I liked it better than X2. But then I hated X2, so whatever...

What? X2 was fucking awesome and is the only bright spot in a mediocre film franchise. X-men was alright, and X3 pissed me off.

Well, please note that I'm not an X-Men fan to begin with, so maybe that's part of it. While I liked X1 just fine (okay, some of the villains sucked), I had a few issues with X2.

NOTE: SPOILERS AHEAD

First, it had a bajillion characters and didn't spend time developing any of them. Maybe this was great for fans who just wanted to see all these characters, but I didn't care personally.

Second, with the exception of Pheonix (which, as a non-fan, I also didn't care about), nothing happened in the entire film. Or rather, everything that did happen was undone by the end of the film, like a bad TV episode. The bad guys joined the good guys, but then left again, big surprise. Some new enemies were made, but by the end of the film they were taken care of. Just... nothing in the film mattered. You could go from X1 to X3 and never know you missed anything, except you wouldn't know about Pheonix. That's it.

Thirdly, Wolverine's story sucked. They already pretty much explained it before, so now they just went in detail with it, but most of the details I had basically guessed anyway. And nothing that was learned changed the character of Wolverine. He was a badass that didn't know about his past and then he learned about his past and... well, nothing. It didn't change anything.

So basically, bad script and too many characters with too little development. What development there was was pointless, as were most of the introduced characters. I give it two stars.

Ok, I stopped reading after

"First, it had a bajillion characters and didn't spend time developing any of them"

That right there is bull, they spent time on most of the characters...

Iceman and his family
Pyro joining Magneto
Wolverine and his past
The Logan/Jean/Scott love triangle

and so on...

Okay, perhaps I should rephrase and say "didn't spend enough time for me to care about the characters."

Better?

No. Unacceptable.

I liked X3. Now leave me alone.




j/k. All the X-men movies were a joke looking back. They had so much potential, but i think they were a huge let down. had they waited a couple more years to start the series, they would've been so much better.

I liked X3. Ratner has made a lot of crap (I couldn't even finish watching Rush Hour 3), but X3 isn't part of it.

He also produces Prison Break on FOX and a lot of people seem to like that.

Wasn't the entire trilogy made before Marvel Studios had full control over the production of their films? I heard that Iron Man was the first Marvel film in which Marvel Studios was in complete control, which would make sense as to why there is such a large discrepancy in quality between the Spiderman, X-Men, and Fantastic Four trilogies, for example, and the new Marvel movies.

But one way or another, the X-Men trilogy had Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, so just imagine how much worse the movies would have been without a couple very good actors playing such pivotal roles :)

Oops, caught my own mistake. Fantastic Four wasn't a trilogy :-p

Marvel still doesn't have full control over the content of the films bearing their names. Not that it would make a difference if they did. Marvel can make mistakes as easily as Hollywood. Heck, they're more likely to do so.

X2's greatest scene has to be the beginning White House scene.

You know, compared to other comic movies (Daredevil, FF2) X3 isn't completely awful, just mostly. And if you don't know the comics then you might not hate it..

What makes it so bad is how much potential it had.. But yeah, I agree, Ratner sucks big ones..

Kratos: TUCKER!!

Do you understand the blood that is coming out of my mouth???

LMAO!

Oh that was funny.

Yea I remember seeing it in the movies and was just appalled when it finished. Ok Cyclops sucks, thats a given but you dont kill the guy! They basically just left the worst of the worst characters left (excluding wolvie and storm)

or worse, have them work together....

Well...God of War has got B-Movie written all over it.And say all you want, but Uwe does have a great passion for movies, no matter how bad they are.

Now give him a big budget, and I think this movie wouldn't be so bad after all.

Passion is one thing, Talent is a completely different thing

Yeah but how much talent do you need to direct a movie which involves a dude cutting other dudes?

Vote for Uwe!

Could you leave Our Uwe alone, please. Thank you.

I don't blame Singer entirely for SUPERMAN RETURNS; mostly because of the subject matter.

He's a hard character to write for, in the same way that the FANTASTIC FOUR are difficult do. Their tales are so "clean-cut" or "cliche'd" by this point that anything socially taboo & dark(like the X-MEN) or highly violent(like 300) would throw off the theme entirely. Add on the fact that Superman is so difficult to defeat by normal means, and you're left with the constant "throw the Kryptonite at him and hope for the best" villain angle is recited ad-nauseam.

The one thing I will blame Singer and WarnerBros./DC Comics for; would be the fact that they listened too closely to their shareholders. Spending ridiculous amounts of money on those new-age Panasonic HD Cameras, the copious amounts of money on the suits & set designs, and literally letting them tarnish a good concept into something that might as well be a Saturday afternoon movie... that's what killed SUPERMAN RETURNS for me.

You mean it wasn't superman being a peeping tom or a deadbeat dad?

You're right that Superman's relative power is always a problem, but there are options.

I think Parasite would make a formidable movie villain for example.

Or do a proper live-action movie about Doomsday, or even toss together a story about Darkseid

Bizarro would also be cool, except that it's such a dumb character as it stands, they would have to retcon him for it to not be a complete joke

I know Superman Returns wasn't a huge success financially, but I really enjoyed it. I went with my girlfriend, who isn't into comic book movies at all, and she enjoyed it too. the only other comic book movie she hasn't hated was Batman Begins.

I thought it did a good job both capturing the feel of the old superman movies, and trying to do something a little more grown up and less teenage. It felt very similar in style to Batman Begins to me.

Are they making another one? Personally I hope so, and I wish they'd move towards a crossover Batman/Superman movie in the future.

(x3 did indeed totally suck though...)

Thank god. Michael Bay is like Uwe Boll, except with a much bigger budget.

Hey. Hey. I loved Transformers.

...haven't seen any other Michael Bay movies, though.

Maybe you were watching a different movie than the rest of the world, but the live-action Transformers movie with Shia LeBeouf was terrible. All Bay had to do was show giant robots fighting and transforming for 2 hours and everything would have been okay, but could he do that? NO! He had to throw in some lame-ass masturbation jokes and dialogue that makes Star Wars Episode V sound coherent. But the worst thing he did was make the Autobots totally worthless. Why the hell were they even in the movie? Every Decepticon killed was killed by a HUMAN! And then, Bumblebee asked Optimus Prime's permission to speak. When, in the whole rest of the movie, did anyone ask Optimus Prime's permission for anything? And to add insult to injury they start making out on top of him at the end of the movie. I'm sorry, but Transformers was god-awful and that's a fact, not an opinion.

Now WRE

That's an opinion. One that millions of people completely disagree with you on.

People can disagree all they want, but that just makes them wrong AND stubborn.

Every Decepticon was killed by a human? I didn't know Optimus Prime was a human (hint: remember Bonecrusher?).

Now go away, because you are 100% wrong.

Wre you are some sort of Movie messiah, for a while now I have been talking about the atrocity that was the Transformers movie. And you summed it up perfectly. Yet Bay is still out there waiting, directing, shooting, his crimes still unpunished, and ready to be released on an unsuspecting audience all over again.

I'm scared....really really scared.

Thank God for Zsavior. I was starting to think that nobody on Joystiq had any taste in movies.

If it didn't have sharkticons and a near dead Orson Welles, then it wasn't a f*cking transformers movie....

YOU'VE GOT THE TOUCH....YOU'VE GOT THE POWAAAAAAAAAH

Although I love Guillermo del Toro's work, I don't really think he would be the best director for the GoW film, and based on what has been shown of Ryu ga gotoku, I would say that Takashi Miike is the best man for the position of director

Noshino ---

Actually, that's not a bad choice either. :] So long as we don't have to see ICHI THE KILLER style manjuicing over slaugher(LOL, other than that - it was a good flick) or that torture sequence from that one movie where the woman got needles jabbed underneath her finger nails(I forgot the title offhand, but even thinking about it has me shuddering).