Joystiq impressions: Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice

Not that the game isn't fun. The fact that this article is being penned at 4am after 9 hours spent playing and losing track of time should be a testament to Disgaea 3's addictive nature, a trait that the series has had in spades since its freshman effort.
The problem, if you can call it that, is that Disgaea is a series that refuses to evolve, graphically or otherwise. Niida told us in that same interview that the sprites in Disgaea 3 "take 3~4 times the amount of labor to create compared to Disgaea 2," and that the artists were working to improve the quality of the sprites for this latest sequel.
Unfortunately, to all but the most discerning eye, the game remains largely indistinguishable from the previous two games. The sprites look identical to those in earlier titles, if not muddier thanks to the leap into high-definition. The only graphical luster that's apparent is in the various environments and menus, which look much sharper than before, but this polish means nothing when the character sprites don't share the same resolution. There's nothing here that looks like it couldn't have been just as easily accomplished on the PS2, and for fans who have not yet moved on to Sony's latest console, this alone is likely to feel like a slap in the face.
Nevertheless, Disgaea 3 remains an absolutely massive game. With nearly 50 character and monster classes on top of guest characters from previous games, it would be easy to spend more than a hundred hours digging into the game's strategic nuances, from character creation and combat tactics to loot manipulation through the series' famous (infamous?) Item World.
The sequel builds on this even further, adding a new area, The Academy, which adds yet another layer of depth, allowing individual character stats to be adventured into and improved as well. Other changes sure to be noticed by series vets include those made to skills, which are no longer earned through experience, but rather purchased using mana points collected in combat. In addition, Disgaea 3 bumps up the available special attacks, spells, and abilities, giving an otherwise stale experience a bit of unmistakable flavor.
Recycling aside, Disgaea 3 is still probably the best game in the series to date. With humor that hits more than it misses, memorable characters, and ridiculously deep gameplay, Absence of Justice will be adored by fans looking to once more grind their way through the Netherworld one more time. For anyone else, however, or for those simply wanting to see what all the fuss is about, we suggest picking up one of the previous two games instead. The experience is much the same and the overwhelming need to apologize much much less.
Unfortunately, to all but the most discerning eye, the game remains largely indistinguishable from the previous two games. The sprites look identical to those in earlier titles, if not muddier thanks to the leap into high-definition. The only graphical luster that's apparent is in the various environments and menus, which look much sharper than before, but this polish means nothing when the character sprites don't share the same resolution. There's nothing here that looks like it couldn't have been just as easily accomplished on the PS2, and for fans who have not yet moved on to Sony's latest console, this alone is likely to feel like a slap in the face.
Nevertheless, Disgaea 3 remains an absolutely massive game. With nearly 50 character and monster classes on top of guest characters from previous games, it would be easy to spend more than a hundred hours digging into the game's strategic nuances, from character creation and combat tactics to loot manipulation through the series' famous (infamous?) Item World.
The sequel builds on this even further, adding a new area, The Academy, which adds yet another layer of depth, allowing individual character stats to be adventured into and improved as well. Other changes sure to be noticed by series vets include those made to skills, which are no longer earned through experience, but rather purchased using mana points collected in combat. In addition, Disgaea 3 bumps up the available special attacks, spells, and abilities, giving an otherwise stale experience a bit of unmistakable flavor.
Recycling aside, Disgaea 3 is still probably the best game in the series to date. With humor that hits more than it misses, memorable characters, and ridiculously deep gameplay, Absence of Justice will be adored by fans looking to once more grind their way through the Netherworld one more time. For anyone else, however, or for those simply wanting to see what all the fuss is about, we suggest picking up one of the previous two games instead. The experience is much the same and the overwhelming need to apologize much much less.











Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
juju187 @ Aug 17th 2008 3:36PM
kind of a let down no high res sprites... still would buy it if i had a ps3
Erik Stroud @ Aug 17th 2008 4:13PM
This is one of the reasons I want a PS3. I don't mind that it isn't much of an upgrade, it's only $50.
NoHitHair @ Aug 17th 2008 4:40PM
NIS simply doesn't want anyone's money. I'm not even willing to consider purchasing a PS3 solely for this game whereas had they released it on the PS2, I would've definitely picked one up. And somehow, I highly doubt I'm alone in this.
Their loss.
Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Aug 17th 2008 5:43PM
NoHitHair.... dude...
NIS has already published one PS2 game so far this year, have four coming out on DS, and Ar Tonelica 2 dropping in December on PS2. This is their first PS3 release despite the system being out for two years while they continue to feed PS2, PSP, and DS, forgive the fuck out of them for wanting to move onto a next gen console. Especially since there has been several uber niche titles released in Japan so far on PS3 that fits right into their release lineups...
In other words, don't be a twat. "They don't want my money." Sure they do? Do you own Mana Kharia? Do you have Ar Tonelica 2 preordered or Puchi Puchi Virus, Rhapsody, A Witch's Tale, or Disgaea DS preordered? No? They want your money, they are just releasing on multiconsoles rather than just one.
Yourself @ Aug 17th 2008 8:13PM
Nonetheless, as many platforms as they release games on, they still seem only to be developing for one. While I have no issue with Disgaea DS (ports are fine when they're to a handheld), PSP and PS2 games are largely interchangeable, and Disgaea 3 looks like it could be a PS2 game. So instead of widening their audience, they alienating them. The argument that they "want to move on to a next-gen console" should be evidenced in their actual game design, not just the label on the box.
Actually, the fact that they still support the PS2 makes it even more mysterious why they would release a PS2-quality game on a much more expensive console. It's masturbatory and insulting to suggest that "everyone will still want our game, we don't have to justify why it's on the platform that it's on." They haven't proved they're are willing to move on in any way shape or form, and have in fact more likely proved that they don't know what it means to move on.
The simple fact of the matter is that if Disgaea 3 was released on PS2: All PS2 owners would be able to play it, and most PS3 owners would be able to play it. If technology isn't being taken advantage of, then what's the point of cutting off the majority of that audience?
Yourself @ Aug 17th 2008 8:16PM
And I apologize for the typos and grammatical errors in the last post. Oddly enough, once I used "are" twice in a row, and once I omitted it.
Noshino @ Aug 17th 2008 8:56PM
"The simple fact of the matter is that if Disgaea 3 was released on PS2: All PS2 owners would be able to play it, and most PS3 owners would be able to play it. If technology isn't being taken advantage of, then what's the point of cutting off the majority of that audience?"
this is utter bullshit.
to begin with, they might not be taking advantage of the system, but at least they are not releasing crap like many other companies have with their first release on the system! seriously, NIS is an awfully small studio, and for them to be releasing so many games AND release a game for PS3 (reportedly the hardest to develop for) it is an achievement
And cutting off the majority of the audience? NOT UNTIL RECENTLY DID THE FIRST DISGAEA BECOME GREATEST HIT! It took 5 years, 5 man, and the PS3 is considered for now to have a niche market, niche game for a niche market.
Yourself @ Aug 17th 2008 10:12PM
I don't understand why it's assumed there's a larger market for Disgaea 3 on PS3 than on PS2. Regardless of whether the PS3 has a niche market: Just about EVERY SINGLE FAN of Disgaea owned a PS2. That means these people would be able to play it on PS2. Many of these fans probably bought a PS3, but I can guarantee it wasn't all of them, because I myself am an example.
Now, obviously there is a market of people who haven't heard of Disgaea up until now, but is there some justification for this market being larger on PS3 vs. PS2? Simply because of the comparative sizes of groups of people, it would almost certainly be larger on the older console. Furthermore, did Disgaea 2 sell much better than one? I honestly don't know, but never really got that impression - therefore, why would a series that largely remains unchanged garner a larger audience, even as it's outward appeal grows more outdated by the year?
The "niche" market is almost exclusively people that have been gamers for years, so likely they'll fall into the former, not the latter group. If the PS3 has a niche market, PS2 only has a larger one.
So let's sum the two numbers: people that already like Disgaea, and people that are just learning about it. Both groups are likely greater on PS2. Don't get me wrong - I'm glad NIS is continuing to produce Disgaea games, and I'm just as happy as the next man to see a good game on the PS3, because when I inevitably buy one this year or the next, it's one more game to make it worth it. I just have yet to see any justification for this game being on the PS3, when NIS obviously has nothing against developing for PS2.
And I am thoroughly tired of typing the letters "PS".
Noshino @ Aug 17th 2008 10:43PM
Yourself, first of all, let me apologize for my first response, but I ll defend NIS to the end.
Now back to the subject, there are many reasons as why Disgaea should be on the PS3.
See, the fans of the series that followed the series on the PS2 do know that it is now on the PS3, for those that do not have one, it automatically becomes a reason for them to own one, that way NIS asures that their fans are moving to the next console
"Now, obviously there is a market of people who haven't heard of Disgaea up until now, but is there some justification for this market being larger on PS3 vs. PS2?"
Yes, but you see, there is an advantage to releasing Disgaea on the PS3, the console is lacking on the RPGs department, so it is good to release a game at the console's early stage plus of a not-so-crowded genre, on top of that, it still a quality title unlike many other's first next gen titles.
Also, count in the fact that they needed to move to next gen console development sooner or later, so if you count in what I mentioned above, doesn't it make sense?
Yourself @ Aug 17th 2008 11:28PM
No need to apologize, this is after all the internet. If I was to take offense, it would be me out of bounds, not you.
I'm not upset that Disgaea has moved to PS3, and surely it was time to move on. I just wish that was reflected in the game, and as it's not, I can't understand the choice to move to PS3.
Nonetheless, as you stated, the PS3 itself obviously has a lot more to gain from Disgaea 3's presence than does the PS2, and in that regard, Sony is the real winner here. As someone that is console neutral, that means very little to me - I'd rather see a small developer profit than the larger corporation, and I can't help but wonder whether Sony had a "guiding hand" in their choice to go current-gen.
Yourself @ Aug 17th 2008 11:32PM
I shouldn't say I "can't understand the choice", you made a valid point about a sparse market. I should rather say I don't agree with the choice, as I find it somewhat disrespectful to fans.
Noshino @ Aug 18th 2008 12:12AM
heh, they both had a lot to gain.
Sony:
- Disgaea franchise to the PS3
- A new quality RPG
NIS:
- First "next gen" game
- Game going to have move attention since there aren't that many RPGs
- There aren't that many games in general, so it would even gather more attention (even more so in Japan)
and IMO one of the most important things, since Sony is sooo lacking that kind of games (RPGs and games that appeals to the japanese crowd), they will be backing up the game, most likely also including a strong ad campaign, that is something that I would count as a huge pro to putting the title for the PS3
Just like you, I support smaller developers most of the time, not blindly though, and this decision by NIS does make sense
Llama_egg @ Aug 17th 2008 3:37PM
'Tis a shame to hear about the sprites, though in the end not terribly surprising. Oh well, if the gameplay as addictive as they have been in the past game, it will more then make up for it!
zkey14 @ Aug 17th 2008 3:42PM
"What year are we living in?" - Mike Patton, while playing Disgaea 3
uranutan3 @ Aug 17th 2008 6:37PM
wolfmother sucks
mietha CAG @ Aug 19th 2008 2:41PM
Ok, I'm lost here. Mike Patton fronted many bands, none of which were Wolfmother...
Mr Khan @ Aug 17th 2008 3:43PM
I still don't see why for PS3, though, unless they just want to keep it in the PS family for branding purposes, which is understandable
Otherwise, it would seem more targeted for Wii technologically. Standard sprites for a console with quite a bit more RAM than the PS2
LaughingTarget @ Aug 17th 2008 4:09PM
The game was started before the PS3 hit the markets, back when it was assumed to be the runaway success of this generation. Can't exactly just stop development on one platform and switch to another, especially when dealing with a smaller development house like NIS.
NIS made a bet, the bet being the PS2 would quickly wither and the PS3 rapidly taking the crown, a bet that didn't pan out.
atrimus @ Aug 17th 2008 4:53PM
@Laughing Target
so, you're saying NIS based their development process on the THEORY that 100+ million PS2 gamers didn't matter because the $600 PS3 MIGHT eclipse 100+ million after being on the market for a mere 2 years?
as for the Wii, well, as long as they make it for the PS3 then i don't care where they port it to. i know that personally, my Wii would be the last system i'd purchase Disgaea for.
LaughingTarget @ Aug 17th 2008 5:37PM
That was the prevailing theory two years ago by most major developers, the gaming media and Sony themselves, so, yes, I do believe that was their thought process.
Plus, Disgaea was never a sales powerhouse, they target a very niche gaming market which tends to actually purchase the latest and greatest.
elmer @ Aug 17th 2008 5:40PM
What here couldn't be ported to another platform quickly?
360, PC, Wii, PS2, PSP and DS all make pretty good potential targets.
I'd get it for the Wii because I didn't have $600 two years ago, I still don't have a spare $400 and I heard it's good. I'm sure this goes for a lot of other potential customers.
Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Aug 17th 2008 5:49PM
You know, I wish I knew where this concept of "NIS is abandoning their PS2 users" is coming from. Since the launch of the PS3, NIS has released 8 games on PS2 and they promised at least three more past Ar Tonelica 2. I can see the complaint that Disgaea 3 is on PS3, I can't see the complaint that somehow they've abandoned hardware they are supporting beyond even the console maker.
LaughingTarget @ Aug 17th 2008 5:56PM
The problem with this generation is that there is no quick port. Even major developers are complaining about it. The PS3 and 360 are too different for a small development studio to handle a port job economically. This is more true if that small studio sunk a considerable amount of effort into learning the ins and outs of their target platform. It isn't a simple matter of effort, there need to be entire new teams to get a game working on a different platform and I doubt NIS has that kind of money.
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Red_Robot @ Aug 17th 2008 4:33PM
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@ Vandor
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Duke @ Aug 18th 2008 11:29AM
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Muhammad Sabeeh Ali @ Aug 17th 2008 5:29PM
It costs the same as a new PS2 game so I DON'T care
Twist @ Aug 17th 2008 4:35PM
I wish they would bring this game to the Xbox 360. It is pretty much the only PS3 exclusive I even almost care about at the moment and it is definitely not a system seller.
Red_Robot @ Aug 17th 2008 4:38PM
I get what you're saying, it's a niche title.
but it's from a niche developer, too.
They probably don't have a huge development budget.
I'm sure that if it sells well enough (particularly in America) it wouldn't be crazy to expect a port to the 360.
browntown @ Aug 17th 2008 6:45PM
I hear this alot, i wish this game was on the ps3, jus tbuy a ps3 then.
mandark @ Aug 17th 2008 4:38PM
Great DS graphics ! Ehh... wait... its for PS3 !?
Seriosly PS3 ???
Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Aug 17th 2008 5:51PM
If DS could look like THAT, I wouldn't dread the words "3D DS game" everytime they are uttered... cute try though, Simple Jack.
Vegeta (aka Ska Oreo) @ Aug 17th 2008 6:26PM
YOU MAH MAH MAKE ME HAP HAPPY!!
Sheppy (of the Fidlious Clan of Wong) @ Aug 17th 2008 6:52PM
YOU SIMPLE JACK, YOU DO MOVIE... OR DIE!
Waqman @ Aug 17th 2008 7:53PM
I can't believe I haven't seen that movie yet. Definitely checking it out this week.
Erik Stroud @ Aug 17th 2008 9:50PM
"You mah mah make mai pee pee maker fuh feel tingly!" That was my favorite thing simple jack says. Though, it wasn't in the movie, on the uncut trailer.
Superstar90 @ Aug 17th 2008 4:43PM
I'm sad that it isn't for PS2 :( I played both of those games, the PSP game and I'm getting the DS game when it comes out... this series is so awesome that it's worth playing the same game 3 times.
The_Punisher @ Aug 17th 2008 4:47PM
Why did you change the image?
(yes, i am loser enough to notice)
doc j @ Aug 17th 2008 5:30PM
This is the best Disgaea yet. If you're playing it for the graphics, then you should get a different game.
That said, it would be sweet to see some higher res sprites in the future, but definitely not a deal breaker for me. Loving it.
Spirit @ Aug 17th 2008 5:58PM
Its a real shame this is coming out for PS3. I've been playing my PS2 more than anything recently, and I'm a big fan of the NIS SRPGS, although I never got very far at all into Soul Nomad.
I can't wait till Tales of Vesperia... and after that I still have many RPGs yet to play. Is Persona 3 as good as it is hyped up to be?
Chris @ Aug 17th 2008 6:23PM
It's not as good as Nocturne or Digital Devil Saga. It's OK though. I think a lot of people liked it because it's essentially a dating simulator in a Japanese high school with a mediocre RPG tacked on to the side.
Spirit @ Aug 17th 2008 6:01PM
I really wish this was coming out for the PS2. I'm a big fan of NIS SRPGS (although I never got very far into Soul Nomad.. just didn't get it fully, stupid me)
I still have a large amount of RPGs yet to play though, so I guess I shouldn't worry. Vesperia is coming out soon, which I'm psyched for. I haven't played Persona 3 yet either... is that really as good as everyone says it is?
Lobster @ Aug 17th 2008 6:02PM
I wish SO HARD that this was on the PS2, but it's not. ;_; I love Disgaea with all my little heart. Looks like I'll need to play 3 the same way I played 1... by waiting until the console was dirt cheap before buying one.
chronomaster.k @ Aug 18th 2008 1:12PM
I'm seriously disappointed in the fact that the sprites are not high-res. I mean, Arcana Heart can clearly pull off high res sprites on a PS2. It seems unreasonable that it can't, rather, it wasn't done on the PS3.
Ayrkain @ Aug 17th 2008 7:24PM
Pre-ordered (No. 1 Honors Student) and I'm glad I did early. The pre-orders through Rosenqueen sold out pretty fast.
Trickob @ Aug 17th 2008 7:38PM
I'm glad this isn't coming to the PS2 because I've been playing Disgea AoD for PSP since Christmas and that game is driving me CRAZY with all the customization you can do. I would definitely label the Item World as "infamous"...
Trickob @ Aug 17th 2008 7:45PM
to finish that thought, I don't have a PS3 which is why I'm glad Disgaea 3 is coming to that so that I won't drive myself crazy playing it... yeah...