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Posted: Oct 11th 2008 3:58PM sinergy said

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"have to?" Well, Blizzard, guess what? I don't "have to" buy your games.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:01PM (Unverified) said

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By the time EA and activision are done with the PC game industry, Dell will just ship their new computers with uTorrent installed and desktop links to warez sites.

Wait, that's what I said yesterday about the Starcraft 2 "trilogy." Is there an echo in here?

There'd better be much less to these little news nuggets than meets the eye. Blizzard should keep in mind that its fanbase is a lot more computer literate than the average audience for Spore. Hint, hint.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:19PM Autopsy15 said

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Holy crap, Brian, you're some massive degree of tool. No other game of this type, outside of XBOX Live, charges money for online play. It just flat out doesn't. You don't do that. Stop acting like they deserve money just because. You're practically throwing up the air about yourself that's like "Infact, you should be GRATEFUL they let you pay!"

People should be angry. It's the RIGHT thing to be. It's a change up, an irregular change up that is direct contradiction to everything it's market holds true.

No but saying it 3 times does.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:20PM Tez said

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You people are jumping on this and the Starcraft thing way too early. We know nothing about the pricing or content/services yet. Chill.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 11:21PM Ignatius said

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If we don't jump on it now, Blizzard could have the luxury of charging $50 for each StarCraft campaign.

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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 3:48PM Tez said

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lol, common sense gets voted down. you guys are killing joystiq. also, jesus.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:21PM Mr Khan said

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Activision's influence or not, i'm sure Blizzard saw the benefits of nickle-and-diming, even if the core of the Battle.net experience remains free

The future doesn't always bring good things.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:33PM CaramelZappa said

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I doubt I'll be buying any Blizzard games in the future. I have enough games to play that are FREE to play online to have these assholes nickel and dime me.

IN less than a day they changed me from a day one purchase to someone who isn't even interested.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:51PM cuaguy27 said

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I thought Hellgate: London tried a free/pay style of multiplayer. I don't think that worked there.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 5:49PM (Unverified) said

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Because everyone knows Starcraft is a MMO...
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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 11:10AM Rollins said

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devian, Hellgate wasn't a real MMO either. Honestly, the only difference between its multiplayer and Diablo 2's was that there was a shared graphical lobby between levels instead of a text-based chat before joining a game. Well, that and it was one hell of a lot less fun.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2008 4:53PM (Unverified) said

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Some of the news that came out of BlizzCon has left me so jaded. I've had so much respect for the company up until now, but their decision to not only split SC2 into 3 games AND charge people a possible subscription for a once free b.net is just so disappointing.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 6:02PM (Unverified) said

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Get
a
Job!

Problem solved.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 6:44PM Otimus said

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"BBL, making out with Blizzard, etc etc".


Honestly, that's about the worst defense ever.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 2:03PM (Unverified) said

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From what I can see they haven't really mentioned that Battle.net will be a charge-to-use service. Perhaps they are going to be adding some new content/services to the platform at an OPTIONAL cost?

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 6:45PM HeyApples said

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If they intend to charge, the whole paradigm of the service needs to change.

That place is the refuse of the internet with all the spambots, keyloggers, and illegimate scams people hawk.

Posted: Oct 12th 2008 6:37PM Eamil said

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Aren't they working on battle.net 2.0? We still don't know what that will look like, what kind of features it will have, or anything like that. So yeah, for all we know, the "paradigm of the service" WILL change.

Not directing this next bit at you, apples, but honestly it's fascinating how many people are taking this article as "ZOMG THEY GONA MAKE DA GAMEZ HAVE DA MONTHLY FEES 2 PLAY" despite the very specific statement that "...they do recognize that everyone loves having it as a free service, and they don't have a strong desire to make a subscription-based game."

If they went with a microtransaction plan like, say, DLC for Diablo 3, then I think that would be pretty cool. Or say normal and "premium" battle.net accounts where the normal has the same functions as the current battle.net and the premium service adds a bunch of extra bells and whistles. But far too many people take vague statements with little to no information and run with them, screaming doomsday prophecies the whole way.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 10:29PM HeyApples said

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I think you missed the point of my comment and I can barely respond with all the words you put in my mouth there.

Right now, I can log into battle.net via various games and every ounce of reasonable chat will be drowned out by bots, spammers, and flavor-of-the-week scams/keyloggers.

I can try a matchmaking game, and join up with the hoard of 12 year olds with racial epithets as their user names. I can watch them spout profanity for an entire game with little to no recourse for myself

My point is, if the service wants to hold itself in enough esteem to charge actual money, it radically needs to overhaul the user experience to clamp down on the massive refuse element.
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Posted: Oct 11th 2008 7:27PM spin cycle said

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Remember when it was said that Blizzard was unaffected by the merger with Activision. Turns out that was just a big lie.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 7:42PM falcomadol said

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Don't look now, Blizzard has been Activisionated.

One game? No, let's sell it three times.

Free services? Are you kidding me? Monetize that shit!

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 7:46PM (Unverified) said

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So Activision like consoles so much that they want to kill off PC gaming then?

Thats all i'm getting from todays announcements.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 7:48PM falcomadol said

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Here's the real sticker, people lined up to pay, what? $50 or $100 per person to be the first to hear from Blizzard that they're going to have the heretofore unheralded chance to pay money for the additional two campaigns in Starcraft II and to start paying for something they've been using for a decade for free.

You know, there are ways to say this sort of shit that don't piss people off. For instance, just releasing Starcraft II with only one campaign and then just selling the other ones later as expansion packs. You don't need to give anyone the idea that what you're selling them up front isn't the whole package. That's what pisses people off.

You want to start charging for a service? At least give it a new name! Please!

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 7:52PM falcomadol said

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Maybe Blizzard thinks that they've giving fans their version of the Straight Talk Express, but frankly this is going over more like Two Freight Trains Crashing in the Night.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 8:41PM ThornedVenom said

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Battle.net better be better than Steam and on par with Xbox Live or something... no wait, even better than Xbox Live, and I'd still not be happy.

Posted: Oct 11th 2008 10:40PM (Unverified) said

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This just in!
you actually have to pay for each number and letter in the cd key!

Posted: Oct 12th 2008 1:58PM Dolar said

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After reading a good deal today about the Trilogy thing for starcraft 3, I am less upset than I was at first. It really does makes sense. Its not like Zerg and toss are not going to be int he game from the start, And there will be multiplayer additions with each expansion. Basically getting 3 full games of content. I am thinking more and more this might be really cool.

As for the charging for Bnet, I just don't know. I don't think it would be anything that is pay for play in anyway. I just don't think they are that stupid to try that. I think it would be more like entry fees for tournament ladders with prizes, maybe even something like robust clan control with stats and customized webpages, and maybe even a guild bank for items and gold in Diablo 3. They are not stupid enough to make you pay for what once was free. But charging for little bells and whistles? Why not?

I just think that this little tidbit slipped out, without any other info makes it seem worse than it is at this point. They would serve themselves well tell us exactly what they mean and tell it asap. They saw how Hellgate failed, they are not going to do a repeat.

Posted: Oct 12th 2008 11:51AM Bouillestfu said

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What's the matter blizzard? Is WoW not chinese-farming enough money? You don't NEED extra money!

Posted: Oct 12th 2008 1:10PM (Unverified) said

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Man, I was planning on buying two copies of this on release day. One for me and one for my girlfriend.. but if we're both going to have to pay to play it online.. it probably won't happen. She will enjoy it but I don't know if she'll get enough use out of it to play online.. maybe I'll just play lan with her and pay for online to play with my friends. Or maybe I'll just use Hamachi to play with my friends. It really depends on what battle.net 2.0 is compared to battle.net now.

Posted: Oct 12th 2008 2:59PM (Unverified) said

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So this is how it goes down.. If battle.net will charge a monthly fee for Starcraft II, I'll never ever buy any of the gameparts. I'll probably continue playing Starcraft instead.

This is not f**king WoW, Blizzard, it's going to be the followup to probably the greatest game of all time... And don't tell me you "kinda have to" monetize b.net, how greedy are you?

I've completely lost my respect for Blizzard. Take a good look at yourself as a company, and reflect on how you could have gone from the creators of the greatest game of all time to greedy, moneyhungry fatcats..

Posted: Oct 12th 2008 7:44PM Eamil said

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"He went on to say that they do recognize that everyone loves having it as a free service, and that they don't have a strong desire to make a subscription-based game."

I swear, if I see one more comment like this one I'm just going to snap and start spamming that quote in response to every comment from someone that didn't read the freaking article......
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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 7:56PM (Unverified) said

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Of course I've read the entire article.

How they feel about it won't matter if they do something diffrent... They never had to monetize battle.net, and they don't HAVE to monetize battle.net v2. Charging a monthly fee for a game you also have to buy is ridiculous.

Don't you agree?
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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 8:08PM Eamil said

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I do, but unlike so many people here I'm not starting from the assumption that they will for sure be charging a monthly fee.

There are a lot of ways for them to "monetize" battle.net. Copy/paste below because it's easier than saying the same thing a different way:

If they went with a microtransaction plan like, say, DLC for Diablo 3, then I think that would be pretty cool. Or say normal and "premium" battle.net accounts where the normal has the same functions as the current battle.net and the premium service adds a bunch of extra bells and whistles. But far too many people take vague statements with little to no information and run with them, screaming doomsday prophecies the whole way.
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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 11:26PM cuaguy27 said

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Only so much can be said with such a vague statement from Jay Wilson. Still, there are a lot of good reasons why folks should be upset with this. A few days ago, many of us thought that for $50 we'd get a single player game with full campaigns for all the factions and multiplayer. Instead, here's what we're getting.

The single player game will be divided into three stand alone products. My concerns about cost aside, I think this is a bad way to tell a narrative. Starcraft and Warcraft 3 had great single player narratives because of concise story telling; it had to be, after a few missions you'd be playing a different faction. This current division sounds like we're going to be getting a lot of filler. (Just like WoW).

Blizzard's recent work with WoW has me disgusted with a "monetized" BNet. At best, they'd only offer aesthetic things like "horse armor." At worst, we'd pay;
a monthly fee, or per new map, or for new unit. One strong possibility is that we'd pay for a tournament ladder like WoW Arena. With regard to new features, WoW's voice-chat is awful. The remainder of possible new features can be lumped in with Live Gold: as either something that should have been included already, or has a free (and probably better) alternative. Last in terms of service... I don't expect much from a company that has its paying customers using bit-torrent to deliver patches.



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Posted: Oct 12th 2008 11:17PM (Unverified) said

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Wait, so im going to buy a car, and then pay $15 a month to drive it near anybody else? thats what it sounds like to me

Posted: Oct 13th 2008 2:24AM (Unverified) said

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Having a monthly fee makes it less economically viable for gold sellers to destabalize the in-game economy.

Having a monthly fee is something that I would most definitely pay for Diablo 3 if AND ONLY IF it meant that Diablo 3 would recieve continual content updates (new quests, new items, new monsters, new lands to explore, etc). But ONLY if these updates were released every single month on the first Tuesday of the month. Because the updates for WoW were far too few and far too few between to be worth the money.

Posted: Oct 18th 2008 6:21PM (Unverified) said

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Play Hellgate: London and subscribe.. youll successfully feel like u took money out of ur bank and set it on fire
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Posted: Oct 13th 2008 1:56AM (Unverified) said

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1. Male characters named: Swan, Posh, Horny?
2. Original SC1 unit characterics split up into multiple diffent units.
3. Dumbing down multiplayer skillz by making waaay easy to make units, buildings, etc .
4. 1 RTS cut into 3 games charged at 3x the price.
5. Watered down multiplayer unless you wait and buy all 3 parts.
6. Then charging monthly bnet fees.
7. Using ugly ingame 3d animation instead of CGI movies as a way to save costs and give us lower quality.
8. Hire a command and conquer hack to head SC2.
9. Lie about Activision did not influence to be a penga/verga (doing all of the above).
10. Lie some more telling us that this is for our own good!

Remember SC1? 3 races in 1 game. Bnet free. Constantly tweaking to make perfect balance. Gee, SC1 is the perfect RTS. When you screw with perfection, you only go downhill. With SC2, they reached the bottom.

Solution: Play SC1 instead, Stop playing games and find another hobby, Pirate SC2 to deny Blizzard dirty profit.

Posted: Oct 14th 2008 1:21AM (Unverified) said

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Blizz makes like 900 million/month on wow. Thats enough to pay for the whole company... but then they think... hey wait! If we make 2 new games and then make them pay for them also we wuld get like 2000 millions each month!!! YAAAJ! BECUZ WE R POOR AND NEEDZ MORE MONAYZ FOR OUR FAMILYZ PLZ!!!
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I've played Starcraft since i was about 4years. I remember sitting in my brothers knee thinking "wow, this is the coolest thing ever!" Even until this day i've loved blizz...

And now, i'm playing wow witch means that i got no money to pay for the other games... WAY TO GO BLIZZ!

Fuck of blizz... You've been the best and now the most sucky company evar... greedy bastards.

Posted: Oct 17th 2008 9:04PM (Unverified) said

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What the hell is wrong with you people? Forget WoW, forget what it used to be, THEY ARE PROVIDING A SERVICE. Why is it unreasonable to pay for a service they are providing?

And Psychokitten, sorry to break your little fantasy world, but regardless of how much money they make off WoW, they aren't going to make free games. They're a company. They want to make money. You don't like it, don't play their game. Simple as that.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 11:52PM (Unverified) said

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So they "MIGHT" add charges... oh well I'll live with it, I'm gonna buy the game anyways can't wait for when they finally come out

Posted: Nov 19th 2008 1:30AM (Unverified) said

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Heehee, silly Blizzard-worshiping tools. Dawn of War II and Borderlands are coming out soon, and if they both live up to the claims, I'll be having a grand old time on them instead of Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3. Well, who knows, maybe if they don't bend b.net2 over and molest it, I may hop on Diablo 3.. but with every trailer, SC2 looks more and more like a visual upgrade to SC1 and nothing more that I can't enjoy by perusing a plot synopsis. I have Supreme Commander for actual strategy in my, you know, Real Time Strategy game, and Dawn of War for my up-close-and-personal vicious combat RTS.

Posted: Jan 3rd 2009 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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Blame people downloading games for free. It's their fault that gaming company's have to resort to other ways of earning cash.

Just look at whats happening to EA

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