While the thought of waiting even longer to play LittleBigPlanet is one that causes all our muscles to contract into a tingling ball of anxiety and impatience, ex-Sony Worldwide Studios head Phil Harrison believes the Qur'an-related recall was ultimately for the best. "And on reflection I think it was absolutely the right thing to do, because LittleBigPlanet set out from day one to be a game for the entire world," he told Gamesindustry.biz, "and if there was anything that accidentally detracted from that vision and made the game not fun for the entire world, then the game would have fundamentally failed in its mission."
Of course, altogether avoiding religious tussles tends to save money and face as well. Harrison, who's currently orchestrating Atari's reinvention, believes that the move will ultimately leave the game's long-term sales unscathed, adding that people are sure to "blown away" by it. Gee, thanks for making the wait even worse, Phil.
Reader Comments (83)
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:08PM (Unverified) said
Fuck you...giving in is never the right thing to do.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:10PM Master Bruce said
My sentiments exactly. Way to play off quaking in your boots over fear of Muslim extremists as making the game be one "for the entire world".
I wonder if he draws a lot of flies with all the crap that he's talking.
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I wonder if he draws a lot of flies with all the crap that he's talking.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:16PM (Unverified) said
Religious intolerance is fun, isn't it?
It's what 'Merica was built on.
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It's what 'Merica was built on.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:39PM baby sea tuna said
"'Merica" was built on the concept of freedom from religious oppression. You know, like the kind that Muslim extremists are famous for.
(Though that wasn't exactly the case here, just sayin')
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(Though that wasn't exactly the case here, just sayin')
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:05PM (Unverified) said
Nice level of tolerence in the above posts, don't forget to vote for Hitler/Stalin/McCain next month.
Now I know that political corectness and appeasement can do more harm than good in some cases, but not this one.
whats wrong with showing a bit of compassion towards our fellow inhabitants of this (little big) planet now and then?
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Now I know that political corectness and appeasement can do more harm than good in some cases, but not this one.
whats wrong with showing a bit of compassion towards our fellow inhabitants of this (little big) planet now and then?
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:00PM dkffiv said
@5th hot meal
"Nice level of tolerence in the above posts, don't forget to vote for Hitler/Stalin/McCain next month."
If you honestly believe McCain doesn't love this country you are a fool. People who serve in our military do so because they believe preserving our ideals is more important than their own lives. This doesn't apply only to McCain, it applies to everyone past and present, including John Kerry and the VP's kids (not W. though, he ducked out of his duties).
Even if you don't agree with his policies, you have to at least respect him. You saying McCain is the same as Hitler is just as stupid as someone saying Obama is a terrorist. Both candidates are running because they feel their vision is what America needs; its a matter of opinion as to which is "right"
"Now I know that political corectness and appeasement can do more harm than good in some cases, but not this one."
I fail to see how this is worse than say any other offensive thing that has occurred in the recent past. Things that come to mind are the depiction of women in most video games (DoA comes to mind), depiction of enemies in most games (Arabs in CoD4, Germans and Japanese in WWII games, etc.), and depiction of most stereotypes in tv (Sopranos, Boondocks, Chappelle Show, etc.).
America is about the freedom to say or do what you want as long as it doesn't infringe upon the freedom of others. YOU have the freedom to call McCain a fascist without persecution. I can either ignore you or attempt to make you see my view, but I can't threaten you to change your ways.
If it offends you that much, protest it and convince other people not to buy it (think Spore). A company should not back down because of an interest group.
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"Nice level of tolerence in the above posts, don't forget to vote for Hitler/Stalin/McCain next month."
If you honestly believe McCain doesn't love this country you are a fool. People who serve in our military do so because they believe preserving our ideals is more important than their own lives. This doesn't apply only to McCain, it applies to everyone past and present, including John Kerry and the VP's kids (not W. though, he ducked out of his duties).
Even if you don't agree with his policies, you have to at least respect him. You saying McCain is the same as Hitler is just as stupid as someone saying Obama is a terrorist. Both candidates are running because they feel their vision is what America needs; its a matter of opinion as to which is "right"
"Now I know that political corectness and appeasement can do more harm than good in some cases, but not this one."
I fail to see how this is worse than say any other offensive thing that has occurred in the recent past. Things that come to mind are the depiction of women in most video games (DoA comes to mind), depiction of enemies in most games (Arabs in CoD4, Germans and Japanese in WWII games, etc.), and depiction of most stereotypes in tv (Sopranos, Boondocks, Chappelle Show, etc.).
America is about the freedom to say or do what you want as long as it doesn't infringe upon the freedom of others. YOU have the freedom to call McCain a fascist without persecution. I can either ignore you or attempt to make you see my view, but I can't threaten you to change your ways.
If it offends you that much, protest it and convince other people not to buy it (think Spore). A company should not back down because of an interest group.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:18PM Paulmichael said
McCain may have served time in the military, but then so have millions of other Americans. Not to downplay what he did or disrespect him. I just hope there aren't people voting for him over Obama just because McCain served in the military and Obama didn't. I'm sure there are people who will do that, but that really shouldn't surprise me.
Anyway, what Sony did with LBP was done simply to avoid lawsuits and bad PR, which would result in a loss of money. That's the bottom line in all of these decisions, all the damn time: money. Don't you ever forget that Sony is a large corporation bent on making the most money whenever possible.
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Anyway, what Sony did with LBP was done simply to avoid lawsuits and bad PR, which would result in a loss of money. That's the bottom line in all of these decisions, all the damn time: money. Don't you ever forget that Sony is a large corporation bent on making the most money whenever possible.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:31PM (Unverified) said
Yes, any jackass who gets his political views from "Family Guy" is really the kind of person we should listen to.
Hitler/Stalin/McCain? Because he doesn't pitch irresponsible spending, ass-backwards foreign policy, and socialism? Get your head out of your ass, Obamaniac.
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Hitler/Stalin/McCain? Because he doesn't pitch irresponsible spending, ass-backwards foreign policy, and socialism? Get your head out of your ass, Obamaniac.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:47PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
Bass -
George Bush has done more to socialize American than Obama is even proposing. Not to mention we are now 50 republics under the fascist rule of King George Bush.
Don't forget that mcCain was in favor of the bailout and also wants to offer similar programs to Obama in terms of healthcare.
McCain may have rallied the base with his pick of Palin but picking her will cost him the election in the end.
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George Bush has done more to socialize American than Obama is even proposing. Not to mention we are now 50 republics under the fascist rule of King George Bush.
Don't forget that mcCain was in favor of the bailout and also wants to offer similar programs to Obama in terms of healthcare.
McCain may have rallied the base with his pick of Palin but picking her will cost him the election in the end.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 5:58PM (Unverified) said
I hate to tell you this, but Obama not only favored the bailout, he wanted to spend MORE money to buy homes from the idiots who defaulted.
George Bush didn't do more to socialize America than anyone else. Until the market collapse, which was the result of DEMOCRATIC MEDDLING IN THE MORTGAGE MARKET, the economy BOOMED under Bush. Now you clever people want to pretend it was all Republicans and hand the country over to the party who screwed us. Brilliant. Keep watching Family Guy, and listening to Madonna's "political speeches".
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George Bush didn't do more to socialize America than anyone else. Until the market collapse, which was the result of DEMOCRATIC MEDDLING IN THE MORTGAGE MARKET, the economy BOOMED under Bush. Now you clever people want to pretend it was all Republicans and hand the country over to the party who screwed us. Brilliant. Keep watching Family Guy, and listening to Madonna's "political speeches".
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:09PM (Unverified) said
Are people over-sensitive enough to be offended by those lyrics really people that play ANY video games anyway?
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:12PM (Unverified) said
In before bigotry and senseless raging on Musli--
Oh, too late.
Oh, too late.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:21PM (Unverified) said
Extremists suck.
This is the fucking internet.There are no holy cows here and every other religion would get as much flak if they pulled off shit like this.
In fact Christianity would get an enormously bigger backlash as ever since the terrorist-attacks (once again - Bunch of fucked up extrimists), Islam has a magical "We will appease you and censor everything, please don't burn our country down" shield that lets them get off anything.
Think about what would happen to other religions if they tried shit like arresting and proposing to execute a British schoolteacher for naming the class's teddy bear "Muhammad" or the infamous cartoon controversy.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_teddy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
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This is the fucking internet.There are no holy cows here and every other religion would get as much flak if they pulled off shit like this.
In fact Christianity would get an enormously bigger backlash as ever since the terrorist-attacks (once again - Bunch of fucked up extrimists), Islam has a magical "We will appease you and censor everything, please don't burn our country down" shield that lets them get off anything.
Think about what would happen to other religions if they tried shit like arresting and proposing to execute a British schoolteacher for naming the class's teddy bear "Muhammad" or the infamous cartoon controversy.
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_teddy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:32PM (Unverified) said
You're a jackass. Nobody is 'raging on Muslims', we are raging on the stupid Western world's fear of Muslim extremism. As long as you treat crazy people with kid gloves they will continue to act like idiots.
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Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:12PM (Unverified) said
Wait, I'd reinstate my opinion because I don't want to come off as a hypocrite in any future discussion.
The Cartoons Controversy was justified as it mocked Muhammed and was racist.The authors tried to pass it off as "freedom of speech" despite the fact that stuff like Blackface or Nazi references would be instantly banned due to racism, revealing this huge double standard.So in a way they've won the debate as Muslims had all the right to be pissed off about it.I still think the death threats and extremists rioting was a bad thing to do, but that's a different story.
As for Teddy and LBP controversy, they're still retarded.
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The Cartoons Controversy was justified as it mocked Muhammed and was racist.The authors tried to pass it off as "freedom of speech" despite the fact that stuff like Blackface or Nazi references would be instantly banned due to racism, revealing this huge double standard.So in a way they've won the debate as Muslims had all the right to be pissed off about it.I still think the death threats and extremists rioting was a bad thing to do, but that's a different story.
As for Teddy and LBP controversy, they're still retarded.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:48PM (Unverified) said
@ Emophilia
Quoted from Wikipedia:
"Metaphorical sacred cows
The term sacred cow has passed into the English language to mean an object or practice which is considered immune from criticism, especially unreasonably so."
Who's the "ignorant fuck" now? Stop jumping onto conclusions.
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Quoted from Wikipedia:
"Metaphorical sacred cows
The term sacred cow has passed into the English language to mean an object or practice which is considered immune from criticism, especially unreasonably so."
Who's the "ignorant fuck" now? Stop jumping onto conclusions.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:37PM (Unverified) said
"The Cartoon Controversy was justified"? What the fuck is wrong with you? Rioting in the streets, burning cars and buildings, and killing people - you think that's justified because someone took offense at a CARTOON?
Every day someone publishes a cartoon mocking Christian beliefs, and nobody gets killed. There are COUNTLESS cartoons showing Bush being lynched; as ThePeoplesCube points out, if you carried a lynched effigy of Obama you'd be accused of a hate crime.
It's ALL offensive. That's the point. We supposedly live in a world that respects the marketplace of ideas, the RIGHT of someone to offend someone else. You can complain about it, but no matter how offensive you find it, you don't have the right to bomb someone, shoot someone, stab someone, burn someone, or any of that other bullshit you're implicitly validating.
I have to wonder how you arrive at your idiotic world view. Is it cowardice? Are you so afraid of taking a stand that you'll let people walk all over you?
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Every day someone publishes a cartoon mocking Christian beliefs, and nobody gets killed. There are COUNTLESS cartoons showing Bush being lynched; as ThePeoplesCube points out, if you carried a lynched effigy of Obama you'd be accused of a hate crime.
It's ALL offensive. That's the point. We supposedly live in a world that respects the marketplace of ideas, the RIGHT of someone to offend someone else. You can complain about it, but no matter how offensive you find it, you don't have the right to bomb someone, shoot someone, stab someone, burn someone, or any of that other bullshit you're implicitly validating.
I have to wonder how you arrive at your idiotic world view. Is it cowardice? Are you so afraid of taking a stand that you'll let people walk all over you?
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 4:34PM (Unverified) said
"Rioting in the streets, burning cars and buildings, and killing people - you think that's justified because someone took offense at a CARTOON?"
I think you misunderstood me.
I never said that violence was okay as any kind of violence caused by religion is simply absurd.
I didn't say it was okay for Muslims to start killing people.I said it was okay for Muslims to be offended.
Muslims didn't get offended because of pictures of Muhammad ,these cartoons simply racist(One of them has shown Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse) and implied that all who believe in Islam are terrorists.The entire controversy was about what-looks-like-racism-to-me-and-a-lot-of-other-people against what-the-newspaper-calls-freedom-of-speech.
This does not justify anything that happened, but as I said, Muslims had all right to be insulted in that case, which is why I decided not to group it with the incidents involving a certain Teddy Bear and a certain Video Game as these are simply retarded.
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I think you misunderstood me.
I never said that violence was okay as any kind of violence caused by religion is simply absurd.
I didn't say it was okay for Muslims to start killing people.I said it was okay for Muslims to be offended.
Muslims didn't get offended because of pictures of Muhammad ,these cartoons simply racist(One of them has shown Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse) and implied that all who believe in Islam are terrorists.The entire controversy was about what-looks-like-racism-to-me-and-a-lot-of-other-people against what-the-newspaper-calls-freedom-of-speech.
This does not justify anything that happened, but as I said, Muslims had all right to be insulted in that case, which is why I decided not to group it with the incidents involving a certain Teddy Bear and a certain Video Game as these are simply retarded.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:39PM JoshMilewski said
Yeah, because everyone knows that giant penises are "fun for the entire world".
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:46PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
He is right about one thing. The game does have world wide appeal to everyone. It will trascend age, gender, culture & appeals to all gamers. The best way for me to describe it is wymsical & magical. Like the ultimate storybook you read as a child has come to life in a vibrant world. Thats just the single player campaign!
I have played through about 7 individual levels of the 50 or so in the game. Thus far I have at least 150 objects to use a creations in my own levels. On top of that I am only about 30-40% complete on each level in terms of objects.
It's a complete physics based platformer first and a robust content creation suite second.
I have played through about 7 individual levels of the 50 or so in the game. Thus far I have at least 150 objects to use a creations in my own levels. On top of that I am only about 30-40% complete on each level in terms of objects.
It's a complete physics based platformer first and a robust content creation suite second.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:55PM (Unverified) said
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 1:55PM ummhello said
Jesus Christ!!!! the right thing to do was to release it the way the developers intended and just offer a patch for those few that are offended.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:00PM (Unverified) said
uhh... well I dunno about you guys but the request from the muslim leaders to have their holy text removed from the soundtrack seemed pretty calm, respectful, and reasonable to me. And sony responded appropriatly, whats the big deal having to wait 2 weeks?
oh wait... yeah... internet, sorry
oh wait... yeah... internet, sorry
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:21PM (Unverified) said
oh... I thought some muslim guy was making comments on tv though? perhaps that is aftermath.
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Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:06PM Master Bruce said
A different Muslim group said it was a stupid thing to do: http://www.edge-online.com/features/muslim-group-condemns-lbp-%E2%80%9Ccensorship%E2%80%9D?page=0%2C1
I especially liked this part:
"Muslims cannot benefit from freedom of expression and religion and then turn around and ask that anytime their sensibilities are offended that the freedom of others be restricted."
What's sad is that the US has the potential to be a great place for mainstream Muslims to practice their religion, but it's stunts like this with LBP that piss people off and make them less willing to accept practitioners of Islam.
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I especially liked this part:
"Muslims cannot benefit from freedom of expression and religion and then turn around and ask that anytime their sensibilities are offended that the freedom of others be restricted."
What's sad is that the US has the potential to be a great place for mainstream Muslims to practice their religion, but it's stunts like this with LBP that piss people off and make them less willing to accept practitioners of Islam.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:17PM HeyApples said
Any entertainment media that is 100% not offensive is also 100% not entertainment.
Everything from modern movievs to late night television thrive on some element which could be construed as offensive to somebody.
These niche groups that speak out would be better served growing some thicker skin. No one is out to "get them."
Everything from modern movievs to late night television thrive on some element which could be construed as offensive to somebody.
These niche groups that speak out would be better served growing some thicker skin. No one is out to "get them."
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:22PM (Unverified) said
It was the safe decision. It most certainly wasn't the right one.
I know exactly how it came about. Nobody was worried about the game not being inclusive enough -- when have they ever listened to complaints like that before?
No, what happened was some bigshots at Sony had a hastily-assembled meeting and somebody said, "Crap, guys. What if some Muslims get pissed about this and go blow up an embassy or something like they did with those cartoons or the pope's comments? Think of how that would taint this game's PR."
And so they recalled it. They recalled it even though the whiner who started all this never wanted anything that extreme himself.
Something to note when dealing with religious extremists: crazy fucks will find an excuse to kill you whether you provoke them or not.
I know exactly how it came about. Nobody was worried about the game not being inclusive enough -- when have they ever listened to complaints like that before?
No, what happened was some bigshots at Sony had a hastily-assembled meeting and somebody said, "Crap, guys. What if some Muslims get pissed about this and go blow up an embassy or something like they did with those cartoons or the pope's comments? Think of how that would taint this game's PR."
And so they recalled it. They recalled it even though the whiner who started all this never wanted anything that extreme himself.
Something to note when dealing with religious extremists: crazy fucks will find an excuse to kill you whether you provoke them or not.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:45PM SilentMountain said
Once again, religious extremism poops on our parade. Glad to know the end of this age is almost here....
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:09PM (Unverified) said
I pray by the Lords of Kobal that you are right.
November 4th is a good beginning for taking back this formerly SECULAR country from the Xtian right. But we have a Loooooooooooooooooong way to go b4 we stop holding one idea of God(s) above another which many times leads to the dehumanizing of certain ideas or cultures which brings some to commit the despicable acts of in-humanity over who's God(s) can beat up another God(s).
Why can't we just worship or NOT worship whatever invisible man we want to in PEACE. Why can't we be TOLERANT of other ideas? Why can't we find out for ourselves the true nature of the Universe instead of beLIEving a 2000 year old group of stories that have been picked apart and changed to serve countless power-grabs by the Old Men in Robes.
I am human, I am alive.
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November 4th is a good beginning for taking back this formerly SECULAR country from the Xtian right. But we have a Loooooooooooooooooong way to go b4 we stop holding one idea of God(s) above another which many times leads to the dehumanizing of certain ideas or cultures which brings some to commit the despicable acts of in-humanity over who's God(s) can beat up another God(s).
Why can't we just worship or NOT worship whatever invisible man we want to in PEACE. Why can't we be TOLERANT of other ideas? Why can't we find out for ourselves the true nature of the Universe instead of beLIEving a 2000 year old group of stories that have been picked apart and changed to serve countless power-grabs by the Old Men in Robes.
I am human, I am alive.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 4:05PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
mayan long count
i-ching & time wave zero
countless prophicies
computer spiders
bible code
global warming & global dimming
chem trails
huge spike in autism
invisible waves poisinig our mind and bodies
chemicals in our food and animals
world war and conflicts
disease
population is gorwing to fast
genocide
honeybees dissappearing
2012 is coming sooner than we all think ... the poles will shift is what I think ... our society is out of tune with nature and the cycles of the natural earth ...
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i-ching & time wave zero
countless prophicies
computer spiders
bible code
global warming & global dimming
chem trails
huge spike in autism
invisible waves poisinig our mind and bodies
chemicals in our food and animals
world war and conflicts
disease
population is gorwing to fast
genocide
honeybees dissappearing
2012 is coming sooner than we all think ... the poles will shift is what I think ... our society is out of tune with nature and the cycles of the natural earth ...
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:28PM h0mi said
I'm not happy about the delay... this is a major "WTF" is going on with the developer when the thought never occurred to them that this music was going to be a problem until a week or so before the international release.
I'm displeased about Sony's response not because there's something wrong with being sensitive to Muslim concerns; its that there's a clear double standard at work- Church of England is upset over the use of the church in a violent video game? Their concerns are dismissed and ignored, if not outright ridiculed.
I'm displeased about Sony's response not because there's something wrong with being sensitive to Muslim concerns; its that there's a clear double standard at work- Church of England is upset over the use of the church in a violent video game? Their concerns are dismissed and ignored, if not outright ridiculed.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:32PM (Unverified) said
Did I mention the magical "Ima burn down yo country" shield?
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Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:41PM (Unverified) said
Ah but you're missing the point. No religion deserves tolerance and complete acceptance. However Islam has some of the most bat shit insane ones. As such people who are afraid of them are forced to take any crazy demand they make seriously.
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Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:30PM Professor Lario said
Ok, it was the right thing to do. Based on that line of thought do you know what else would be 'right'? Censoring all titles for material possibly offensive to ANY religious group. Yes, that is the road we are on...
I am a Christian. That said, I have brains and purchasing power, therefore I can decide to not buy a product that is offensive to me and purchase something else.
I am a Christian. That said, I have brains and purchasing power, therefore I can decide to not buy a product that is offensive to me and purchase something else.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:32PM (Unverified) said
Yea for appeasing religious idiots! I find it funny that one person made a post on some forums and enacted change then clerics and whatnot come out of the woodwork to say how WONDERFUL this decision was. It's pathetic. This is what makes Islam a special brand of bullshit, different from Christianity and Judaism. The other two big ones have it written in that they'll be mocked for their religion and that they should just grin and bear it. Islam tells you to protect your religion and even wage a war within you and in your world. Religion of peace? I think not. It simply has peaceful followers.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 2:41PM ScottG13 said
It seems hypocritical to tolerate games with some types of religious content, scripture or themes, but not others. Can't have it both ways.
Posted: Oct 22nd 2008 3:02PM (Unverified) said
The prophet Mohammad liked children... sexually.
Not making offensive statements, just speaking the truth. The prophet did indeed have a child wife. Granted, he did have the good sense not to put his penis inside her until the moment she began menstruating.
Not making offensive statements, just speaking the truth. The prophet did indeed have a child wife. Granted, he did have the good sense not to put his penis inside her until the moment she began menstruating.
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