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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:03PM Sora said

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Great article, I agree completely.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:24PM (Unverified) said

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All I read from journalists is how bad E3 is now. Well you know what? As a reader, and someone who was not at E3, it doesn't seem any different from a few years ago. I'm sorry if all these "journalists" can't stare at booth babes all day anymore, but I feel as though just as much came out of this E3 as did any other E3 that didn't have a new console launch.

Of course there isn't going to be as many game announcements coming out as there was 2 years ago, when the PS3 and Wii was about to launch, and 360 was just beginning to show what it was capable of. If you ask me, these writers should suck it up and quit complaining.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:12AM GRT said

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I have to agree with Jimbo. It seems like the journalists are all missing the 'party atmosphere' but from the outside looking in there was tons of information coming out of the convention and the 'pseudo-convention' happening nearby.

The people who go to E3 bitched when it was huge so the ESA made it a small, all-business kind of event, now the same people are bitching that its small.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:28AM Rabidkeebler said

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Sorry guys, but I have to disagree. When examining the amount of information, you have to consider several things. First is the lack of "new" information. Any information that was really new is for stuff next year. While that is nice, it doesn't help to raise the hype for new things this Christmas. Part of the excitement that was E3 two years ago was the deluge of information for games coming out that year. We really didn't see much of that beyond Mirror's Edge.

On top of this is the continued drain of attention. As much of E3 for the big guys was the attention for the little guys. Small but interesting games could garner a great deal of attention at the large shows. Instead they are opting out of E3, feeling that their chances are better with other shows (whether Penny Arcade or Gamecock shows).

Besides, lets face it. You attract more attention with a big block party than a cocktail party.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:22AM erh said

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In previous years, the people who spent hours in a line to play a game, or went around getting photos of themselves with booth babes, were not mainstream journalists. The game publishers were spending, in some cases, a million dollars just to entertain unimportant fanboys.

In previous years, there used to be many articles about the convention itself that barely touched on the games. How did those articles help publishers? But now, without the spectacle of the convention, the news is reporting on the actual content of the presentations. For example, Google news lists over 400 articles about Nintendo's controller add-on, including mainstream press like The New York Times.

If fanboys want a convention, they can go to PAX. Leave E3 for the real journalists.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:48AM anoffday said

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I agree with the article. It doesn't help that everyone seems to think we need to get the whole world playing video games. Not everyone enjoys video games, yes, not even casual games. Stop hurting the people who have played games from the beginning, and spitting in the faces of gaming pioneers. Causal gaming pisses me off.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 10:39AM LordCookies said

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Hey, on the plus side, it gives a huge opportunity for the blossoming E4 Convention! =D

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/13/japanese-hardware-sales-june-30-july-6-e4-edition/
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 2:47PM (Unverified) said

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I'm with Jimbo on this one.

Sora, you 'agree completely'? Ten bucks says you weren't even there.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 3:37PM Sora said

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So what if I wasn't there? You can tell that E3's dying if you've paid attention to the coverage over the past years, and even if you read archives of coverage of the earliest E3s. There's simply been no interesting information coming out of E3 post-2006.
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Posted: Jul 23rd 2008 11:25PM (Unverified) said

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everyone is over analyzing this piece and not taking into account what is happening

gaming in a way is dieing

its becoming more cut and dried more of a set science as it gets more and more mainstream games sell easier slap a well known name and then bump it up another number and the game will sell

through this the innovations of the old time in gaming are dissappearing the wonderment and feeling of excitment to make new things is quite gone because like all things gaming is a buisness and when a buisness learns exactly how hard they need to push to sell they push exactly that hard

and through this gaming is dieing
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:05PM (Unverified) said

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lies
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:12PM mrmobius said

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That was thoroughly depressing reading.

I'll agree though that this week went past with barely a whisper. The only things to catch my attention were the keynotes of the big three and lets face it they all sucked.

E3 used to be a huge event in May that had people shouting throughout the internet. Still fond memories of the days when the Wii was first announced and demoed at E3.

This E3 disappointed me. I want some middle ground. Don't have as lavish an E3 as before but please do more than people did this year. The GDC is becoming bigger and thats just not right.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:17PM aristokrat said

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I'd be willing to bet that if the ESA kept E3 going, it would regain its lost grandeur. While the game companies might have been complaining about the cost of the show, they all would have kept going in order to not miss out on the publicity (in an industry so built on hype). But when the ESA relieved all players from the competition, it made it easy for everyone to walk away.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:20PM totorototoro said

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Definitely has lost its luster. You guys tried to keep your enthusiasm up (nobly), but it was obvious from the coverage around the web that this year's E3 was pretty disappointing, and not just because of the lack of booth babes :p
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:22PM mrmobius said

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I misread that as saying 'booth babies' so I'm going to hell.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 9:36AM (Unverified) said

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This industry is booming right now and could use all the press of the old E3. I went to just about every one up until 2007 and they were hysterical. Lots of beers and lots of lines for great games. The convention center was electric. If they were smart they would lock out every one but press on the first day for business and then open the rest of the days up for the public at a cost.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:27PM Mr Khan said

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If we wanted to get picky, we could come away with 1, and only 1, event to make this E3 great, and we all know what it is: Shiggy playing sax

kidding, we know what it is, but otherwise it was a recap of stuff that we either A: already knew about or B: don't particularly care about. Shigeru Miyamoto even went so far as to say that Nintendo will no longer use E3 as a venue for their big announcements pertinent to core gamers, and more or less said to expect more of this year in the future, at least from them.

Microsoft blew their collective awesome reveal load back at that press event a while back, and Sony's show was nothing we hadn't seen coming from a mile away

Which isn't to say that the show was utterly dissatisfying. However, it wasn't three days of head-exploding awesomeness that we all remember from even two years ago
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:30PM TendoMan said

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A fantastic article that pretty sums up the general feeling for most (if not all) of us, from gamers to industry drones.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:37PM (Unverified) said

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There will always be next year. Perhaps they will learn from this folly and improve E3 in the future.


Then again, knowing today audience and investor nothing will change. I can only hope that maybe there will be a slight improvement or at least some thing worth wild to see at E3 next year.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 11:39AM mrmobius said

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One change I want: Nintendo get rid of that woman going through a mid life crisis and trying to be cool. Leave the keynote to Reggie and Shigsy.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:36PM kagai said

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I always dreamed of going to the big, bloated E3 and now that dream is dead. (sniff, sniff)
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:36PM Naoki7 said

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E3 is dead, long live E3.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:10AM anantha92 said

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Paradox alert. Should be RIP E3.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:46PM StevenM said

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damn good article i agree 100%
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 10:54PM (Unverified) said

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did you read it while listening to internet radio o psp? (referring to your icon)
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 11:03PM StevenM said

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nope, that icon is the first little crappy image i made with photoshop many many many years ago
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:46PM (Unverified) said

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I didnt read after the break, but I have absolutely no recollection of anything more than a passing mention of E3 by any major network.
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Posted: Jul 18th 2008 11:51PM Dragod said

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Completely agree. Last year was the last good year for me. I was never more excited than last year when suddenly a live band starts to play the Halo theme. The whole Microsoft keynote, I waited for that new information about Halo 3. The other games were just an amazing bonus. Watching Moore play Rock Band was amazing, but when that Halo trailer came on, I couldn't stop staring (I had both the TV and the Internet stream up, so I didn't miss any of it). I was mesmerized.

This year? Nothing but disappointment. I didn't see any games I especially wanted, other than Gears 2, but even that seemed lack-luster. Final Fantasy? Who cares. If I had wanted to play Final Fantasy, I would have bought a PS2 a long time ago. The dashboard redesign was a big disappointment. Avatars? Come on, Microsoft, that doesn't appeal to your core audience.

The only thing I was truly excited about? The counter on Bungie.net. I was waiting, I was going to go to bed early so that I could see the announcement as soon as it popped up at 7:07:07. What happened? Microsoft cancels the announcement.

Possibly the worst E3 I've ever seen. Previous years I tuned in to G4's coverage nonstop. This year? I watch the Microsoft keynote, sped through Nintendo's, and half watched the Sony announcement. The on-the-floor coverage? Yeah right. The games are boring, the interviews are boring, and there were no real "WOW!!" announcements. Final Fantasy is hardly a huge announcement in my book.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:04AM Centaur said

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"It didn't help that there were no major announcements or surprises to speak of at the show."

FFXIII for Xbox360 wasn't worth speaking of? The newly-revealed Xbox360 dashboard wasn't worth speaking of? The new Wii attachment that provides 1:1 movement translation wasn't worth speaking of?

I mean, yeah they didn't announce the Star Wars MMO at the show, but sheesh. There were a couple of major surprises (I thought).
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 5:59AM Haggard said

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Compared to the absolute deluge of information that occurred in previous events, those pieces are fairly trivial.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:27PM Centaur said

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Ah, so this is relatively speaking. I see.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:05AM Drake Lake said

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One of the supposed benefits I remember reading about for a smaller E3 by publishers was that developers wouldn't have to worry about creating playable builds and thereby decrease development time. That reason never made sense to me as they still have to create some sort of demo for journalists to play, even at a small event like this.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:11AM (Unverified) said

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I am thankful I got to go to 9 E3s in my life.

It will always have a special place in my heart.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:52AM anoffday said

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You're lucky. I've never been to one, and after this year, I really don't care to go to any. Video gaming isn't what it use to be. It use to be about fun. Now it's about creating crappy game after crappy game trying to get non-gamers into it.

This crap needs to stop. The real gamers are getting sick of it, and last time I checked all of my friends who aren't into gaming, still aren't into it.
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Posted: Jul 20th 2008 2:34AM Ignatius said

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Perhaps E for All will be better...
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:15AM (Unverified) said

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Sad but true, E3 is only a ghost of it's former shell.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 12:45AM Nightstar said

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Was at the frst two E3. A blast!

But they kept raising the price and took it to Georga??? When it final came back to California it had already started to die. The abandoned the public. Keept chopping off what was good. And finally the game companies them selves. Its a marking geek show and that not good.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 9:35AM (Unverified) said

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I totally agree. The current structure of E3 is pretty awful. The ESA knows that something needs to be done, and I'm baffled as to why they've instead chosen to do nothing. Here's what they need to do:

Combine E3 and E For All into one show, still carrying the E3 brand. Put it in the LACC and make access to the floor available to the public (treat it perhaps like a convention, with the money paid from entries going to the ESA's coffers). Business/press passes get into the more business oriented shows much like the current E3, but in the larger space you have game companies from all over the world engaging, on the floor, in a pitched battle of ideas. Want to get an impression of how your game will do against the competition? Come to E3 and prove it.

If the ESA doesn't do something radical along these lines, they're going to continue to lose relevance. E3 should be more than just a trade show, it should be a celebration of the game industry, of the future to come. It should be the industry standard to the world, a big neon sign that says "here we are and we're awesome". That's what E3 was, and that's what it needs to be again.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:37AM erh said

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It doesn't really matter. Even without the glitzy E3 they are still making the same games, and the games are still selling just as well. At the end of the day, that's what really matters.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:46AM MisterSmith said

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Actually, E3 died some time ago. We're just now noticing it.

This event is unsalvageable. Let it die.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 1:49AM Riot9 said

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E3 is dead, long live PAX!

Seriously though, I really hope PAX continues to grow into something that can replace E3. PAX is open to everyone, and it is an absolute blast. Last year was my first, and I plan on it being a tradition now.

All PAX needs is a little more attention from the big 3 in the way of press conferences and I think the deal will pretty much be sealed.
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Posted: Jul 21st 2008 12:13PM (Unverified) said

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Mike and Jerry have explicitly stated (two years ago, when the change to E3 was announced, in fact) that they do NOT intend for PAX to "replace" E3. PAX is an event for GAMERS, not developers, not publishers, and not hardware manufacturers.

I have every confidence that this is the right decision, and that it will be easy for them to continue running the event in accordance with that decision. They pull in a ton of people and run a very successful event.

If I didn't have a wedding that weekend I'd be going this year X.x Next year, though, I already have my rooming arrangements taken care of. I never actually got to attend a "real" E3, but somehow I feel like I'll be able to live with that after hitting up PAX =D
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 2:40AM aughscreennames said

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Where have I heard this before? Last year on all the gaming sites saying E3 is dead, thats where. E3 was not the paradise people remember it as, they didnt just change the rules for no reason, there were major problems and it was quickly spiraling out of control. They might have gone too strict with their new rules, but it had to be done, companies were bending the old rules so much that the e3 fines were just another thing they incorporated into their budget.

E3 isnt dead, it will still be one of the biggest gaming events next year and the year after that. How many times is it going to die anyways?
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 2:57AM aughscreennames said

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Also, Im sick of the complaining about E3. You guys have no idea how privileged you are to get to go to an event like that. How about some appreciation instead of "my golden porsche is hard to clean" pessimism? Even if E3 feels more like work than it used to its still E3, and a lot of people would cherish the opportunity instead of bitching about it.
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Posted: Jul 22nd 2008 1:56AM petepete said

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uhhh, after last year's and this year's event, i deffinitely am not interested in attending an event with little to no announcements and an industrywide decision to try to appeal to the casual gamers. honestly, who would feel privelidged playing a game called flock or creating a stupid avatar that doesnt DO ANYTHING. e3 isnt exciting, therefor i dont want to go anymore.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 2:41AM (Unverified) said

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Oh the hypocrisy...

E3 will never be as big as it used to be and that's quite a shame but the industry as a whole has NO ONE to blame but THEMSELVES.

They bitched and bitched and now they have what they deserve.

If these "hardcore" gamers are serious about getting the real E3 back then they need to band together and create something like it, attract sponsors, and invite lots of gamers there. However there needs to be rules and stuff. None of this chaotic sh*t.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 2:45AM (Unverified) said

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Ahhh 2 years ago. Seems so long now. I remember the huge blowout and extravaganza that was E3 2006. And 2005. And 2004. Was always a dream of mine to go to one but at least now we have PAX. Sad to see it go though.
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 2:56AM SilentBob251 said

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Seems like in a lot of interviews G4 had, the developers said they would be revealing the good stuff at Comic-Con. E3 is dead. I look forward to Comic-Con, TGS, and Leipzig. That's where it seems the real announcements will be made. I grew up anticipating E3 every year. Those days are gone. *Tear*
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Posted: Jul 19th 2008 4:32AM (Unverified) said

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This post is an experiment: I've been working in gaming for years, and it's my first on a pub board in a long time. But I'm inspired by this article, so here's what I have to say. I'm curious how it will be taken. Here goes:

The real story here is not that E3 is "dead." The real story is that gaming is growing up.

This "news piece" misses the real story. How? Look to established forms of media like film and television.

To wit: please name for me the single major event in film or music or books or television that the players pour ALL of their money into and base ALL of their release schedules and info around.

Exactly. These other mediums are all grown up, they're no longer novelties. They don't need to release all of their "hit" product at "holiday" ... they have a mature pipeline that's not dependent on a big stunt. Yes, they have events like Cannes and the Oscars and the Grammy and Emmy Awards, but these events are actually taken seriously. Because they are serious about them. They aren't circuses. They're events based around craft and art, and the *people* doing the work.

Does anyone think that mainstream media - as this opinion piece claims - ever really took gaming seriously because of E3? Certainly, it got *noticed*, but is that the same thing? It became an obligatory news item in major media markets for a day or two in May (now July), and just a mention at that. Some stately blond woman saying that "Gaming has descended on Los Angeles!" and showing a clip of the Army guys rappelling down from the chopper across the street from the LA convention center. Cut back to the anchors shaking their heads and smiling ... those crazy gamers! ... say something about gaming generating of $20b worldwide last year (golly!) and cut to commercial.

That's what the gaming industry's millions bought them: novelty status. Not a bad thing at all! But they're done with that now, and so is the culture. Most people - over 65% - play games now. And have for a while. And the spectacle is stopping. It doesn't need need to happen anymore.

The real story is not that E3 is "dead." The real story is that gaming is growing up.

The gaming press - while I personally love and have loved and will continue to love it - is really kind of a joke. A cool, punky, counter-culture joke, but a joke nonetheless. This "press" is having a conversation with itself. It's a bunch of critics talking to a bunch of critics. "Reviews" are extensions of pub/dev marketing arms 4 out of 5 times - they quote the press releases and present it as news and collect their paychecks. When they don't, they often review with no objectivity, just opinion. Here's an example, and a personal one at that: I worked on the "Thrillville" franchise for LucasArts - a kids game series aimed at 8-12 year olds. Review after review that said "I guess if I was 10, this might be cool, but I'm not, so it basically sucks: 6/10."

By the way, think this kind of "reporting" has no impact? Those scores affect the metascore - the average of major gaming sites' scores for a game. Those scores are often used in legal contracts to factor the developer's share of the profits. Thanks for giving the game a 60! Suddenly you start to understand why the "haters" aren't actually cool ... why they actually do suck. It's easy to hate ... it's hard to create. What's the *real* story here about this game? In this case, and in 99% of them, it's never reported.

Supposed journalists write lengthy, dramatic "news items" on the death of E3 ... year after year. Oh, and have you heard for the last few years that PC gaming is dead, and that EA sucks, and Microsoft is evil, and that we all need to get back to point-and-click adventures? Where are the stories about what it takes to assemble a team to make a game like Mirror's Edge? What is the reality of the business side of staggering two full time teams on a franchise like Madden? Where is the reporting that covers the deal that former LucasArts pres Jim Ward brokered between LucasArts, EA, and BioWare? Now that it's all in the open, I can say it: I used to work there ... I know ... that's a REALLY interesting story. Wouldn't a REAL journalist GET that story? If I were a gaming journalist, I would be tracking Jim Ward down right now to get the inside scoop on that deal. I'd be unrolling my North Face bag on his porch. Now THAT'S a story.

The reality is that fewer and fewer of us care about the "gaming press'" mourning the loss of their ritual E3. We've got Penny Arcade for that, and they do it way better. What about the growth of the medium they're supposedly covering as journalists?

No disresect meant, but please go visit http://www.variety.com/ for an example of what real reporting on a medium is all about.

Gaming is growing up. I miss E3 too because as a developer attending since 2000, I miss the parties and connections with friends. I'm sure the folks in the film industry in the 1930's had strong opinions when the studios started to decentralize then as well. But film grew from a novelty under total corporate control to an art form because of that movement.

As gamers, isn't that what we really want from - and for - gaming?

Or do we really just want Tony Hawk on a half pipe in the middle of West Hall and chicks with torches?

Well, okay ... that was kind of fun ...
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