Rumor: $199 Xbox 360 Arcade with motion controller

Exactly. Because the instant casual gamers infect an environment, every publisher realizes that hardcore money is no longer worth the paper its printed on, and they immediately cancel Fallout 3, Fable 2, and Splinter Cell: Conviction

No one will miss you.

Wow, talk about overthinking something.

Do you REALLY think people are passing on buying a 360 because they're confused as to whether or not its imaginary "image" is that of hardcore gamers or a media center?

Yes, the people that already have an Xbox360 or know already they are getting an Xbox360 don't care (obviously they just wanted the Xbox360).

I'm talking about new buyers. The market Xbox360 is trying to target (Nintendo's market) doesn't seem to be the market that enjoys having overly complicated hardware options.

example: casual market customer goes in, sees a nice white box with the blue writing Wii on it... easy enough, wow it even comes with a game.
now same customer moves over to the Xbox360 department, sees 3 different boxes, needs a road map as to why he needs a hard drive, or doesn't, what games will work on it, or won't, why the 120G hard drive is better than the 60G hard drive, etc...

It's hard to think about these things, as 99% of people that come to this website know a lot about videogames, so the idea as to why a 120gig hdd is better than a 60gig is obvious... but to the casual market, it's just an added nuance that they would rather do without.

That's my opinion, I'm not saying it's fact.

"The only 2 consoles of this generation that have stayed true to their roots are the Wii and PS3... "

So??? Things that don't evolve tend to go extinct. (cf. Dinosaurs)

you're absolutely right chukz, the majority of consumers who are interested in games in the slightest don't know anything. It takes a geek squad representative's advice for them to figure out which is bigger, 120gb or 60gb. And who even knows what games are played on which systems. it's so hard to see the games sitting next to the console in behind those big glass doors.

"you're absolutely right chukz, the majority of consumers who are interested in games in the slightest don't know anything. It takes a geek squad representative's advice for them to figure out which is bigger, 120gb or 60gb. And who even knows what games are played on which systems. it's so hard to see the games sitting next to the console in behind those big glass doors."

My sarcasm meter is reading MAX, so I will have to explain what I wrote.

First, anyone with a grade 3 education will tell you 120 is bigger than 60, that's NOT the problem, the problem is telling Casual Shopper Mom that this new Xbox360 system is only $199... then she sees a 60gig hard drive and asks why the $199 doesn't have it, so the aforementioned GeekSquad rep will tell her that she can do more with the 60gig hard drive, then she asks about the 120, "do i really need 120gig instead of 60? I came in not knowing it came with a hard drive at all... billy didn't tell me which one to buy" etc... that's is probably the way it goes... Mom knows 120 is bigger than 60, but now the GeekSquad has to chime in on WHY they think she should spend the extra money to buy it, if it's even worth it, or what.

The 2nd point about the games is another obvious one. Yeah she will see RARE's minigame fest, but when she wants more, she probably won't be looking for Halo or GTA IV as a replacement. She can READ that they are for Xbox360, but she may not be that interested in the Xbox360 Arcade, if for an extra $50 she can get a system where the majority of the games are minigames. That's what I meant by that.

I hope this clears it up. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion. Again this is only my opinion, I don't treat this as fact. The reason I chose a "she" character is because that is the target the Wii seems to be going for that Xbox wants to target as well (casual market, non-gamers, etc...).

That really makes no sense.. If a mom walked in and asked for a PS3.. she would be offered with what? 5 SKU's? That's over the top.. and she would be confused out of her mind.. Especially if like 2-3 of the SKU's are priced relatively close to each other.

its more about RROD, that people doubt about getting a 360, plus playing for online its not good.

How would microsoft win others.

1- Add waggle
2- Lower the price (more emphasis in hard drive and wireless)
3- Fix RROD
4- Improve the crappy dpad
5- Put xbox Live for free

The rate at which Rare games are referred to as 'high quality' typically drops significantly once they reach the market.

PS3 didn't care about online? Even the PS2 had internet play before the Xbox. Dreamcast too. Don't try to pretend Microsoft invented internet play. You want to say MS did it better, that's fine, but to say we would still be playing alone without MS is ridiculous.

motion.

You mean "heatsink"?

I am not someone who would claim that the Wii has no good games.
However, your definition of good must be wider than my own. This list feels a bit... padded.
Wii Play? Link's Crossbow Training? Honestly.
That aside, your 'list wars' style post adds nothing to the discussion about the rumored Xbox 360 motion controller that this article addresses.