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Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:19PM aristokrat said
Woah, your PC has video out? I've got to get one of these fancy contraptions. I read Joystiq through my Smell-O-Vision emitter.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:21PM yomachaser said
Monkey Suck Said:
Not only that, you bring up example of DC and PSP, but look at the Nintendo DS. Flash cartridges exist, and a big homebrew community exists for it. Where's the drop in sales? Where's the drop in 3rd party?:
So the fact that 54 companies along with Nintendo are suing to make flash carts on DS illegal doesn't tell you they don't like where the trend is going?
I clearly said when piracy takes root, not when there is some piracy. There has been some piracy on every system ,but the ones that died an early death have been the ones overrun by pirates.
Not only that, you bring up example of DC and PSP, but look at the Nintendo DS. Flash cartridges exist, and a big homebrew community exists for it. Where's the drop in sales? Where's the drop in 3rd party?:
So the fact that 54 companies along with Nintendo are suing to make flash carts on DS illegal doesn't tell you they don't like where the trend is going?
I clearly said when piracy takes root, not when there is some piracy. There has been some piracy on every system ,but the ones that died an early death have been the ones overrun by pirates.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:28PM aristokrat said
Except for the Wii, which sells boatloads of consoles to soccer moms and a peripheral for every new first party game. I wouldn't be surprised if the ease of piracy is responsible for the lack of hardcore games, since 'core' gamers are less likely to get excited about gimmicky peripherals, but if all you need is a disc then why not just download it. Casual games are almost immune to piracy because it has a different audience, and the never-ending wave of peripherals keeps Nintendo's first party games safe. Maybe that's Nintendo's plan though, stamp out piracy by not making anything worth pirating.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:37PM yomachaser said
Nintendo's games get pirated too so I don't think you're on the right track.
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Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:27PM yomachaser said
Ben, I don't know how to respond to you because most of what you said sounds very ill informed. The Dreamcast sold incredibly well early on and PSP is the best selling non-Nintendo handheld in history.
The rest of what you said was equally misinformed.
The rest of what you said was equally misinformed.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:55PM beano311 said
Yeah, look up the sales... The Dreamcast was amazing when it came out, there was really no reason a developer wouldn't want to support it or you wouldn't want to buy it. It's only competition for 16 months was the PS1 and N64, which compared to the DC were "last gen" in terms of power and graphics. Now, do me a favor and go to vgchartz and look at the sales (from launch) of the DC compared to the sales from launch of almost every other console (PS1, PS2, PS3, N64, 360, the original Xbox). None of them are even close to mimicking the poor sales of the dreamcast, even from launch. Even the PS3 had a huge launch compared to the Dreamcast. I don't know where you got the idea that the Dreamcast had a great launch, because it didn't.
Please, tell me what else I said that was wrong. Was it the fact that Gamecube had the least 3rd party support? Let me quote an article from Reuters called "Nintendo Finally Winning Third-Party Support" comparing the Gamecube's failure to attract 3rd party games to the Wii's success. "The GameCube was routinely blasted for being a showcase only for Nintendo-created games like 'Metroid Prime,' 'Animal Crossing,' 'Super Mario Sunshine,' 'Super Smash Brothers Melee' and 'The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.'" http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2325922,00.asp
Was I wrong about the levels of ease of piracy on each system? Highly doubt that... considering I've seens modded PS1's, PS2's, Xboxes, Wiis, PSPs, Gamecubes, Dreamcasts (although there really was no need for an actual hardware "mod") and 360's.
I'm looking at solid facts, I've cited sources (except for the mods), everything you've said so far is pretty much hearsay.
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Please, tell me what else I said that was wrong. Was it the fact that Gamecube had the least 3rd party support? Let me quote an article from Reuters called "Nintendo Finally Winning Third-Party Support" comparing the Gamecube's failure to attract 3rd party games to the Wii's success. "The GameCube was routinely blasted for being a showcase only for Nintendo-created games like 'Metroid Prime,' 'Animal Crossing,' 'Super Mario Sunshine,' 'Super Smash Brothers Melee' and 'The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.'" http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2325922,00.asp
Was I wrong about the levels of ease of piracy on each system? Highly doubt that... considering I've seens modded PS1's, PS2's, Xboxes, Wiis, PSPs, Gamecubes, Dreamcasts (although there really was no need for an actual hardware "mod") and 360's.
I'm looking at solid facts, I've cited sources (except for the mods), everything you've said so far is pretty much hearsay.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 5:59PM monkeyssuck said
You should probably use the reply button instead of creating a new argument. First off, all of this is technically illegal. Making any modifications to the console, both software and hardware is illegal. You're right, this shows that this is an issue with them. But obviously it hasn't really hurt sales, considering Nintendo alone made over 900 million, and there's still a lot of developers for it. Companies are after EVERY dollar they can get, and are willing to fight tooth and nail for it.
Also, like I said before, this is only really affecting the downloadable content. It's highly unlikely that a soft mod will be made available with the current protection scheme. Probably sometime soon, Nintendo will release another patch, probably to stop the VC/WW games from being cracked. Then piracy really won't be an issue with homebrew.
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Also, like I said before, this is only really affecting the downloadable content. It's highly unlikely that a soft mod will be made available with the current protection scheme. Probably sometime soon, Nintendo will release another patch, probably to stop the VC/WW games from being cracked. Then piracy really won't be an issue with homebrew.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 10:57PM BananaBoat said
Obviously you don't have a very firm understanding of what can be done to stop pirates. If you think that Nintendo can release a magic patch that would keep the scumbags pirating Wiiware and VC games from doing it, they'd have done it by now. The truth of the matter is that there is no longer anything Nintendo can do, by virtue of there being complete IOS (firmware, basically) overhauls on the internet. In other words, if Nintendo put out a patch tomorrow, someone would look at it, take out anything that was detrimental to their pirating ways, and then release it to the community. This is basically what happens time after time with the PSP, and there has been nothing Sony can do about it, so thinking that there is anything Nintendo can do about it is silly.
Then again, I'd absolutely love it if there were a magic solution to keep people from stealing Wii Ware/VC titles, but it's just not going to happen unfortunately.
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Then again, I'd absolutely love it if there were a magic solution to keep people from stealing Wii Ware/VC titles, but it's just not going to happen unfortunately.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 7:49PM Kiron22 said
Homebrew is not against the law, unlike Microsoft or Sony where you just "Hire" the console when you brought it thus adding modchips or Homebrew is against civil law, Nintendo have no such clause, you are allowed to tinker with the thing as much as you want.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 7:54PM MNeko said
Can I just say that the faded messages are annoying? Let US decide whether or not we want to read them.
Posted: Jul 30th 2008 8:43PM logicbus said
One (big) thing missing from the video: If you try the first homebrew savegame and your Wii freezes, reboot and try the second one. I've got the newer disc, so I had to use the second savegame. The video doesn't mention that.
Anyway, the second savegame worked like a charm and I'm up and running. Impressive.
Anyway, the second savegame worked like a charm and I'm up and running. Impressive.
Posted: Jul 31st 2008 12:10AM (Unverified) said
hey mine did not work and i tried many times
can you send me the homebrew file by any chance?
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can you send me the homebrew file by any chance?
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