Kojima tired of questions about MGS4 on Xbox 360

Maybe if people keep asking him he will eventually decide to announce that a damn port is coming out though and make everyone happy.

Just the fact that he is asked constantly seems like it must be a pretty important issue amongst gamers, maybe he will recognize that.

Although...if the question does not have an answer..then what's the problem.

I think he brought it on himself if you think about it, most people knew it wasn't coming to the 360 but after he made that statement that it was too expensive and the PS3 install base was too small and may be he had to make some steps (can't remember the quote) but everyone went ape shit after it.

"It was relevant a year ago - now it's just beating a dead horse. The game has come and gone. Who cares?"

Marty-

The majority of 360 only owners seem to care an awful lot. I am certainly glad that this game will stay exclusive for the PS3. Reason being is that without exclusives there is no point in having multiple consoles. However, there is also a big part of me that wished everyone could get an chance to play this masterpiece of a game.

The main reasons this topic has relevance is because of the FF megaton going multi-platform, it was recently released and the fact it is one of the best games ever made (otherwise no one would care). Kojima has really answered this question time and time again. It's time to let it go.

It seems this is one exclusive Microsoft can't buy.

I don't think you speak for the majority of 360 owners at all. Not that the random user and his friends always reflect the will of the majority, but I am not interested in the game in the least, and neither is anyone I know who doesn't own a PS3. I believe MGS4 was a good game, but I have my doubts about it going down as one of the best games of all time, and like I said, I think the issue of porting it to the 360 is dead.

I don't blame you for being glad it's an exclusive - the PS3 has too few exclusives (at least, too few that matter). But I hope that you don't forget your glee when other exclusive games come out for other systems, and the owners of those systems share your feelings of contentment.

@Marty

Likewise I doubt you speak for the majority of 360 owners. Your anecdotal evidence is also irrelevant. Without any scientific data I would think it's pretty safe to assume that over 50% of 360 only owners would want MGS 4.

I have all 3 of the consoles so exclusives don't bother me none - like retarded kids throwing ice cubes at the sun.

I agree the porting issue is dead as dead can be. it has always been dead but the majority of 360 only owners have kept that hope alive because they want the game.

As far as whether or not it is one of the best of all time -- well that will always be a matter of taste and opinion. However, the game has critical acclaim and universal appeal in all regions. I think that cements it as one of the best ever not to mention the online component. Everything else really fails in compairison especially when it comes to scope and execution. Dyack shoud take note.

Being that you have never really embraced the PS3 I expect nothing less from you than a back handed compliment about a lack of important exclusives. Its simply par for the course.

it's all just a matter of opinion. No problems here.

"Without any scientific data I would think it's pretty safe to assume that over 50% of 360 only owners would want MGS 4."

Without any scientific evidence, I don't think you can say either way, actually. Why would you assume that over 50% of Xbox 360 owners care about a game that isn't on their system, when only a small portion of those people even know about games on XBox Live Arcade? I don't buy it.

"As far as whether or not it is one of the best of all time -- well that will always be a matter of taste and opinion. However, the game has critical acclaim and universal appeal in all regions."

GTA4 achieved similar acclaim, but many fans now seem to be having second thoughts about how great they thought that game was. I think a similar fate is bound for many of the so-called "AAA" titles that receive perfect scores, especially once a few months have passed and the it's-finally-here euphoria wears off.

"Being that you have never really embraced the PS3 I expect nothing less from you than a back handed compliment about a lack of important exclusives. Its simply par for the course."

To say that the PS3 has a lack of important exclusives isn't back-handed at all - it's being realistic. You may say what you will, but one does not need to own every gaming system ever created just to have his opinion validated. I never owned a PS2, but I recognize it was a golden success.

"To say that the PS3 has a lack of important exclusives isn't back-handed at all - it's being realistic. You may say what you will, but one does not need to own every gaming system ever created just to have his opinion validated. I never owned a PS2, but I recognize it was a golden success."

I never said anything like that. Don't spin the facts Marty. From what I have seen more often than not you are a very harsh critic of all things from the PS3. It is simply an observation from reading your comments. It is not suprising to see you question the validity of a game like MGS 4 sitting at the top of best games of all time.

I am going out on a limb here but I will assume that you never played MGS 4 all the way through or even beyond a sitting or two.

How many of the other PS3 exclusives have you actually given a chance?

"Without any scientific evidence, I don't think you can say either way, actually. Why would you assume that over 50% of Xbox 360 owners care about a game that isn't on their system, when only a small portion of those people even know about games on XBox Live Arcade? I don't buy it"

I would assume that the majority of 360 only owners want MGS 4 because this rumor has persisted. This rumor was grabbed from thin air by those same users I speak of. In any case, it's equally flawed thinking for you to deny it as it would be for me to buy it. You can't have it both ways. We will agree to disagree. But, i do think its safe to assume a great number of 360 only owners want this game.

"GTA4 achieved similar acclaim, but many fans now seem to be having second thoughts about how great they thought that game was. I think a similar fate is bound for many of the so-called "AAA" titles that receive perfect scores, especially once a few months have passed and the it's-finally-here euphoria wears off."

When you say "many fans" you are really just making another blanket generalization. How many fans? What is the percentage of people who do not think that? you see thats not a valid point. You probably heard people here on joystiq saying it was not that great and now you are saying "many" fans represent the greater populus. There are many people that simply hate things that are popular.

Besides that if the reviewer is not changing the score it is meaningless. The "fans" did not write the reviews. If they made a determination on how great GTA IV was before finishing it that is a mistake on their part. It does not mean the game was bad. it simply means they made a premature decision.

Have you heard people saying the same of MGS 4? It appears that you are simply trying to make a connection between the two because they were acclaimed. So from that we can say that every game that has recieved a high score is overrated and not good. Thats dumb. Two different products = two different circumstances. Don't make stuff up out of thin air to suite your argument.

Every situation is unique. Universal truth is not measure in mass appeal but when a game has mass appeal combined with critical acclaim there is no denying that is belongs at the top as one of the best. It use to ne that these games were few and far between. Now, we have more of these games because of the budgets, hardware available and the talented peopl in the industry. We can't discount a game based off some pseudo anecdotal evidence.

We will just have to agree to disagree. We can agree that the talk of a port is dead. I think it never existed where it not for hopeful fanboys which is what I base my argument off of which is a majority of owners wanting the game. The demand comes from somewhere.

SORRY FOR THE HUGE TEXT WALL EVERYONE. I AM VERY VERY SORRY.

"I am certainly glad that this game will stay exclusive for the PS3. Reason being is that without exclusives there is no point in having multiple consoles."

That's just absurd. You're absolutely right that without exclusives there's very little reason to get multiple consoles, but that's exactly why exclusives are a *BAD* thing. "Gee, I want to blow MORE money!"

I swear, sometimes I get the impression that half of the gamers out there would be thrilled by the idea of buying a separate $300+ system for every single game they play.

Oh my god, stop talking!

Stop making sense!

@self: Stop making obscure pop-culture references!

@self: Stop making self-referential meta-jokes!

Yeah stop making "veiled" stabs and stfu.

I you play this game with a decent setup (HD screen and 5.1 sound) it is an audiovisual treat unlike any other. The sheer size and attention to detail in every little corner blows my mind. MGS4 imho is a fucken experience of such quality which we probably won't see anymore this generation.

Of course, this is all contingent on the fact of you liking Kojima's style AND having played all the previous MGS games (you won't really get it otherwise since there's so much fan service/references).

If you don't care for the game, then fine, but stop trying to make it appear as if no one other than PS3 owners care about this game or that it's not among the greatest games of this year.

@Immortal

"I would assume that the majority of 360 only owners want MGS 4 because this rumor has persisted. This rumor was grabbed from thin air by those same users I speak of. In any case, it's equally flawed thinking for you to deny it as it would be for me to buy it. You can't have it both ways. We will agree to disagree. But, i do think its safe to assume a great number of 360 only owners want this game."

"Don't make stuff up out of thin air to suite your argument."

'nuff said.

@Abscissa

The amount of stupid going around today is giving me a headache. Let me go ahead and tell you why your using flawed logic.

Exclusives make a system worth buying. This gives a developer the ability to actually play to the consoles strength instead of simply having parity so the versions are equal. Other than the extra features these consoles offer ,which are all very different, the exclusives are what set them apart.

There is noting wrong with owning 1 console. There is also nothing wrong with owning all 3. The fact we have 3 competitors pushing the industry forward by always outdoing each other is a much better industry than a 1 console industry that becomes stale and convoluted. If you want 1 system for all your games build a nice PC rig. Otherwise, exclusives are what make systems distinctly different.


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@Marty

Agreed.

Yeah, but you see a lot of us(and me) don't give a shit about the game, but are pissed off with Kojima's bullshit about how "port may not be possible."

Hideo,MGS4 port is anything but "not possible".Just learn how to compress your bloody lossless orchestra and 1540ipb cut-scenes and I bet you won't have a single problem fitting the game on a SINGLE DVD DISC.

Oh and [+1] for MGO. Do want it.

I'm rather certain the reason for the size of the game is the number of unique textures that are used. There are so many surfaces in the game that you see once in a particular place and never again. Not only that, to accomodate the level-of-detail technologies they use, there are multiple versions of the same texture, including the ultra high quality one they use when you go to the camo menu, where every single texture is normal mapped.

Yes, the loseless audio probably takes a good amount of space (but no more being 7.1 surround than if it was mono, actually), but the cutscenes are almost all real-time (with the exception of the end of the Eastern Europe act and one more I noticed but can't remember) so they should take little extra space.

I still tend to think it technically could be ported, since the acts format lends itself well to a multi-disc format, but if Kojima himself has sound multiple times that it can't be done, hell, wouldn't you trust his knowledge on this one more than yours and mine?

"but if Kojima himself has sound multiple times that it can't be done, hell, wouldn't you trust his knowledge on this one more than yours and mine?"


Exactly. Kojima knows better than all of us. there is no reason to thing it is not technically possible. The fact of the matter is that the game can not be ported in its current state without a tremendous amount of work. Kojima does not want to make crappy ports that are full of bugs. That is actually an admirable quality. It's not just about the money but also about his vision of his masterpiece. If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.

I'm sorry, but all he has to do is say "It will not happen". The phrase "May not be possible" sounds like they are looking into that possibility.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it is coming, but if he doesn't want questions he needs to catagorically state that it isn't.

@jakka. With the exception of the short live action ads, the cut scenes in MGS4 is actually real time.

I'd rather play my PS2 games in HD, thanks.

Also, I don't watch football. So by your impeccable logic nobody watches football, and therefore people should just stop playing it.

you're not playing your PS2 games in HD. PS3 w/ BC just upconverts the 480i res to your HDTV res. if u attach your PS2 to your HDTV, your HDTV is gonna do the same thing as well.

and i only tried to point out that, since 140 million PS2 units are out there, chances are you already have access to a PS2 so dont let the lack of PS2 BC solely stop you from buying a PS3. seriously some people who already own PS2s complain about the PS3 not having BC and base their decision on this factor.

Yup!

Probably lost in the translation. He has pretty much said in every way possible that the game is not coming to the 360.

The game was optimized from the ground up for the PS3. Obviously the game could be ported to the 360. However, given Kojima's affection for uncompressed assetts its safe to assume the game could not be ported to the 360 in it's current state.

The man probably want's a break and is tired of hearing the questions. If it is coming to the 360 it will not be for anytime in the forseeable future and it will not be in the same capacity as the PS3 version.

He can't deny anything, he's not liable to, he doesn't run Konami, Konami runs him, he can say he doesn't want to, but if Konami turns around tommorow and says make a 360 port, he has to, he can quit if he likes, but Konami still owns MGS4.

Although MGS without Kojima is like a human without a personality.

Despite the crass attitude, you've got a degree of a point there.

I mean, I bought the X360 for GEARS OF WAR(and its impending sequel)...

Aside from TF2 lag-issues, I'd gladly take the "screwed up" version than not have the game at all.Let's face it, framerate slowdowns and loading times aren't THAT MUCH of an issue.

As a rule, having a game(no matter what state it is in)>not having a game at all so that's some weak logic you got there.

@Jakka

You are really annoying. Kojima is a perfectionist and does not want to put out a crappy port. So, whether or not if you want a crappy port is irrelevant. If you want the game bad enough go buy a PS3. Otherwise, get over it. It's not happening on the 360.

I admire the guy for not wanting to simply cash in with a crap port.

It's funny that you used sales from Tales of Vesperia to try and make your point, seeing as how that game is just now being released stateside.