Midway at E3: Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe

Scorpion vs. Batman. Catwoman vs. Subzero. These aren't exactly matchups players have always dreamed of, but Midway is going to do their best to cram two disparate universes into one with Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe, the very first Mortal Kombat game on the next-gen systems. Here at E3, Joystiq got to sit down with Brian Lebaron, senior designer for the game, and we talked about why it's OK to set the Flash on fire, why Bizarro probably won't be in the game, and what Midway is doing to Toasty uppercut the fighting genre.
After the break, find our hands on with the game, as well as details from our chat with Lebaron. When MK vs. DC comes out, you'll finally be able to find out whether Liu Kang's kicks can catch the Flash in the jaw.
After the break, find our hands on with the game, as well as details from our chat with Lebaron. When MK vs. DC comes out, you'll finally be able to find out whether Liu Kang's kicks can catch the Flash in the jaw.
The game looks really nice so far, but "so far" is the operative phrase there -- the game is far from done. There are only six fighters in the game we played: Flash, Superman and Batman represent the comic book side, while Scorpion, Sub-zero, and Sonya are in from the MK series. Catwoman, Sheng Tsung, Captain Marvel, and Liu Kang have been announced as well, but Lebaron told us that Midway probably won't have your favorite character Zatanna in the game -- he says they're sticking pretty mainstream with their character choices for now. And unfortunately, they don't have full access to the DC Universe. "We can't do Bizarro as an alternate costume to Superman," he said as an example, "there are licensing things to deal with." But the benefit there is that by sticking to the mainstream DC superheroes, they can make sure to get all the standard moves in there, and a few more.

Case in point: Batman has a few different batarang actions -- he can either just wing one at his opponent, or actually toss it upwards off the screen, at which point it hits Subzero in the back, and pulls him in closer to Bats to start up a combo. And Mortal Kombat veterans will even find some familiar moves mixed in with the superheroes' new arsenal -- Batman has a smoke pellet teleport that's old school for MK (fall off the bottom of the screen, fall back from the top on the opponent's other side), while Flash can do the Scorpion teleport -- jump off the back of the screen, and dash around to the other side. The move sets we saw weren't anywhere near finished, but we did see an interesting mix of MK with DC.

And Midway has really innovated in a few places, most notably during throws and stage transitions (where you knock someone off one part of the stage and into another). In the past, these two experiences have been pretty passive for whoever's getting thrown or knocked away, but Midway has put in a fun counter system to break things up. Whenever you throw someone, the screen zooms in a bit and slows down, and down in the corners, you can actually see what your opponent is pressing to attack. This makes it much easier for the opposing player to counter in the middle of the action, if they know what each button counters and how to time it exactly right.

Stage transitions have the same element, with an added bonus: there's a "super meter" that builds up while fighting, and when a counter is done, your opponent can actually steal your super meter power. So there's a balance between fighting to build the super meter, and using that power before your opponent is able to counter the attack and steal the momentum. Both of those innovations definitely make what was previously a cutscene into something much more interesting.
They're also squeezing combos into the regular gameplay, as another fighting game has done -- the game will feature moves that can be "upgraded" with really tough timed button presses, i.e. hitting X in the middle of a combo at exactly the right time. Lebaron says that "even perfect players won't be able to hit it all the time."

And the other challenge Midway is facing is walking the line between treating DC superheroes like superheroes, and being as brutal as Mortal Kombat is known to be. The most well-known collision so far is the Fatalities -- as most Batman fans know, he's not much for the killing, so while seeing him stripping the spine out of someone might be cool, it's not exactly in character for the guy. Lebaron confirmed what we've heard before: that certain superheroes will perform "Brutalities" ("They might not end up being called that," says Lebaron), and severely maim opponents instead of outright killing them.

For their part, Lebaron did say that Midway is trying to push the line as much as possible, both with DC and with the ESRB (the game is set to be rated T): he showed us a Scorpion fatality against the Flash where Bart Allen (at least we saw him as Bart Allen -- when we asked Lebaron which Flash he was, Midway said they weren't choosing a certain one) fell to the ground, his costume and skin charred and burned. Lebaron said that death animation was already approved by DC, and that in the future, if DC or the ESRB has a problem with something they come up with, they'll take it back out and try it again, rather than just removing animations from the game. Villians will have fatalities for sure -- Lebaron confirmed that Catwoman, among other villains, will be killing their opponents.
The version we played was very early, but Lebaron told us that right before E3, the game went into quality assurance mode, so progress is being made (he did say that they're still tweaking the moves -- we overheard Lebaron say to someone else that the Xbox 360's D-pad was giving them problems). Online modes are "what you'd expect in a fighting game," so Superman will be able to beat up Johnny Cage from anywhere in the world. We also asked about DLC, and Lebaron said Midway would like to do it -- "add characters into the game that we didn't add for five bucks or something like that," but that they didn't have any plans yet.
All in all, MK vs. DC is shaping up pretty well -- it's headed for a release later this year, and fans of both Mortal Kombat and DC will probably find some good fun in it.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
FSK405K @ Jul 16th 2008 4:43PM
I can't recall a big-hyped game I've been so completely disinterested in before.
Mr.ESC @ Jul 16th 2008 4:52PM
Then GTFO.
(Hyped,this? When that happened?)
FSK405K @ Jul 16th 2008 5:10PM
all the noob.com shenanigans, for one
Jerk Face @ Jul 16th 2008 5:27PM
Mr. ESC I'm on the 'stiq much less these days, and every time I'm on you're being a dick to someone. Is there something going on at home?
Hashbrown Hunter @ Jul 16th 2008 4:45PM
Looking WAY better than I thought it would. The stage transition idea is brilliant.
Mr.ESC @ Jul 16th 2008 4:50PM
Bart Allen NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
"Add characters into the game that we didn't add for five bucks or something like that"
What? 5$ Phff,I don't expect them to be free but you'll have to include Impulse,Superboy,Starfire (Yes I'm a fan of Young Justice and Teen titans) and Darkseid If you want my 5 bucks.
Thinking baout it DLC FTW but I hope those aren't the prices.
Mr.ESC @ Jul 16th 2008 4:51PM
*about.
Kizzle @ Jul 16th 2008 5:00PM
Not bad, they may pull a passable game out of this. Problem is...I'm just not interested in this as a game, and despite all these supposed changes it looks too similar to MK Deadly Alliance / Deception / Armageddon. It's just hard to get excited about.
And this is coming from a comics reader and a person who is a much bigger MK fan than most.
Nirotu @ Jul 16th 2008 5:09PM
I hope they do a good job with this. The MK fighting engine has gotten better over the years (the classic stuff is still great) so i don't really have any doubts for this one.
jax sedrin @ Jul 16th 2008 5:20PM
The problem with putting DC characters into a game (as opposed to Marvel characters) is that not every character is based on a super power and/or a power level. A lot of them are what they are because of skills (often not related to fighting) or their personalities.
Case in point, from a pure fighting standpoint, there's no way in hell Batman could ever beat Superman (obviously). But fans of Batman in the comic books would be quick to point out that Batman might (should?) be capable of outsmarting Superman... somehow.
The problem is you can't really build in an "outsmarting" mechanic into a fighting game (at least not a traditional fighting game).
So, while the gameplay might end up being really fun, and it could even turn out to be one of the best MKs in recent memory... I can't say I'm all that thrilled as a DC fan.
In fact, as a DC fan, it bothers me quite a bit.
Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ Jul 16th 2008 5:38PM
Stop it, stop it, stop it. I really hate this reasoning. It's a fucking video game, what do you expect? If it really bothers you that much that Super-man is depowered then seriously stay way from any and all comic book related video games. I mean you might as well say that MvC sucked because it's unrealistic that Ryu can go toe to toe with Cable or the Hulk.
If you have any common sense, and you're not a sterotypical comic book fanboy, then you should have no problem getting over the fact that it isn't anything like the comics. It's easy, I was able to do it 5 minutes after the first trailer came out. You should be able to do it too.
Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ Jul 16th 2008 5:39PM
The more I see of this game, the better it looks. While it may not be the same quality of MvC, I still think this will be an enjoyable game.
Travis @ Jul 16th 2008 5:50PM
nice thong tan line
blah @ Jul 16th 2008 5:52PM
I take it im the only one confused at the sheer massivness of Sorpio? perhaps thats just my lack of visiting the MK series since the N64...was good back then anyway hehe.
Oh also, sonya's lightbulb breasts are beggining to scare me...
The Dude @ Jul 16th 2008 7:43PM
"Oh also, sonya's lightbulb breasts are beggining to scare me..."
DON'T YA WANNA KNOW HOW SHE KEEPS STARTING FIRES?!
TrojanGuy @ Jul 16th 2008 8:37PM
Personally, I'm really looking forward to seeing how this one ends up. It's a neat concept and MK: Deception was actually lots of fun. I think that this game could end up being ace.
Poddie @ Jul 17th 2008 3:58AM
I would have traded any of the announcements MS made for a first party, wireless, six buttons on face fighting pad with a kick-ass dpad.
I still have no idea if I will even buy any of the fighting games coming out because nobody has announced one, and I think the standard controller will be useless.
thesimplicity @ Jul 18th 2008 3:30PM
NO RED TORNADO = NO BUY
:(