Red Faction: Guerilla beta open on 360 for IGN Insider and FilePlanet subscribers
by Griffin McElroy 
{ Aug 3rd 2008 at 1:30PM }
There is a beta application to fill out, though we don't think they would turn their precious subscribers away. It's of little importance to us, however, as we make it a point not to subscribe to things that aren't the Oprah magazine.
[Thanks, Kyle.]
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Lord Bowser @ Aug 3rd 2008 1:42PM
Another shooter? Here's a repost from a previous thread, it's just as appliable here. Just replace Call of Duty for Red Faction:
Another redundant shooter? Have developers exhausted the well of ideas only two years into this generation. At this rate we might as well mark this down as the worst generation, the "Baby Boomers" of the 50s; we have Nintendo and their complete disregard for their heritage; we have an underperforming Sony machine which is more a movie device than a games machine, at the moment; and we have the biggest failure of them all, the 360, pumping out turgid regurgitation on a constant basis.
This cacophony of mediocrity leads me to believe that at this point, in 2008, this is the point when gaming truly became mainstream, and as such, without worth. Not because it is now a mainstream pursuit, I won't be so fatuous (no here, anyway), but because, like Hollywood or mainstream tv, safety, blandness, and regurgitation is going to be the norm. Activision and the COD series is just the beginning, it will get a whole lot worse from here on.
And it's not me, I'm not jaded one. I enjoy games very much, my posts on DS/PSPfanboy are testament to that. But all the home consoles are a disappointment, the greatest disappointment. People don't like this gen because it's boring. Last gen, we got DMC, and that redefined action games; Burnout redefined arcade racing; Metroid Prime showed us that a shooter could be more than just a shooter; Ninja Gaiden took what DMC did and polished it to a mirror-like sheen; RE4 made Resident Evil exciting again. All amazing. Last gen was all about moving forward.
Now let's look at today, shall we? Mediocre DMC and Metroid Prime; what the hell happened to Ninja Gaiden? Our polished gem became a bland walnut, so lacking in heart, spirit, no nothing; and RE4, I mean RE5, it's hard to tell with all the identical animations, has gone all Klu Klux to stay relevant. An interesting move.
This gen is mediocre and at worst a crime, especially when compared to last gen it looks terrible. It's the same old noise with a hi-def coat, or in the Wii's case a SD-coat. It's sad that so many people have fallen for the veil of beautiful graphics, it really is. Because underneath the veil is a terrible secret. Shall I tell you what it is? All these games now are no different to Dreamcast games and these faceless corporations are hoodwinking us of our Euros and Dollars. This gen is a fallacy. There are no more quantum leaps. No more redefinition. No more ingenuity. No more heroes. Just staleness.
BananaBoat @ Aug 3rd 2008 1:56PM
Another RPG? Here's a repost from a previous thread, it's just as appliable here. Just replace Oblivion for Final Fantasy XIII:
Another redundant RPG? Have developers exhausted the well of ideas only two years into this generation. At this rate we might as well mark this down as the worst generation, the "Baby Boomers" of the 50s; we have Nintendo and their complete disregard for their heritage; we have an underperforming Sony machine which is more a movie device than a games machine, at the moment; and we have the biggest failure of them all, the 360, pumping out turgid regurgitation on a constant basis.
This cacophony of mediocrity leads me to believe that at this point, in 2008, this is the point when gaming truly became mainstream, and as such, without worth. Not because it is now a mainstream pursuit, I won't be so fatuous (no here, anyway), but because, like Hollywood or mainstream tv, safety, blandness, and regurgitation is going to be the norm. Square Soft and the Final Fantasy series is just the beginning, it will get a whole lot worse from here on.
And it's not me, I'm not jaded one. I enjoy games very much, my posts on DS/PSPfanboy are testament to that. But all the home consoles are a disappointment, the greatest disappointment. People don't like this gen because it's boring. Last gen, we got Chrono Cross, and that redefined RPG games; Project Gotham 4 redefined arcade racing; Bioshock showed us that a shooter could be more than just a shooter; Ninja Gaiden took what DMC did and polished it to a mirror-like sheen; RE4 made Resident Evil exciting again. All amazing. Last gen was all about moving forward.
Now let's look at today, shall we? Mediocre Pokemon and Madden; what the hell happened to Katamari Damacy? Our polished gem became a bland walnut, so lacking in heart, spirit, no nothing; and Saints Row 2, I mean Grand Theft Auto 4, it's hard to tell with all the identical animations, has gone all Klu Klux to stay relevant. An interesting move.
This gen is mediocre and at worst a crime, especially when compared to last gen it looks terrible. It's the same old noise with a hi-def coat, or in the Wii's case a SD-coat. It's sad that so many people have fallen for the veil of beautiful graphics, it really is. Because underneath the veil is a terrible secret. Shall I tell you what it is? All these games now are no different to Dreamcast games and these faceless corporations are hoodwinking us of our Euros and Dollars. This gen is a fallacy. There are no more quantum leaps. No more redefinition. No more ingenuity. No more heroes. Just staleness.
Jacksons @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:10PM
Oh, don't be so pessimistic. There's still plenty of fun, unique games out there. Though I will agree that a few select genres have exploded recently, so to speak.
Obie @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:12PM
- 1 Join in on the fun gang!
Lord Chako @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:54PM
"Just staleness."
Your posts are getting stale.
Stewart Bananas @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:59PM
I don't understand why a game has to be revolutionary to be fun...
Rooshma @ Aug 3rd 2008 3:04PM
Well then just stay on DS/PSP Fanboy...
As for me, I actually enjoy the majority of games out there, Oblivion was amazing, Fallout 3 looks even better, Fable 2 will rock my socks. Yes there are a lot of shooters, but there are still quite a few fun non-shooter games out there. I'm not sure why you even got your hopes up for DMC 4, I guess that's just because I'm not one for those kinds of games, but still.
Mirror's edge, LBP, Infamous, Spore, MadWorld. Seems alright to me, but if you want the world to be a steaming pile of meh then you can go ahead and see that, you don't need to spread your pessimism here.
BananaBoat @ Aug 3rd 2008 3:58PM
As far as Copypasta goes, the one above is pretty tame.
Completely ignoring the new paradigm of online connectivity? Check. Ignoring that most of these sequels are out because fans WANT them? Check. Ignoring that last gen introduced DVD's to the world in much the same way that this gen is introducing Blu-Ray (and HD-DVD, but you know how that went)? Check.
Being able to play basically any game on the 360 or PS3 over the internet with your friends (or complete strangers, whatever floats your boat) has been more of a revolution than the Wii and it's motion controls ever thought about being. Oh sure, the last gen had online games, but they were few and far between. The ones that were online (like Halo 2) were pretty cheater prone and didn't include any of the social aspects that Live and PSN now have.
I know this is horribly off topic (considering that this is a story about Red Faction and you didn't even mention Red Faction once) but I'd say that the state of video games is just fine. There is now a truck load of casual games that most of us could care less about, but atleast it's not really causing a stop to the production of hardcore games. The thing that has the potential to do that, is the rising costs of developing a game, but as we've seen with the movie industry, they'll keep making high dollar games if we keep buying them.
Now if only I could get me some HD Zelda.....*drool*
The Fatass of Kickassness @ Aug 3rd 2008 4:04PM
I present what may be the longest post in Joystiq history.
"Another redundant shooter? Have developers exhausted the well of ideas only two years into this generation. At this rate we might as well mark this down as the worst generation, the "Baby Boomers" of the 50s; we have Nintendo and their complete disregard for their heritage; we have an underperforming Sony machine which is more a movie device than a games machine, at the moment; and we have the biggest failure of them all, the 360, pumping out turgid regurgitation on a constant basis."
Do you even look up details of the games or systems in question before you bash them? The worst generation? Pfft. Lemme explain what I mean by this. Nintendo, within the first two years of having their system out, updated their most important franchises with sequels that could hardly be called 'bad', and with but one exception, all of them were arguably better than their predecessors. The Playstation 3 has more great titles than people like you give it credit for, a discovery that a quick venture to a site like VGChartz or Metacritic would hail, and yet it seems as though you're one of the 'jaded gamers' who jumps on the hate bandwagon simply because you see sales data and think, hey, it's not doing so well, so it musn't have many good games. The 360 does have too many shooters for it's own good but the ones that you hate on, the ones that you constantly bash, are the same that are offering new ideas and polishing the old ones, making it so that the genre gets better and better with each iteration. Example? THE GAME IN QUESTION. Red Faction: Guerilla. I suggest you actually look up some details on the game - it is doing plenty, and I mean PLENTY, to set it apart from other shooters and offer some interesting new ideas to the genre. Of course, why actually research shit when you can look edgy by bashing everything in sight?
"This cacophony of mediocrity leads me to believe that at this point, in 2008, this is the point when gaming truly became mainstream, and as such, without worth. Not because it is now a mainstream pursuit, I won't be so fatuous (no here, anyway), but because, like Hollywood or mainstream tv, safety, blandness, and regurgitation is going to be the norm. Activision and the COD series is just the beginning, it will get a whole lot worse from here on."
Oh, shut your mouth. If I were to ask you why you don't think COD4 is a good game, you'd just reply with "cuz its an fps". So the fuck what, man? Each and every last genre is chock full of games, and to whine and berate a game that is indisputably polished and has a pretty memorable single player campaign is just stupid if thats your only base for doing so. You'll whine because a particular series is getting a lot of games, whether or not the games are, you know, actually good. You'll whine if a game isn't a completely original concept, even though in doing so that would limit your repitoire to about four or five games a year. What's wrong with an unoriginal idea if it takes the original idea and polishes it, adds new elements, etc. something that many games this generation have done? Of course, you'll look past all of those advancements simply because, I dunno, it gives you something to bitch about? Seriously, I don't understand. Is it because it's not the same kind of quantum shift the last generation heralded? Because I can tell you right now, there will NEVER be a generation quite like the last one, simply because that was the generation during which technological limits were lifted and ideas that were impossible during the previous generation were possible during that generation. In this generation, not much new is possible, but what we do have is the option to polish and make fresh the concepts and ideas that were given to us in the previous generation.
"nd it's not me, I'm not jaded one. I enjoy games very much, my posts on DS/PSPfanboy are testament to that. But all the home consoles are a disappointment, the greatest disappointment. People don't like this gen because it's boring. Last gen, we got DMC, and that redefined action games; Burnout redefined arcade racing; Metroid Prime showed us that a shooter could be more than just a shooter; Ninja Gaiden took what DMC did and polished it to a mirror-like sheen; RE4 made Resident Evil exciting again. All amazing. Last gen was all about moving forward. Now let's look at today, shall we? Mediocre DMC and Metroid Prime; what the hell happened to Ninja Gaiden? Our polished gem became a bland walnut, so lacking in heart, spirit, no nothing; and RE4, I mean RE5, it's hard to tell with all the identical animations, has gone all Klu Klux to stay relevant. An interesting move.
What did we get this generation?
Yeah, DMC wasn't all that good. But thats where I'll stop.
Burnout Paradise is without a doubt the best in the series, and to say the game doesn't redefine the standard set by the last few games in the series would be absolutely rediculous. Brand new gameplay elements, a smarter, more polished overworld, and updates that frequently add new features and give the gamer more ways to enjoy the product... what isn't great about that?
And how in the hell is Metroid Prime 3 mediocre? What it did was give closure to the Prime series, and it did it impeccably well. The lore was the best in the series, without a doubt, and while I could have gone without a few of those gunfights, several of the boss battles required me to think more than any other ones in the Prime series. The idea of seperation and loneliness was sacrificed, yeah, and that gave the game a different feel than the other games... but what it gave in return, I can't explain. Having the main character reluctantly kill off her active allies (revealed in scans and the 100% cutscene to be her friends) offered a feeling the other two games didn't, and that's something I appreciate. I liked Metroid Prime 1 more in certain aspects, but I liked Metroid Prime 3 in plenty too. I don't understand why you don't.
"Tis gen is mediocre and at worst a crime, especially when compared to last gen it looks terrible. It's the same old noise with a hi-def coat, or in the Wii's case a SD-coat. It's sad that so many people have fallen for the veil of beautiful graphics, it really is. Because underneath the veil is a terrible secret. Shall I tell you what it is? All these games now are no different to Dreamcast games and these faceless corporations are hoodwinking us of our Euros and Dollars. This gen is a fallacy. There are no more quantum leaps. No more redefinition. No more ingenuity. No more heroes. Just staleness."
There will never be a generation as good as the last one. It wasn't just about ingenuity last generation... it was about a limit imposed by the N64/PS1 generation that could finally be crossed. The same kind of limit wasn't there in the transition between last gen and this gen, and while it is saddening, you can't deny that (and yeah, I agree with you that there's way too much bland shit but) plenty of shit has been polished. Plenty of genres have been redefined. With more power comes an ability to make the old better, make it fresh and new again. And I've seen plenty of games doing that.
One last thing. I used to hate you, but don't mistake my jackassery in this response for my current demeanor and view of you. I have a HUGE amount of respect for you, not only because of this post, but because of some of your other recent posts. And while I may not agree with you often, you've definately shown yourself to be an intellegent poster. I'm not gonna hate on you, or anyone anymore btw (because I'm sick of being a jackass, lol).
Dovi @ Aug 3rd 2008 6:02PM
Damn it Fatass you broke my scroll wheel.
Dovi @ Aug 3rd 2008 6:02PM
Damn it Fatass you broke my scroll wheel.
deaftly @ Aug 3rd 2008 6:42PM
Damn it Fatass you broke my scroll wheel.
The Fatass of Posts-too-muchness @ Aug 3rd 2008 6:53PM
Damn it Fatass you broke my scroll wheel.
fred @ Aug 3rd 2008 11:26PM
i lol'd at everyone in this thread
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Tiptup300 @ Aug 4th 2008 12:19AM
Damn it Joystiq you broke his repost
fuzbev @ Aug 6th 2008 12:46AM
you are so full of crap it hurts. How bout doing a little more research and try actually being a gamer before you critize them.
Residentevil72501 @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:04PM
I LoL'd on that one, good job :P
wwm0nkey @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:07PM
I played this beta and all I have to say is awesome :P. Also to Lord Bowser. There are only a few types of gernes out there so dont expect a new gerne to pop up at all. There are plent of RPG, platformers, puzzle, FPS, TPS, and ect out there but that doesnt mean they are all the same now does it?
Erik Stroud @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:45PM
I would play it, but having to subscribe to something I can get for free is a no go for me. So, I guess I will be waiting till it is released.
door0122 @ Aug 3rd 2008 2:53PM
"There is a beta application to fill out, though we don't think they would turn their precious subscribers away."
Actually, yes they would turn away subscribers. I just filled out the application and got the following message at the end.
"THQ requires that all beta participants have an Xbox360 with an active Xbox LIVE
Gold account, have a minimum experience with First or Third person shooters and
weekly gameplay time. All participants must be 18 or older. "
RoHitman @ Aug 3rd 2008 4:34PM
I got that same error. Turns out I accidently skipped the amount of time played per week and it was at something like 1hr. I redid the application in a new browser and got a code though.
Fernando Rocker @ Aug 3rd 2008 3:14PM
Lord Bowser just does it for attention, just like a 13 year old white girl with tattoos and a tongue ring who grew up with an overly protective yet sexually abusive father who only wanted his daugther to himself. Here's a hint, I don't dig kiddie porn, so I won't go parading around kiddie porn forums. If you don't like the games joystiq posts about, then GTFO!!!
The Fatass of Kickassness @ Aug 3rd 2008 5:12PM
OH SNAP ITS A CLONE
Dovi @ Aug 3rd 2008 6:10PM
Shut up Jared
Mr Grim xX @ Aug 3rd 2008 3:47PM
Played the beta yesterday. Seems like they just took the Lost Planet game and changed it all to re faction. Lost Planet was an OK game.. This seems to be the same OK at best...
Mamba @ Aug 3rd 2008 4:52PM
for the people who made an essay out of shit, shut the fuck up and go in the sun, you need a fucking tan, get out of your caves
The Fatass of Kickassness @ Aug 3rd 2008 5:11PM
You try to keep yourself awake any other way when you're at work.
Hey, you're probably not old enough to have a job in the first place. :\
AwesomeTown @ Aug 4th 2008 7:32AM
Hey, if the essays are actually a good intelligent argument/discussion, then I'm all for it. In fact, I enjoy reading it. You should feel lucky that you can actually find them on the internet.
nintenjoe @ Aug 3rd 2008 5:14PM
Yea, it told me I didn't meet the requirements. So they would turn away a subscriber.
Mamba @ Aug 3rd 2008 8:02PM
i got in, in a jiffy, as a subscriber
Mike @ Oct 8th 2008 11:38PM
I'm pissed. I am a FilePlanet subscriber, but it wouldn't let me join. Said I needed to be from North America to join the beta. Hello? Trying to join from California, USA here!
It's too bad FilePlanet has terrible customer service for a site that's normally really great.