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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 11:18AM (Unverified) said

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Fair enough, though I find it funny how much you're putting down Beastie Boys (though I do agree that they shouldn't be in a music game), considering "Sabotage" was in RB1.

If I was going to ask myself how many of those songs you had heard of, I would answer "ALL OF THEM", just for fun.

If unlocking the songs is that painful, you should probably just use the code to get them all right away.

Anyhow, I know that if I had seen a tracklist that had 4-5 songs I LOVED, 15 songs I thought were OK, and 64 more that I either didn't like or had never heard of, I would probably be wary of picking it up, or at least do some research into the ones I had never heard.

Your idea for 'deleting' songs is a cool one, but then you'd get the people deleting all the hard songs so they can 5 star all the mystery setlists on expert.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 11:38AM (Unverified) said

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Well I haven't known half the sets of all the other games either. It's more about playing the game than loving the music, but when you HATE the music, it sucks.

As for Beastie Boys, I think there are a lot of songs that make sense for these games, but this particular song has almost NO INSTRUMENTATION. It's not Beastie hating, it's just that I wonder if anyone at Harmonix actually played this song through and enjoyed it.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 9:42AM Mistur said

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I dunno but didn't Harmonix say that they didn't want to make a new game every time but make it a platform? Cause I gotta say for $5 transferring all my songs from RB1 to RB2 is quite awesome.

Hmmm I wonder if they are going to have the same type of reviews when there is GH: Metallica, GH: Lenny Kravits, GH: Some other rock person, $60 for some "crappy" addition of songs. Hmmm just me, but Harmonix is the better music game making company.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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Don't blame Harmonix for your shitty taste in music. There are plenty of gems on the disk. Listen to more music man you will be better off.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 10:59AM (Unverified) said

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Sorry Tom that was for the thread above you.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 9:57PM Ender1027 said

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I want Harmonix to fix the drum solo/overdrive situation. The tempo for the drum samples never match up to the tempo of the song so the drum fills always sound terrible. Even if you try to just play time through those sections it still sounds bad. If they could fix this I would truly be impressed by this game.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 9:57AM falcomadol said

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If the next one is a sixty dollar pack of 80 songs with NO new features, I'd be perfectly happy. I've got a couple hundred tracks, they all work. The single player is infinitely better (I can play bass through the whole single player and earn freakin' achievements). I'm entirely happy.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 10:02AM (Unverified) said

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Ok Rock Band 2 comes out and everyone says It's the same game with a couple new features that you don't see with a few new songs.

You know what Guitar Hero has been doing the same ever since they started. It looks exactly the same with new songs and still the crappy looking graphics that look like they belong in PS1. Even the new GHWT game looks like the same crappy looking graphics, looking like a 8 year old designed them. And they steal the idea of adding other instruments into the game and say they are the first game to have a full band experience. And now GHWT has to copy 16 song from RB2.

To me when I here people complaining about RB2 not being anything new, and they are blind to see that GH never changed all these years.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 10:08AM TRTX said

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I can live with RB2 as an "expansion pack". Considering it's 84 songs for $60. (Plus another 20 freebies coming down the pipe later)

You don't even get that kind of value out of the DLC in the Music Store.

As far as playing old songs go, I won't be exporting for a while (DLC looks to be heating up with the recent albums annouced), so it's currently my DLC and the new RB2 songs. And I've found there to be a healthy mix of the 2 when playing through the game. (I only buy songs I like, so it balances out the RB2 songs that aren't my faves)

It was the same thing in RB1. The earlier stuff got tiring, but once I got to through the first few sets on each instrument the songs picked up in quality fast.

For me, the music game genre is only as enjoyable as the chart. A song that I don't like listening to as much can distract me with a fun chart.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 1:44PM (Unverified) said

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"For me, the music game genre is only as enjoyable as the chart. A song that I don't like listening to as much can distract me with a fun chart."

That is incredibly true, especially with drums... which is pretty much all I play now. Guitar is too 'old hat' for me.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 10:12AM darkinchworm said

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This seems weird coming from me, given that I'm an industrial sort of man, but... I kinda like Paramore.

And yeah, I'm braced for the downvoting onslaught.

My display picture for a certain social networking website even has Hayley Williams standing at my side :)

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 12:55PM (Unverified) said

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I like Paramore as well. You are not alone!

That's What You Get and CrushCrush are songs I have an enormous amount of fun on.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 1:41PM (Unverified) said

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At also the cost of getting looked down upon (then again I don't think people can think less of me than they do now,) but I also like Paramore.

I went with this chick to see them live in concert with a few other 'meh' bands. They did a cover of "Faces in Disguise" by Sunny Day Real Estate that was pretty good.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 4:47PM Jinn35 said

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You are not alone, I also love Paramore and would love a full album download of Riot! for Rock Band.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 10:54AM Vcize said

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The only reason RB2 doesn't get absolutely lambasted on this site is because most joystiq readers are huge fans of the original.

Maybe now you'll get it. People who are huge, hardcore fans of a game don't want the wheel reinvented in a sequel. More of the same, with some new content and features.

But, when a game that they're not a huge fan of is similar to its predecessor (and much less similar than RB2 is to RB1 even) they go nuts on it. OMG it's basically Halo 2.5/R6V1.5/Madden roster update/etc, etc. Then, RB1.1 (not even enough new in this one to call it 1.5) comes along and it's "more of the same please, I liked the first one so I don't want it reinvented".

FWIW, I have no problem with RB2 being so similar to RB1. I'm just hoping that this will help some of these joystiq readers "get it" and realize that a sequel to a well received game should not be reinvented, as that only alienates its fans. If RB2 played totally different than RB1 then far more RB1 fans would be pissed off than those that think it's too similar. The same goes for Halo, Gears, Resistance, as well as RPGs, beat 'em ups, etc. New maps, weapons, game modes, etc instead of new songs to play.

So the next time I see "OMG I can't believe they're charging 60 bucks for an update" I'll just point here, since inevitably if that person is posting on Joystiq they're probably a pretty big fan of RB2.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 11:26AM therpham said

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Adding to your point there, music games need to be considered slightly separately from other genres. Games like Halo and Call of Duty should have large, appreciable improvements between sequels. Music games, having already set themselves in a gameplay formula that requires specific hardware, cannot change the _core_ of the gameplay really at all, and are limited to adding songs, modes, and interface features.

Additionally, before we had this wonderful world of DLC, did anyone complain that there were hardly any changes from Guitar Hero to Guitar Hero 2? I'm sure a few who didn't get it did, but it didn't stop GH2 from being great. The same goes for Rock Band 2.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 2:31PM Vcize said

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I wouldn't say that music games should be looked at seperately at all. Other genres are bound to the same controller as their predecessor as well.

There are a lot more ways to distribute a note chart than a scrolling rectangle of rectangle notes. And there is TONS of room out there for all kinds of new features, big and small. Even little stuff like the way Rock Band added the freestyle sections, sectioned off solos, etc. There's not even little tiny things like that added to RB2, which even the most rush sequels have tons of.

RB2 is, without a doubt, the most similar game to its predecessor I've ever seen.

Again, that doesn't bother me. It just brings out the hypocrits because I am seeing a lot of the exact same names in here saying "it's fine", "if it ain't broke, don't fix it", and "I like the game the way it is, so why would I want it to change?" as those that go into Halo/Gears/Madden/etc threads and say "OMG it's kind of similar to the last game what moron spends 60 bucks on something that's not that different lolololololol?!?!?!".
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 11:22AM therpham said

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I am more than happy to have spent $60 on this game. I like a lot of the new songs (even songs I didn't think I liked at all before I played them), the "minor" improvements to the tour completely fix pretty much every complaint I had before, and I don't care about the singing because, frankly, no one has the balls to ever sing.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 11:42AM zoltek said

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i dont know how anyone can give a bad review to rock band two when youre getting 100 songs for 60 bucks. no matter whats different or not, its better then the original and has cheap songs.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 12:39PM (Unverified) said

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Exactly. It fixes near every gripe about the original and has cheap songs. If people would put aside their built-in preconceptions about what a sequel "should" be, they'd see that it's nothing more than a really good deal.
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Posted: Sep 17th 2008 1:38PM (Unverified) said

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I'm enjoying RB2 so far, but of course no game is perfect.

I need to transfer over my RB1 songs to RB2 still, but I'm pretty pissed that Enter Sandman won't transfer. Oh well.

We definitely need a keytar add on.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 6:03PM (Unverified) said

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I am also disappointed with Rock Band 2. I had hoped for some real enhancements. The songs are great, but it is more of an expansion pack. What's with having a male singer for the Alanis Morrisette track? Wierd.

Posted: Sep 17th 2008 7:23PM mietha said

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If that was the only information I had on the game, at all, I still would have bought it. The game is exactly what I wanted it to be. Yes, they are problems, and hopefully they will be fixed, but I didn't WANT a new experience. I wanted 84 new song and 50 achievements for the low, low price of $60, and that's what I got. Tour challenges and Battle of the Bands are new however, and pretty damn cool. There DOES need to be a place to play individual songs, not from RB 2, that is not quickplay and still gives money to your character. You can't choose a character to use in quickplay.

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