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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:01PM (Unverified) said

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Are you idiots suggesting that Xbox, Nintendo and pretty much every other consumer electronic item does not use tantalum beads?

Patetic, this really does demonstrate how shitty the media circus has become, and highlights what a joke Joystiq is these days.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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But... Joystiq is disagreeing with the assertion that Sony is evil incarnate. Didn't you read the article?
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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Patetic, patetic indeed...


:P
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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jesus christ what is with the "joystiq iz teh bias" idiots lately? Did you read the article asshat? No i don't think you did, because if you did you would have seen Joystiq was defending Sony, and they also DID mention that every other consumer electronic uses tantalum.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:08PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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Lol what? Did you even read the article or did you just read the headline and just nerdrage all over the place.

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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:39PM (Unverified) said

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*Facepalm.

Read motherf*ck*r,READ!
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:40PM (Unverified) said

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Fanboys never cease to amaze me with their stupidity
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:55PM Duke said

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Coluthard, just so you know - we will all be giving you crap for that ignorant post anytime you post in the future.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 4:10PM EJ A said

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Sounds like a Kotaku fanboy.

Now THAT's a crap site.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 4:16PM (Unverified) said

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Let me guess, your a skim reader?
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 5:02PM JoshMilewski said

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It seems like Coluthard has changed his name to Mike.

Either way, his profile can be found at:

http://www.joystiq.com/profile/2044407/

So just keep the number in mind, because he'll probably change his name again.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 5:10PM (Unverified) said

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Article, motherfucker! Can you read it?
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 5:57PM Duke said

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Coluthard, changing your name to Mike won't save you.

You should have manned up and said you screwed up.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 6:33PM (Unverified) said

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Coluthard just make an ass of himself.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 6:58PM Railgun said

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lol wat
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 7:00PM (Unverified) said

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Joystiq,

well done.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 8:32PM (Unverified) said

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Thanks, guys (and gals). Now I can't read what the asshat wrote. ;]
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Posted: Jul 26th 2008 6:39AM (Unverified) said

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Oh my.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:05PM Extinction said

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WTF? A joystiq article DEFENDING Sony? There's something you don't see every year
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 4:41PM Larz said

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LOL, it's funny 'cause it's true.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, Joystiq did a great job proving that this story is a total joke. Great job joystiq on doing more reporting than the reporters are doing.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 4:02PM puerrican85 said

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HERE THEY COME TO SAVE THE DAAAAY!!!


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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:06PM (Unverified) said

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I saw this story last night as well. I don't take issue with their choice of attacking Sony for fueling a conflict in the Congo, I'm far more bothered by their lack of lambasting all the other extremely exploitative runaway globalized capitalist enterprises.

Your use of "scapegoating" was highly appropriate, Mr. Grant.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 8:40PM SheppyReturns said

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I saw this story three weeks ago on GamePolitics. Of course Joystiq didn't add to the fact that, even during the time of the original article, less than 1% of the worlds Coulton comes from the Congo and the leading worldwide provider is still, I believe Australia...

Holy crap... Sony is making money off stuff mined by criminals...

...send all hatemail to your momma.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:13PM rTwelve said

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Stop BAWWWING and realize the much more horrifying fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coltan#References_in_popular_culture

TERMINATORS ARE MADE FROM COLTAN.

Children aren't being sent to mines for video game consoles, they're being used for SkyNet!
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:16PM (Unverified) said

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http://xkcd.com/446/

The internet can be really sad.Who the fuck makes a "In popular culture..." on Coltan?
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:31PM (Unverified) said

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God help us if John Connor has a PS2
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Posted: Jul 26th 2008 4:13PM megapenguinx said

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Good thing I killed my PS2 by playing trying to insert a Superman 64 cartridge into the disc drive
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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It's official: The Gamecube is the winner of last-gen. PS2 was disqualified for slaughtering innocent children.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:36PM (Unverified) said

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Gamecock? Xbox is the true winner!

LET US FLAME!
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 4:46PM Larz said

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Xbox came out almost 2 years after PS2. I don't really consider it in the same gen. More like 6.5 gen. And yes, Xbox won the 6.5 gen console war....
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:14PM ymmv said

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It's funny. Congo supplies only 1% of the world's supply of coltan and the launch of the PS2 didn't make much difference in the tech industry's demand for coltan since just about piece of high tech equipment will use tantalum in some form, yet the games industry is somehow responsible when different Congolese militant factions start fighting each other. If anything those activist groups should lambast warmongering African warlords with a lust for gold and a complete disregard for the welfare of their compatriots.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:14PM (Unverified) said

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Chris's mind was overtaken by Alie...Sone Defence Force!
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:15PM dbvii said

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Joystiq Bitchslap?
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:15PM ProfKOS said

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It's nice to see competent reporting sometimes. Ironic however, the the good reporting comes from a blog (most often cited as cases in the other direction). Not that major news outlets usually report well, but they're supposed to.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:16PM McWeen said

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I like the headline.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:20PM natels said

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At least the children aren't being mauled by the evil Congo gorillas anymore.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:24PM (Unverified) said

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After reading the entire Toward Freedom article, they have proven themselves to be shockingly sloppy and biased. While they briefly glaze over coltan's use by many conglomerates, they routinely name-drop Sony.

At the beginning of the article, I believed the reason they chose to label this conflict the "PlayStation War" was due to the console's saturation in the Western market thus providing a clear example everyone would understand. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case (and even it it were, it's an unfair attachment). Instead, it's obvious they used Sony's name simply for the sake of attention whoring and headline grabbing.

Sony should sue them for libel.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:50PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think SONY wants to sue and here is why...
That means during discovery...the other side would get to dive into how much SONY knew and didn't know and SONY doesn't want that. Trust me ...they don't. It would be a PR nightmare if a higher up knew the ins and outs of where the Coltan was coming from. See NIKE on the PR and child labor issue...I still think they are defending their practices ...perception is everything.
Also I think some of the posters are dead on and some aren't....yes the story is imbalanced and wrong in some respects.....but IF SONY was aware of the situation and continued with the purchase of Coltan...than they are wrong. And it should be a PR blemish. Same thing with the other companies that used Coltan. I think because the story has a slant..doesn't and shouldn't absolve SONY...at all....or any other corporation...
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:57PM (Unverified) said

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Your missing the whole damn point, this stuff was used in every high end electronics. Cell phones, and right around this time was when cell phones became popular. They just used Sony's Playstation 2 as a sensational story piece, that and because Xbox pretty much sucked back then and no one probably even know what it is in the international community.
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Posted: Jul 26th 2008 12:27AM SheppyReturns said

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JP, actually, COULD people know? Is this even possible. Minerals mined through the congo conflicts were often sold in foreign markets through illegitimate means (aka, a black market). So what does this mean? Simple, really and I'll explain using a loaf of bread analogy... because I'm awesome.

I buy the bread from a store, probably Meijers since their bread is better than most name brands. But I digress.
Meijer buys the bread from the manufacturer (in PS2's case, Sony).
The manufacturer buys the components to make the product from distributors. Flour, Wheat, Yeast, Milk, etc.
The Distributor buys the product from the farmers.
The farmers know where the produce came from, but not exactly.

The problem with PROVING the source of Coltan in this hierarchy is in the fact that, who's to say that farmer didn't really produce that product in an entirely different country where labor is cheaper and just transported it to get top dollar? That is, in essence, what the warmongers did. Did you really think they were SELLING this shit from the congo market? Nobody would touch it. But hey, if they could JUST GET IT a few countries north in with the legitimate spoils of a more legitimate mining operations... who would be the wiser?

Besides, as they said... they didn't pay too much attention where it was coming from and after this article came out long ago, Sony commited exclusively to the Australian market for this mineral. And for all you know, the computer you typed your message on could have "blood coltan" in it.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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BEST HEADLINE EVER.

Seriously guys I don't think you'll ever top that one.

(Um I don’t see anywhere how the production of Ethanol is affecting Africa, you know all the food Mayor Nations used to supply Africa is now used for Bio Fuels but nah that’s not important enough for them :/ Yahoo sucks )
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Posted: Jul 26th 2008 1:46PM aristokrat said

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Don't go blaming ethanol for anything. It accounts for what, 5% of total grain yield usage. That numbers pales in comparison to the crops that farmers are paid to destroy through farm subsidies. Or even worse, the fields that farmers are paid to keep fallow for 10 years at a time so that the price of corn doesn't go to low. Ethanol is at least trying to move society forward, while farm subsidies are nothing but a money pit.

There are land deals in Texas where you buy 100 acres of land with nothing on them, with a multi-year fallowness arrangement that means you will continue to receive government subsidies and will recoup your investment just from that. Unfortunately, that's not where it stops though. The land also comes with a lease from a wind turbine company that is paying you to let them use your land. But wait, it doesn't stop there either. The land also comes with renewable energy incentives, from the government again, every year. So you get three revenue streams, 2 of them from the government, for land you are doing almost nothing with. And you want to complain about ethanol?
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Posted: Jul 28th 2008 10:43AM Sarge said

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Ah, but there are ethanol subsidies as well, which reward farmers from growing other necessary crops and instead growing _only_ corn.

And despite popular opinion, ethanol is no better for the environment than gasoline, and it's less efficient to boot.

The government usually makes things worse when it messes with the economy. Get their grubby mitts out of it, and things will improve.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:47PM SugarDaddy said

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That was the most convoluted way to say that yahoo is reporting on an old story.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:50PM hotpuck6 said

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so, your saying children in africa died so i could text message my friends, type this message, and play COD4 later?

Let me be the first to say i think their sacrifice was worth it.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:51PM (Unverified) said

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It warms my heart to see skeptical thinking and fact-based reporting in my favorite media outlets. Great work, Chris. My man-crush grows exponentially.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:53PM Joystick Hero said

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"Playstation 2 travels through time to kill children"

...By any chance are any of the targeted children John Connor?
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:55PM (Unverified) said

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This is weeks old and the only reason its not called Xbox wars or something stupid like that is because no one over there know what an Xbox is.
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Posted: Jul 25th 2008 3:57PM Duke said

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*sigh*
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