Insomniac not 'currently' adding trophies to Ratchet or Resistance

by Alexander Sliwinski { Jul 2nd 2008 at 7:00PM }

After it was announced that Uncharted and, well, "every game" for the PS3 will receive Trophies, many expected Insomniac's two titles would be on the shortlist of receiving updates in the "foreseeable future." Sadly, Insomniac's Bryan Intihar expresses on the PlayStation Blog that Ratchet and Clank Future and Resistance: Fall of Man aren't getting Trophy updates soon.

Intihar writes that there are currently no plans to add Trophies because the company's "No. 1 focus" is finishing up Resistance 2. We're disappointed, but we'll take this to mean Insomniac isn't dismissive of Trophies and giving it over to the summer intern as busy work.

Tags: Insomniac, Trophies

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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)

Mr Khan @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:06PM

I doubt they would be dismissive, they pioneered the idea way back when

Lars @ Jul 2nd 2008 8:48PM

I don't think they're being dismissive, just that they're using all their manpower on Resistance 2. When you're in the thick of a programming project it can be kinda jarring to switch gears and cause a loss in productivity.

Seems a no-brainer for Ratchet though, since they've already got the "skill points" system.

Brian @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:13PM

Not nearly as dissappointing as Infinity Ward claiming they will not support trophies in CoD4. To bad Sony couldn't influence them to patch it because it's one of the PS3's most played games.

Lars @ Jul 2nd 2008 8:53PM

I'm shocked at how popular CoD4 is... aside from the consistently high framerate it's really nothing special. The gun models and character animations are good, but the environment looks dated, almost like they built it on the HL1 engine.

"Hello, CoD4? 1998 called, they want their generic FPS back."

Heh, I know I'll get flamed for that one!

gore on the floor @ Jul 2nd 2008 10:11PM

Call of Duty 4 does have its share of problems, but I think you might be a little over-dismissive. At least from my perspective.

That game has single-handedly ruined every other 360 shooter for me. (Halo 3, Vegas 2, Battlefield: Bad Company, etc. But not including TF2) I'm not an FPS junkie by any stretch, so take that as you may. But no matter what else I try to play, it always comes back to CoD.

What's funny is I couldn't be more bored with the game, but nothing else really measures up at the moment. Hoping for good things from Left 4 Dead.

SimbaDogg @ Jul 3rd 2008 12:46AM

i could give two shits about trophies for PS3 for COD4 for one reason. Rumble. patch this, and i'll be 10x happier, it wouldn't be that damn hard anyways
rumble> trophies

Jonah Falcon @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:14PM

I don't see Bungie saying, "Halo 3 is too much work. Can't deal with the Achievements."

why not the LS2LS7? @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:17PM

If Sony already booked all the income from Halo 3, I think you very much might. There's a non-trivial amount of effort in updating a game and requalifying it. So saying you'll put trophies into a game as you make it is not the same as retrofitting it into older games.

If MS comes out with a motion controller, do you think they'll go back and patch PGR3 to support it?

Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ Jul 2nd 2008 10:00PM

Well that's because unlike Sony, Microsoft makes it a requirement for game developers to include achievements in their games.

Vidikron (FU) @ Jul 2nd 2008 11:41PM

That's a pretty dumb comparison. Halo 3 was created with achievements already as a requirement. R&C was created without the Trophy system in place and now they are working on another project. The two situations are absolutely nothing alike.

why not the LS2LS7? @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:15PM

Makes sense to me. Putting the effort into new game makes sense than putting them into old games.

Dwag @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:17PM

seriously just when I was about to stop playing 360 and whip the PS3 for the only solid multiplayer I have on the system they say not currently which translates to just forget it we ain't gonna do Trophies.

Cyro @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:22PM

Rachet and Clank is the one true game the PS3 has that I wish I had on the 360. :/

I dont think that will ever happen anyways.

Brian @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:22PM

There is a lot to be gained by patching an older title. A player like myself who will be a trophy whore would consider renting, borrowing, or buying an older game from a bargin bin somewhere. The game might be really good and make me want to buy the new one when it comes out. But I'll never know because I won't play the the old title without trophies.

I'm sure the game companies put some value on keeping customers and I wish they did more to attract new ones.

why not the LS2LS7? @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:32PM

Yes, but you need to look at the allocation of resources within the Insomniac. If all their people are busy on Resistance 2, would it make business sense to deemphasize that and prioritize updating Resistance 1 and R&C over it?

Sometimes you just can't find the resource, even if it does make sense. Look at the problems with Unreal Engine on PS3. Would they have been smarter to delay Gears of War while they make UE work better on PS3?

Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:47PM

More than just Resistance 2, Insomniac is currently baking three different projects and readying a new studio expansion to be opened in NC at the end of the year.

LaughingTarget @ Jul 2nd 2008 8:04PM

Explain how renting or buying a used game benefits Insomniac. The revenues go to someone not named Insomniac.

gore on the floor @ Jul 2nd 2008 8:37PM

There's a lot to be gained by whom, exactly?

I think if any company followed your warped logic, they'd be in a deep hole.

Couldn't you have just saved us the time of reading that entire comment and said, "I really like achievement points"?

Rodrigo @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:28PM

nooooooooooooo!!!!!!

Jacksons @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:35PM

For it being the last few months of development at a company that releases a game every year, I'm guessing extra time is not something they have a surplus of.

Jak Logan @ Jul 2nd 2008 7:50PM

Why would Ratchet and Clank need Trophies? That's what their Skill Points are anyway...

aristokrat @ Jul 2nd 2008 8:15PM

Conversely, how hard could it be for them to turn those Skill Point triggers into Trophies instead? That should be the easiest thing for them to patch.

Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Jul 2nd 2008 8:41PM

Right now I'd prefer they finish Resistance 2 and ready the new studio.

why not the LS2LS7? @ Jul 2nd 2008 10:31PM

Every update takes time. You have to do a huge testing cycle, and their testing resources are probably busy on another project.

sad robot @ Jul 2nd 2008 9:25PM

"Right now I'd prefer they finish Resistance 2 and ready the new studio."

agreed. They can worry about that later or just add it to the upcoming games, it is not a big deal.

Matt Ferens @ Jul 2nd 2008 9:12PM

Is anyone else sick of these half-baked attempts to match competitors that Sony keeps churning out? Well, you can have "trophies", but only in a couple games and you have to replay the game, oh and by the way, the update might fry your console. Well, I guess we really should put rumble in and shaft early adopters by making them pay a large amount to upgrade. Well, I guess we should make an avatar system like the Wii, but make sure we keep hyping it and then delaying it, thats the best way. Seriously, why can't they just concentrate on making new and innovative things rather than trying to copy everyone else. Wii is doing it and it still appears to be crushing the competition.

And if they MUST copy the competition, they should at least think it totally through. ALL games should have had trophies available at the time of the 2.4 release.

Noshino @ Jul 2nd 2008 9:44PM

....ok?

"Well, you can have "trophies", but only in a couple games and you have to replay the game"

"ALL games should have had trophies available at the time of the 2.4 release"

They can't force developers (3rd party) to make them available, and as for their 1st party developers, have you realized that they are all under preasure already? they are all working on games right now with really tight schedules...

"oh and by the way, the update might fry your console."

This matter was brought by Kotaku, whom got the information from the PS forums, which again only happened to be very few.

The matter blew out of proportion and so they pulled it from the net so it wouldn't grow any further.

"Well, I guess we really should put rumble in and shaft early adopters by making them pay a large amount to upgrade."

I do agree on this

"Well, I guess we should make an avatar system like the Wii, but make sure we keep hyping it and then delaying it, thats the best way."

If Im not wrong, Home dates back to the PS2 era, there was a rumor about it first being The Getaway 3, but then Harrison saw more promise on it, and they turned it into Home...this was far before we had even heard about the Wii...

"Seriously, why can't they just concentrate on making new and innovative things rather than trying to copy everyone else."

They do, its called Research and Development, and that takes time to get polished.

And besides, everything new that they have been trying has gotten a rather bad answer from the video game community...

Negativecool @ Jul 2nd 2008 9:46PM

Jesus dude, whatever improvements any company makes to increase functionality and user options is GOOD FOR THE GAMER.

STFU idiot.

Matt Ferens @ Jul 2nd 2008 10:10PM

Matt Ferens @ Jul 2nd 2008 10:18PM

"They can't force developers (3rd party) to make them available, and as for their 1st party developers, have you realized that they are all under preasure already? they are all working on games right now with really tight schedules..."

Yes, they can. Xbox forces all games to have achievements with certain requirements. Why can't Sony? I will concede that to put them on past games would be difficult, but wouldn't it be better if they had informed developers about this system a while back to allow for a larger spectrum of games to have the ability now? There are like only 4 or 5 that currently use it, that is unacceptable.

As far as console crashing goes, you are correct, it is an isolated issue that was blown out of proportion. However, it must have been significant in light of Sony yanking the update. Just like the Xbox update a while back that bricked consoles, I think theses updates should be tested further before they are hyped and released.

Research and Development implies that they are creating something completely new and innovative. All I have seen so far is blatant copies of competitors. I don't see Apple or Nintendo copying a ton of stuff. Maybe thats why they are so successful?

And as far as Negative Cool's comments. It takes a decent person to critique another one with facts and a genuine argument. It takes a pitiful person to insult.

Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Jul 2nd 2008 10:41PM

Noshino @ Jul 3rd 2008 2:26AM

"Yes, they can. Xbox forces all games to have achievements with certain requirements. Why can't Sony? I will concede that to put them on past games would be difficult, but wouldn't it be better if they had informed developers about this system a while back to allow for a larger spectrum of games to have the ability now? There are like only 4 or 5 that currently use it, that is unacceptable."

No, they can't force them, at least not for games that have already been released or for those that are far in development. Sony, or any company for that matter, won't release any information til they have it working , they could have informed their 1st party studios, but 3rd parties? not really, they could ignore such request if they desire to do so...

"However, it must have been significant in light of Sony yanking the update. Just like the Xbox update a while back that bricked consoles, I think theses updates should be tested further before they are hyped and released."

Wrong, on Microsoft's case, it was the update itself that was causing the problems, in this case, it isn't the update, its something else, because many of the ones that did get to install it haven't had their PS3 crash...hell, even Sony confirmed that

"Research and Development implies that they are creating something completely new and innovative. All I have seen so far is blatant copies of competitors. I don't see Apple or Nintendo copying a ton of stuff. Maybe thats why they are so successful?"

Seriously, you want to bring that bs up? Apple and Nintendo have also copied from their competitors...and their products aren't as revolutionary as people claim....

I swear, when the DS came out, I heard some fans claim that this was the first ever touchable screen...same with the iphone, and do you really want me to point out the fact that many out there claim that the Wii is the first gaming device to use motion sensing?....

"It takes a decent person to critique another one with facts and a genuine argument. "

Well Sire, you have yet to do that...

trotskylite @ Jul 4th 2008 5:07PM

i think the worst part of the ps3's trophy system is that we're likely to hear about which games get trophies and which don't for the foreseeable future.

ugh.

SoCoolCurt (PSN: KillaKornbread) @ Jul 2nd 2008 11:41PM

dammit. i wish they would stick an intern on it or something cause i need something to do while im waiting on Resistance 2. oh well, maybe eventually.

KobeBryunt @ Jul 3rd 2008 4:51AM

Don't hold your breath

Burnt Meatloaf @ Jul 3rd 2008 6:13AM

I'd rather they patched the bugs, first. I'm really sick of the audio in the cut-scenes not synching with the video, and all of the collision detection issues.

Not like there's a lot of bugs, mind you, but it's definitely not as playable as the previous games for the PS2.