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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:34PM (Unverified) said

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We've been through this before, they put the game on the disk multiple times so that the slow blu-ray drives can read the game faster.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:44PM LaughingTarget said

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Probably not the case here. Fully uncompressed audio is a massive resource hog but plays linearly, so repeats aren't necessary when the actual game is likely small. Of course, why put some dude talking into an uncompressed format is beyond me.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:47PM (Unverified) said

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I agree with Laughing Target.

Especially since you could compress it all and reburn it three-four times in order to optimize Blu Ray.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:42PM (Unverified) said

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A full disc means a mandatory install.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:45PM Edge of Blade said

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Again, more non-news. The fact that Sony CAN refuse to compress doesn't mean they should get a pat on the back for neglecting to doing so. This is clearly an attempt at justifying Blu-ray for games.

Look at it this way: why is the audio so important to this game? My not compress it and give us more content to build with? Because Sony has to get bloggers stirred up on how they got LBP to miraculously fill up a Blu-ray.

This is criminally manipulative...

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:12PM (Unverified) said

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if the go! team track is still on there, then yes, the music is that important
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:44PM illiteratePoet said

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Sony may also be doing this as an anti-piracy tactic. If you have a pseudo-slow connection, a 40gb download may be unappealing enough to get you to just buy the game (or not).
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:48PM Dirty said

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Things I learned today.

People who will vote you down when you talk trash about little big planet.

People will vote you up if you have something clever or downright cute to say about little big planet.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:00PM (Unverified) said

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That's because anything bad people say about it always falls in line with "DURR LBP is stupid and overrated"
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:28PM (Unverified) said

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If you know what's good for you, you won't say anything remotely negative about BioShock either.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:45PM jhowlett said

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what i have yet to figure out is if people dislike the game so much and others strongly disagree why do they keep trying to "press the issue" as a radio host use to say.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 4:53PM (Unverified) said

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how in the fuck does a platformer take up 40 gigs?

I have every harry potter audio book narrated by stephen fry, and they don't take up 40 gigs, so don't tell me it's narration. heheh.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:10PM Vidikron said

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Probably narration in multiple languages.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:43PM Hyams said

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Narration PLUS video together take up a lot of room.

Plus all the textures and stuff on there (and there's freakin' loads of them, so that people can make a variaty of levels) take up a fair bit of room too.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 7:08PM In A World said

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I didn't even know HP was narrated by anyone other than Jim Dale. I shall have to listen to the Stephen Fry version and decide which one I like better.
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Posted: Sep 11th 2008 8:49AM foxhound said

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If it's Stephen Fry narrating, then he can take up all the blu-ray disc needed for all I care, LoL. At least knowing he's on there ensure the game will be at least amusing, if anything else.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:02PM (Unverified) said

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Alex Evans=Sony?

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:14PM Dirty said

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Keep your filthy politics out of my game site!

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:21PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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Are we really going to bring politics in here? I mean really?

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:41PM Hyams said

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It's not JUST the tutorial narration and videos that's taking up all that room.

After all, they also say:

"So we have a huge library of thousands of different objects, and they're not just textures - we worry about the bump-mapping and the specular... all the HD, next-gen stuff happens and it's sitting there on the Blu-ray for you to use without having to worry about it. And that's really how we're using the space up."

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 6:23PM (Unverified) said

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heh heh. You think people actually read the original article?
Of course not! The nice ity bity out of context chunks are what most people seem to read here.

He makes an interesting (and diplomatic) point when asked if it could be done on the Xbox 360. In fact I'm surprised Joystiq didn't run a sensational "LBP couldn't be done on the Xbox 360" article. Maybe they didn't read the interview either :)
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 6:57PM (Unverified) said

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I think a lot of people here actually read the linked articles. I say this because there seems to have been a distinct lack on completely outrageous statements recently.

Although, it could also be that people just learned to stop making completely outrageous statements.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 7:00PM jhowlett said

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d bag of x3f posted the lbp couldn't be done headline and article
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 10:39PM BurntMeatloaf said

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Too bad you have to get it OFF the Blu-ray before it's useful.

What about load times? Will they just make a 5GB install and be done with it? If so, what difference does it make how big the Blu-ray disc is if you're copying stuff to the [smaller than a Blu-ray] hard drive?
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 5:47PM Shagittarius said

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Especially politics coming from a damn dirty dem.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 6:57PM In A World said

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You can put lipstick on a Shagittarius, but it's still a Shagittarius...
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 8:08PM emirabal said

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Either way, this game has me wanting a ps3 before GOW3 is due and thats saying something. As long as gameplay is not affected, who cares

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 9:00PM Bastard11 said

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Compressing audio is not a big deal.. I'm sure the devs are bright enough to figure out that if it had any potential benefit they'd have done it.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 10:35PM BurntMeatloaf said

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You don't understand developers very well, do you?

Ever see a database abstraction layer that was 2MB or a template engine that was 5MB? Developers don't care unless they feel they have to, and they gravitate towards features they don't need rather than the tool that just gets the job done -- just like home users.

Hey, let's not include a built-in syntax parser in our web browser. That's an incredibly useful feature for developers, but it's BLOAT! But, we won't use separate processes for each window, because having all your web apps crash at once like an old copy of MacOS is MUCH better than seeing a small hit in performance!

Just because someone is a professional developer doesn't mean they always have good priorities (and I'm not specifically targeting the LBP people, here).
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 11:05PM Bastard11 said

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Well I should hope that I do understand developers pretty well.. or else I need to see a therapist about my self-disconnect issues.

I get what you are saying but I'm pretty sure you are speaking from experience outside the realm of video game development given your examples.
That isn't to say we're immune to laziness but our priorities tend to be a bit different.

I find a lot of web and app developers tend to assume stability is just supposed to happen.. or in some cases fool themselves into thinking the issue is somehow the fault of the platform and needs to be addressed by someone else entirely.

Contrary to what one might assume with the works of EA's stable and the like floating around out there.. stability, performance, tightening all the nuts and bolts, is a very important process for us.

But hey.. if I'm missing something please tell me.
It really doesn't take much to sort out compression of assets unless we're trying to reinvent the compression wheel so if you can tell me why PS3 titles need it so badly I'd appreciate the heads up.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 11:20PM Bastard11 said

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Well I should hope that I do understand developers pretty well.. or else I need to see a therapist about my self-disconnect issues.

I get what you are saying but I'm pretty sure you are speaking from experience outside the realm of video game development given your examples.
That isn't to say we're immune to laziness but our priorities tend to be a bit different.

I find a lot of web and app developers tend to assume stability is just supposed to happen.. or in some cases fool themselves into thinking the issue is somehow the fault of the platform and needs to be addressed by someone else entirely.

Contrary to what one might assume with the works of EA's stable and the like floating around out there.. stability, performance, tightening all the nuts and bolts, is a very important process for us.

But hey.. if I'm missing something please tell me.
It really doesn't take much to sort out compression of assets unless we're trying to reinvent the compression wheel so if you can tell me why PS3 titles need it so badly I'd appreciate the heads up.
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Posted: Sep 10th 2008 9:19PM Ethan said

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You can make an audio file a tenth of the size and decompressing it really is piss. Why wouldn't you do it? Give the drive a rest.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 10:28PM BurntMeatloaf said

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Is this uncompressed data, or lossless compressed data?

In my Amiga days, games that used compression loaded faster because the CPU was faster than the disk drive. The same is still true today with optical drives, even with a crappy CPU.

The only argument in favor against lossless compression is when you must guarantee that the compressed data set must always be the same size. That's only important for embedded devices.

Why should people care? Well, load times, latency, and install size are always an issue with software.

Posted: Sep 10th 2008 10:44PM (Unverified) said

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.kkrieger is PRE-RENDERED

Posted: Sep 11th 2008 10:33AM Tephlon said

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Care to explain that? I've played it, and the character does what I ask him to do. In REAL TIME.

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