about those 2 versions (despite being the biggest systems out there right now in terms of install base), but this exclusivity really hurts Rock Band since they're not #1, and Guitar Hero looks to bite them big time this year. Not a good move in my opinion.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 5:07PM (Unverified) said

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I have a much more important question.

Did they "GH4" it, and make everything more complicated so you HAVE to buy new hardware, or will we be able to use our Rock Band instruments in it.

Innovation is cool and everything, but innovate gameplay. There's a limit to how many plastic guitars and drumsets a living room can hold.

Posted: Jul 9th 2008 6:57PM fyian said

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I don't understand. The GH3 guitar works with GH4, and the new instruments didn't exist before.

Unless you're mad that the RB controllers don't work with GH4 - then I understand.
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Posted: Jun 30th 2008 5:35PM (Unverified) said

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Here's a tip to producers. I will buy the game that comes up in Australia. Simple...

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 5:48PM Keithustus said

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Three most important features of RB 2 for me:

1. CHECK! RB1 DLC on RB2.
2. UNKNOWN. GH3 guitars on RB2.
3. DOUBTFUL. RB1 music onto HDD for RB2 use.

Posted: Jun 30th 2008 11:09PM Deprincer said

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I'm way down for adding a one or two octave keyboard. It'd probably be the hardest thing to play after the drums. But man that'd be fun.

Posted: Aug 30th 2008 12:10PM (Unverified) said

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Since the RB2 is going to have 20 extra downloadable songs for the wii, ps3, and x360 for free. What are they going to give the people with rb on ps2. Are they going to give us a disc with the 20 songs included in the bundle or a voucher for it.

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