Flagship taking time on Mythos, admits Hellgate mistakes

Well.Bad Stuff aside, Hellgate was pretty original.A little bit of Guild Wars,bit of Diablo 2 and loads of Rouge. I'm hoping they will do better this time.

How they think this is a good idea i will never know, but they obviously have been eating something that gave them mad cow disease! This is the most rediculous idea probably ever....

Lets see do I want to play a game where the best gear is bought with real money?

Absolutely not!

Would I play a game where gear degrades and you need to spend real money to fix it.

Hell no!


This reminds me of old internet services that would charge you by the hour. Time based subscriptions didnt work back then, people would rather pay a flat fee, what makes them think a thinly disguised "hourly rate" is going to work now?

Oh well, chalk this up as the second failure for this dev and you can file their chapter 11 right now.

I really like Mythos. Easy to get in on the beta, too.

Also, I saw Hellgate for $19.95 at Target this weekend. Your mileage may vary. Is it worth $20? Definitely not $60, right?

They completely lost me at "free to play". I've been screwed over by one too many Korean MMO's that were "Free to play". For instance, the game mabinogi that recently got released in the US. It's free to play, sure, but if you want to do any sort of combat (past the noob dungeons) or if you want to participate in the main story, you've got to pay. Unless the model is literally EVERYTHING is free BUT shiny accessories, then fine. If it's everything is free but decent combat (needed to level your character) or the story, then meh.

We'll see. They burned me with the garbage that was Hellgate, so they aren't really on my good side. I hope this next game is good though.

I lost alot of faith in Flagshipped when I initially heard about their bogus payment scheme for Hellgate, but all that aside I give them tremendous credit for trying something new with Mythos. It's quite risky to release an MMO for no initial entry or ongoing fees. Sadly, after Hellgate their reputation is quite tarnished so they have a challenge ahead of them in rebuilding their integrity.

But honestly an even bigger challenge for them will be competing directly with not only WoW but now Diablo 3.

According to the Mythos forums, the pay stuff is a form of currency that can be traded with people, so you can still get the pay stuff without paying, just gotta mooch off people. And it'll be things like special but not required items, or prestige items, or things like guild halls and what not.

Atleast thats what they say.

Looking at the screenshots all I see is a game that looks like it's from some hobbyist team trying to emulate WoW's style and failing gloriously.

With respect to the developers, Hellgate was a legitimately bad game. The best things to have come from it were lessons learned; maybe they could avoid the same mistakes with Mythos.

Then again... I have played Mythos and, again, with respect to the developers, it, too, is a legitimately bad game. It's not officially out yet; there's time for improvement, but even the basic structure is badly designed. I know making games is tough; I don't want to harp on those good, hard-working folks, I just don't know if the game'll be able to turn itself around.

What the sh*t is wrong with Schaefer these days? Ever since he quit blizzard it's as if he forgot everything about what made that company successful in the first place with regards to online play; IT WAS FREE!

In all the warcrafts, both diablos AND starcraft there wasn't any bollocks fees inserted sideways to try and scam extra cash out of their customers. Diablo 2 sold like eleventeen million boxes because the box was ALL you paid for. And here flagship comes with hellgate - a game which actually interested me until I read about the bollocks MMO-size fee they stuck to a hack and slash adventure.

Hey if I want hack and slash, I'll play guild wars thankyouverymuch - a game that's ALSO FREE to play online.

Is money all this guy cares about now? Why's he so obsessed with attaching fees to everything he makes now? Hell, you can still to this day play all those old blizzard hits for FREE on b.net.

Not paying extra for any flagship scams, thankyouverymuch.

You know, playing Warhammer 40k must have devalued the 50$ mark to me, since my Bloodthirster cost 50$ for the parts. Anyways, isn't the game about 20$ on Amazon now?

I still rather enjoy Hellgate, and don't see it in the 'bad game' category. The storyline was decent, but it's telling was uninspiring. The combat mechanic, however, was enjoyable for me. Obviously, many of you don't like it, but there are quite a few people that do and are playing the game.

As for the 'Bollocks subscription model' opposed to Guild Wars Free 2 Play, I'd like to ask how many expansions you have on Guildwars at 50$ each? So, to play Guildwars in it's entirety, you need to shell out about ... 150$. And to play Hellgate, you pay 20$, then you could subscribe to get their expansion packs at 10$ a month. Since they seem to be putting out smaller expansions constantly, it seems worthwhile to me to subscribe for a month here or there when I'm in the mood to play.

Just saying, let's try to keep the 'Absolute Failure' catagory for games like Daikatana or other games which simply aren't fun for anyone.

I have to admit, I loved Hellgate, hated it for all the bugs after launch, came back to it, and am now taking a break for a while until a ton more content is pushed. It's a love hate relationship to the tee. The game is absolutely original, but it lacked polish on release, and there still isn't enough tilesets for the environment to keep it fresh. They need to add a ton more content, which they've been really slow in doing. They should have had acution house and a ton of other community features from the get go, and it's a shame they had to release the game when they did, I still think it has lots of potential, but there's a lot of work to be done.

They also should have never never released a single player portion of the game, they wasted the little resources they had working on both and now aren't keeping up on it like they are with the multiplayer. Lastly, they should have either had a pay only mmo type of game or no fee at all. Pick one or the other or monetize the game through buying items, which this game has a ton of cool looking gear that people would absolutely buy. Asking 10 bucks a month I think is far too much for what you are getting. If they released big content patches on an actual quarterly basis, I would have no problem, but it's proving to be much more difficult as we see now.

Mythos is outstanding, and it's almost as much fun as Diablo was, sometimes more fun. I would recommend this to everything, screw buying games this summer, Mythos is where it's at, although I do like the world of Hellgate a bit more.

if its mostly cosmetic items then it'll work pretty well. There are lots of Free To Play online games that make a fair bit of money from people buying cool gear.
(anything on ijii.com for example.)

But if it ends up like some of those Chinese MMOs where players end up having to sink thouands of dollars into it every month to maintain their position..er.. no thanks.
(this article about ZT online is a bit long, but interesting and scary: http://www.danwei.org/electronic_games/gambling_your_life_away_in_zt.php )