Microsoft's Gosen warns of 'thin line between gimmick and great gameplay'

You're in the Movies is just one thing, Wii is Wii through and through. This man is correct. Need evidence? watch Nintendo's E3 conference again.

Oh yes, let's go back to looking at the keynote as the totality of everything the Wii is, and ignore all the facts that totally debunk that

Yep the biggest promotion of your goals, future, and past all rolled into one keynote. You are right, ignore the moment everyone turns its eyes to you.

I agree with Sound, those making a gimmick like you're in the movies should be careful to not be criticizing themselves in the end.

I think that its fair to attack Nintendo for not making a more diverse library of games for "core" gamer types (as everyone's doing lately), but calling their devices a gimmick is pushing it.

It may not be the totality, but they made sure everyone knew they're about 80%-20% casual/core now.

No one's disputing the fact that it was a shitty show, but if you even look at their releases in Japan this August: Wario Land, Captain Rainbow, and Fatal Frame IV.

Actions speak louder than words

Nintendo fans are still promoting captain rainbow? I would pretend that never existed if I was a nintendo fanboy.

Why, precisely? The name is ill-advised, certainly, but it is awfully shallow to regard a game thus

We promote it because it is the perfect counterpoint to the FUD that they have abandoned their loyal fanbase, considering that the game is fan-service incarnate

Plus the gameplay seems to be one part Animal Crossing and one part Viewtiful Joe, which sounds like a winning formula

So. I'm supposed to be excited over Wario Land, Captain Rainbow, and Fatal Frame IV? No thanks.

Nobody said you had to be excited. However, it is inarguable that these games are directed at the "core," and are all published by Nintendo

Yeah fatal frame was a mediocre to ok series on the ps2, so I see no reason to push 4 to AAA status. Captain Rainbow is just a big fat LOL.

Ok I've admitted in the past I'd like to play wario land, but it's basically a re-tooled 20 year old game kinda like bionic commando. People are excited for bionic commando (the PSN/XBLA version) as well, but no one thinks it's some huge budget AAA game. It should be an ok time waster for a couple days.

Hahaha... Fatal Frame?! Why not throw OneeChanbara in there, too?

I'll give you Captain Rainbow, despite the off-putting name.

But Wario Land? 2-D platforming with needless waggle? That's a AAA "core" title?

I see the homophobes are still threatened by Capitan Rainbow.

I also like how Fatal Frame is now a crap series, but when it was announced initially for the Wii, it was, "WHAT?! NO!!! Fatal Frame DESERVES to be in HD!"


"But Wario Land? 2-D platforming with needless waggle? That's a AAA "core" title?"

So it makes more sense to press a button to shake something on screen as opposed to...shaking the controller? Ooooooookaaaaaay....
Just don't ever come back and tell me that videogames are supposed to be immersive, this why they need HD graphics and 7.1 sound.

Samfish stop using that weak ass excuse to defend captain rainbow. Most people don't like it because it looked like a shit game, not just because it screams gay out.

And no, we don't need to shake a controller instead of pressing a button. It's pointless and stupid looking.

The only reason you have to shake something on-screen is to give the tacked-on waggle some context.

Aww, does the little homophobe not like being called out?

Then why don't you actually ELABORATE for ONCE on why the game is "LOL", tbag?

Oh I seem to have missed out on the latest NDF meeting because it seems like their new way out of sucking every shitty game nintendo throws at them up is by calling the people who see the game for what it really is homophobes.

The fact that YOU guys are the ones constantly bringing the gay thing up to people who say the game looks like shit says more about your insecurities than anyone else's. I said nothing about anything being gay, just that it looked extremely shitty. I guess that's not good enough anymore

If you can't go back to the first trailer and see how bad that game really is, and all you can say is GAY BASHER GAY BASHER WAAAA then you really need to step back and take the nintendo shades off to see some reality.

Seeing you people obsess over every teeny little sub par game because you're that damn short on games to play is pretty sickening. Examples of this besides captain rainbow is mediocre dark shooter The Conduit, Fatal Frame (a series that has always been meh) and Tenchu (a series that has been irrelevant for around 10 years). You don't even obsess over them because they may look good, you obsess over them because you're desperate for games that don't completely suck to try and rub in our faces and prove us wrong about Nintendo.

Don't answer this question here, because we know what you'll say here but think about it inside....Would I like this game the way I do if it wasn't made by Nintendo and was just some 3rd party publisher like Ubisoft?

I'd be willing to bet a lot of you NDF would just pass this off as more 3rd party garbage.

So please, if you're going to fight with me, at least grow up and fight like an adult. Screaming out homophobe at everyone who doesn't like a game that appeals to you is pretty kindergarten and frankly, something I'd expect out of 4myfriends, lord bowser, or curmeo. Not you.

"I said nothing about anything being gay, just that it looked extremely shitty. I guess that's not good enough anymore"

No, tmac, it's NEVER been good enough to just say it looks shitty. Especially coming from YOU.

"So please, if you're going to fight with me, at least grow up and fight like an adult. Screaming out homophobe at everyone who doesn't like a game that appeals to you is pretty kindergarten and frankly, something I'd expect out of 4myfriends, lord bowser, or curmeo. Not you."

Don't pull that high and mighty bunk on me. You have more in common with those names than I do, I'd be so bold to say (though I'm far from perfect). I'm not the one who goes and shits on Sony or MS in nearly every topic. You aren't an idiot, Tmac. You've articulated yourself in the past, which is why it's irritating to see you stoop down to such levels all the time when it comes ONLY to games on the Wii.

A VERY high percentage of people who weren't interested in Capitan Rainbow said "LOL GAY!" when it was first revealed. You don't want to be lumped in with those people? You know what to do.

tmac, you seem to be packed with even more shit than usual. When the promo vid featuring Birdo was released, one of the top comments was about how it was Nintendo gaying it up. And samfish is the one that needs to grow up and fight like an adult? The pure unfiltered irony of that sentence by its lonesome almost made blood shoot out of every orifice of my body simultaneously.

Examples of this besides captain rainbow is mediocre dark shooter The Conduit, Fatal Frame (a series that has always been meh) and Tenchu (a series that has been irrelevant for around 10 years)

mediocre dark shooter? So 1 Wii game VS. at least 6 Xbox titles. Fatal Frame has never been "meh", it may not be Silent Hill, but its not "meh", even when it was on the PS2/Xbox. And you failed to realize the whole point of Tenchu IV, to make the series relevant again. Just because a series is "irrelevant" doesn't mean the games are shit, it just means that series isn't as popular as it once was (see Perfect Dark Zero).

What's the main complaint about Nintendo games? That they rehash the same series for each new console. But when Nintendo says fuck that shit and tries to create a new IP, you call them out because the graphical style doesn't allow you to see every crumb Tao eats. Just because you whore yourself out to the graphics and generally neglect the overall gameplay, doesn't mean everyone else has to. I only think about one thing: Is this game fun? Captain Rainbow looks fun, just as MLB Power Pros did last year.

Also, how does the game look bad? Are you trying to compare it to, say, Gears 2? Its basically the same thing Okami Wii ran on, only a bit smoother overall. Maybe I'm biased because I enjoyed Chibi Robo! a lot on the GCN, and skip has been dedicating all their time since then to this.

Here, allow ME to explain to you why I LIKE (from what I've seen at least) Capitan Rainbow, too, lest I be somewhat hypocritical.

1) I like the art style. The boxart is freakin' awesome, too. Don't care how much you don't like the game itself, but that's just a work of art, from a design standpoint.

2) I like the obscure sense of nostalgia (plus I like Mystery of Murasame Castle and Takamaru in particular)

3) It's been described as Animal Crossing meets Viewtiful Jow. I've said numerous times that beat 'em ups, such as VJ, are a genre that I adore (Animal Crossing not so much, though). To me, it looks more like Zelda side quests than Animal Crossing, but who knows? This is the primary reason why it appeals to me.

I have my reasons for being genuinely interested in it. I tend to like more niche games, I gravitate towards colorful games like Okami and Viewtiful Joe in general and the beat 'em up part looks potentially cool.

"Yeah fatal frame was a mediocre to ok series on the ps2, so I see no reason to push 4 to AAA status."

Suda-51's directing it, that's good enough reason for me.

Also, Captain Rainbow looks like an extremely awesome game. But I guess given this generation's main color schemes of gritty brown and gray games, I don't many would be interested in what it has to offer: Something DIFFERENT.

Wii Shit fails the "balance" test SO hard. Here's a scale that is infinitely more functional than Wii Sit:

http://www.amazon.com/Thinner-Scale-Conair-TH208-Analysis/dp/B000OCN8C6

Pay $70 to track your WORTHLESS B.M.I, or under $30 to tell you what your body fat % is.

Nintendo's selling you a gimmick that's based on 20 year old medical science. If that's your idea of hitting the balance, you shouldn't be anywhere near the discussion.

Average Customer review of product: 3 stars

Average Customer review of your opinion without even playing the game: 0 stars

What about Guitar Hero.

My comment did not contend that all devices are gimmicks. Only that the difference between a good game and a bad game with or without a gimmick is not a "thin line".

But since you asked yes indeed I do feel that Guitar hero is the lowest end of the gaming Darwin Scale. Rhythm games (even when they are fun) are not really high brow gaming are they?

God Shag, you make the mom jokes easier than... well, your mom.

I agree; GH is reinvention of an old and stale form of gameplay.

Did you even read the article? He's saying it's important that these types of things don't become nothing more than a short lived gimmick. You can't judge things that aren't even released yet. Cripes.

Three titles in the 360's library versus... 80% of all titles in the Wii's library.

Hmmm...

He starts putting down Wii Fit and Pulls out the Karaoke game? really smart dude. Probably as smart as leaving Nintendo right before the DS and Wii, lol...

really...most games are lacking quality on the 360??? Do you own one, how about the recent/ongoing slew of quality arcade games? halo 3 is quality, Viva Pinata is quality, Crackdown was quality, though it was underrated, SCIV?? If anything, Wii lacks quality, only 2 games I believe are decent, that I own but don't play, are brawl and MKwii... please, lack of quality on 360...

Zack and Wiki say hi

They are in the actual games department.

Dosnt look that way though dose it.

It's funny, really, like Gosen flailing his arms at Nintendo, saying, "Wait, you can't do that! You can't make gimmicky games that...SELL! That's unfair! Play by our rules and make 'real' games and not so much money plz."

If you want to pretend all of this money they're making actually does something for you, then go ahead. Meanwhile, you can wait a lot more (or play brawl and mario kart like the devil woman said) for when/if nintendo ever decides to release another real game again to barely keep you satisfied.

I hope for your sake you have another system, because I for one couldn't stand playing nothing for that long.

The real games are there, and coming

Just because you choose to ignore certain things, doesn't somehow warp reality

@tmac: I'm not pretending anything. I just think it's unprofessional of Gosen to tell Nintendo how to do things, or that the way they are doing things is wrong. As if the Wii's "gimmicky games" are the end of gaming.

And I am not a fangirl of any company, so I happen to own and enjoy both systems, kthx.

Like Captain Rainbow right? LOL

None of that was directed to you saria, it was to twee. You must have posted when I was writing all that.

Captain Rainbow, Wario Land, Fatal Frame IV, aside from the efforts from 3rd parties that seem to be finally waking up to the full breadth of creative Wii development

@tmac: Oh, sorry. :( Hence you should always put the @who: directive lest you get flamed as all get-out by an angry woman gamer! And that's the lesson of the day.

Flamed as all get out? Really? Every single get out? I do not think you can mean that. =)