Miyamoto says Nintendo not targeting core with E3

Well face it every one Nintendo just stopped caring about the smaller of two audiences and personally I don't blame them. The only reason we still see Pikmin, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and every other Hardcore title is because they also sell like crack to the casual audience also. The casual gamer is now the majority in people who own Wii's so of course they don't care about the hardcore gamer. I for one don't give a shit who they target because the casual gamer of today may be the hardcore gamer of tomorrow and thats a good thing for all of us. When those casual gamers become "Hardcore" gamers as they probably will because who here can't say they played at least one "Casual" game when they first got into gaming. Nintendo isn't dead and they don't need anyone to defend them because what they are doing makes sense and as the saying goes "Money Talks, Bullshit Walks". When the new found casual audience starts to move to becoming more hardcore things will get better because Nintendo will have two choices Ignore the now legions of Hardcore gamers who demand higher quality and become what Sega has, or we can give into their demands and make both higher quality consoles and games. So lets face it the casual market is bigger but it will start to shrink back down again as more casual gamers become hardcore gamers. So don't write the obituaries just yet but don't try and say they still care either if the first party games we love so much don't sell well with the new audience they will get canned so realize they don't care about us but only for the moment.

Something quite a few of you "read the whole quote" people are missing is E3 is supposed to target the hardcore gamers. Casual gamers do not pay any attention to E3, most do not even know what it is. New coverage of E3 is abysmal at best and usually buried in a 2 minute report that "casual" people are not paying attention to.

Nintendo saying that they are not targeting hardcore gamers "just at E3" translates to not targeting them at all. If you can't target hardcore gamers where they traditionaly get their gaming holiday then you can't target them at all.

Which is bad news for anyone who still gives a shit about Nintendo.

As for whether wooing casual gamers over will matter or not, it won't. It is a horrible strategy. Most casual gamers do not spend lots of money on games as a rule. You people arguing that it is a good strategy do not realise that there are not THAT many casual gamers. There are even less that spend money AT ALL on games.

Nintendo is making its money(and not very much of it really) through investing little money and selling lots of cheap crap. It will most likely cause a collapse they will not recover from by the next gen.

Hardcore and casual are just terms that were coined to describe how much of the time a person wanted to spend avoiding actual contact with anyone. The video games don't create this, we do. Any game can be hardcore or casual depending on how you play it. Example: Making Mario Party or Guitar Hero a drinking game. Another example: If I play Cooking Mama everyday for the rest of my life, that makes me hardcore, but the game was never any different. Point: There is no such thing as a hardcore game. Stop asking for it.

Companies don't make hardcore games, nor do they cater to hardcore players. You play the game as much as you want. If nintendo is no longer making games that you consider 'hardcore' then it is because you abandoned them, not they abandoned you.

The only thing that matters now is who wants to play the games.
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If Nintendo was always planning on not showing anything to the core this year at E3, they should have SAID SOMETHING FIRST. Case closed. They should have made a press conference or something before the event and said that this event would be focusing on the mainstream crowd and that more games would be revealed at a later date. Simple. Then, no one would have cared what they did at E3 because they would have been assured that there was other stuff, and the newspapers and magazines could snap their pictures and pretend they were all hip and knowledgable about the latest games while Nintendo drew in more fans. But no, Nintendo just waltzed out there, announced 4 games and left. Everyone was shocked. EVERYONE, including game journalists. Apparently, no one is actually a mind reader and could tell that Nintendo was going to ignore us this E3. Whodathunk?
And for those of you defending them by saying the Zelda/Mario/Pikmin titles are coming, that wasn't even going to be announced at all! Miyamoto told us about those games out of pity for us and to help defend the company, but the reality is that Nintendo wasnt planning on saying crap about that. Miyamoto threw us a bone. Clearly we were supposed to see this coming and just wait patiently like the gullible lapdogs we are, when we are used to hearing about what Nintendo has in store at E3, as it has been for a decade.

I think this will have two effects. Since Nintendo now looks like a pack of wii-holes, they'll watch their marketshare drop. Also, since E3 has sunk to a new, horrifying low, anyone looking to be influential with the heart of gaming and not just sell out to the idiotic masses with another sports game will head for PAX, making it even bigger and better. Time to face it folks, PAX is the new E3.

"If wii2 comes out and they ditch motion controls, throw me a controler (not remote), give me high resolution (I own a hdtv now), put in some proper online and start pumping out the old school mario titles, im in.

But if I get some sort of touchscreen motion sensitve glove with detachment goggles that I need to blow into while jumping in my Nintenshoes, count me out."

ROFL, 007craft, you speak genius XD

The last half decent Nintendo game I ever played was Mario 3, and they just HAD to have a damn teddy bear costume.

I'm just embarrased and literally sick that they took down Sonic with them.

"Mario and Sonic at the Olympics"... /vomit. Screw Nintendo.

I really don't think we should be getting mad at Nintendo for realizing that they can make money buy applying themselves to a broader market.

They've hardly abandoned the hardcore gamer. Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Super Smash Brothers Brawl... They're doing pretty well just as much to satisfy the hardcore gamer as any other system.

No, they don't have HD... But really who gives a crap? I can play really beautiful looking games on the PS3, but they suck ass. On the other hand I can play some pretty fun games on the Wii, but they don't look as good.

No, it is not traditional gaming, but is that really so bad? How many games have we all played recently that seem EXACTLY like a game we played a month ago? Can you really say that about the Wii? I don't think so. Every game I've played on the Wii is a unique experience and hot damn is it fun to sword fight with a giant walking skelleton

I think they've annalyzed what E3 is really about now (the mass market, not the hardcore gamers) and are following suit with that.

Nintendo is not abandoning us, they're merely welcoming other people into the club.

Well I hate to say this but Nintendo is starting to act like EA, ignoring the cusotmers and thiking only about the money.

"the loyal fans buy mario, zelda and metroid (good games). The casual everyday gamer buys wii music, wii fit, every add on device, and crappy shovelware"

And some of us buy all of them. *shrugs* You can't divide us all into two simple categories like that. I have every system and play the crap out of a number of so-called hardcore games while still enjoying a number of casual games. I think elitist gamers are trying too hard to fit a certain image which reduces their authenticity. Just have fun. That's the point, right?

But seriously...the loyal gamers buy one kind of game and the casual gamers buy another? You seriously can't imagine a loyal gamer *gasp* buying a Wii Fit? Come on. This is like listening to my PC gamer friends saying that's the only platform "real gamers" will use, when the only game they played for two years was World of War Craft. Expand your horizons.

What makes me laugh about this entire flame war thing is that Nintendo is doing so well despite the shoveling.

I am proudly white enough to own all three systems due to my own summer job merit (damn college), and am a pretty hardcore gamer. I own three games for the Wii with 5 ps3 games, and 7 360 games, I only buy games that have replay value and rent others.

I actually see this as a rehash of the super nintendo, while on a high horse nintendo has the habit of burning a lot of bridges with people that should be loving them to death. Instead they blaime third parties and don't know why they start loosing support.

Take the N64 for instance, after two consoles worth of alienating any compatition with threats of banning third party developers Sony came along and offered a safe haven from mean old nintendo.

Then after Sony became the big badass of the block nintendo suddenly became this helpless princess in need of rescuing.

Fanboys remeber what happened last time nintendo was king, it was a dick who bullied companies, sat on their consoles long after retirement should have happened,and stifled innovation. Yet when their the underdog people assume its because the other companies are cruel or third parties don't care. If I where square, activision, or any gaming company thats been around long enough to remeber the cruelty of the Nes/Snes days I wouldn't go near nintendo with a very long poking device.

So my advice is to stop being a fanboy and actually care about the quality of the games you get. If you love the mini puzzle gaming that a Wii offers, or like buying games that you already own get a Wii. I bought mine and am satisfied with the gaming experence I've had so far. Their first party titles are solid enough for me to still own the system despite how dickish the company is.

Why is this such a shock to everyone? Nintendo hasn't been focused on the "core gamer" in years.

Ever since the double threat of low-cost, non-loss-leader Game Boys and the "casual" and mindblowingly lucrative Pokemon franchise started rescuing Nintendo from its Playstation crisis in the mid-90s, they've been moving in this direction. And by now, all the hardcore gamers have been moving to the 360 or the PS3 over the last two years (mostly the 360 in the U.S. and the PS3 in Japan). Nintendo's just going to keep moving toward things like Wii Fit, Wii Sports, etc., that people can pick up and play in five minutes.

I have a Wii and I've been reasonably satisfied with it, but at this point, as a "core gamer", my money's going towards the 360 where I can buy titles like Mirror's Edge in the future.

Personally, I just blame the whole thing on Bowser Jr., myself.

you know i am pissed off about the lack of good games for the wii coming out or that are even out there but crying bull on this site is not going to do anything about it make a petition or somthing try to change there mind

Well, this really comes as no surprise to me. Being someone who's in the business, (I do digital imaging and mocap for all the big guys) all I can say is "it was a matter of time." When E3 started it was intended to be producers/developers (Nintendo, divisions of SCE, Activision, what have you) speaking and selling to vendors (best buy, game stop, eb games, and the like.) It was originally designed to be a show for the gaming industry, not a show for the gaming fans. But in the past few years, it became much more than that. Due to the fact that E3 turned into a convention for gamers, it was nigh impossible for producers to actually market to the vendors. Vendors didn't want to deal with the unprofessional atmosphere of "let's let all the fans in" even is the tickets came at a steep price. That's a huge part of why they were going to quit having the E3 convention at all. So you have to understand that what Shigeru is really doing is getting his games in the hands of more vendors at a faster rate, which in turn is a service to all of the "core gamers."

So no complaining. Just let nintendo do it's thing so you can the best product possible.

I thinks it's funny that people are bad mouthing nintendo because of their E3 show. I'm not saying that Nintendo is the greatest gaming company or anything, but they're still a great company. I can't see how them not showing any "hardcore" games at E3 means that they abandoned anybody. Personally I like Nintendo better because I've never had a Nintendo console crap out on me while two Sony, who I hate, consoles died on me. I haven't had any MS problems but I also hardly used them. Also, a console doesn't have to have HD support and a normal controller to appeal to a hardcore gamer. There are plenty of games on the Wii that give you a good challenge and aren't made for the casual gamer. Also, motion controls doesn't make it suck. It's true that when a gimmick like the touch screen and motion controls first show up people start using them just for the sake of doing so. But over time companies start using that stuff properly. Also, game don't have to use the motion controls, it's not like that's a prerequisite or somthing.

I can't comment on online play however since I can't get hi speed out here. But I never really cared to play with random people anyway so I'd probably just play with my friends.

sorry for posting again but I can't edit my post.

Something else I wanted to say, which I've seen a few people here say, was that I thought it was funny that people acted as though games were for only hardcore or casual gamers. I spend a considerable amount of my time playing games and have done so for many year. The first console I had was an Atari. But from time to time I still feel like firing up the Wii and playing Wii Sports. I still enjoy games like Crysis, Gears of War, and Bioshock, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy a simpler game from time to time. different appeal to different people regardless of how zealous of gamers they are.

Nintedo hasn't made overly difficult games since the Nes. I'm not sure why people are now saying that they're only making casual gamer games. Perhaps a larger percentage of them are mini games and what not but releasing a few mini game compilations doesn't mean that they're only aiming for casual gamers.

Also, about the online thing, I've played games at my friends house since he has hi speed and I generally enjoy playing with people I know more. Some people don't I know, I'm just saying.

I still don't understand the idea that Nintendo abandoned people. I just don't.

I don't know. I'm not looking to make anybody mad or insult anybody. Just giving my 2 cents.