Pirates raid Xbox release calendar, leak Gears 2 & Fallout 3 among others

You really don't see ???

OK, I'll give you a few clues...

1-Free
2-Weeks earlier
3-Bragging about playing before everybody
4-Free

I use gamefly, and sometimes buy when the game is worth the money, but even then, i understand why download, instead of buying.

Well, I see why,just why you HAVE to, rather than at least rent or borrowing is different. They can at least rent instead of download.

I see WHY thugs rob liquor stores, but it doesn't make it right.

Honestly, Piracy does not hurt the game industry.

This is a link about piracy effecting Spore sales:http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10054438-62.html

The short version of the link is- The people who pirate games weren't going to buy them anyway.

This might be for a number of reasons, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's all about the money. Think about it. 10 Xbox 360 games is $600 before tax. At that rate, I'd probably only buy 5 games a year, as I'm a poor college student. And I know there are way more than 5 good releases a year that I'd like to play.

It's really offensive how 360fanboy portrays game pirates as 'not real gamers' or 'the most wretched type of scum and villainy'. Just because most pirates can't afford games, doesn't mean they're less enthusiastic about gaming than people who pay for them. In fact, I know many people where it's exactly the opposite; the pirates know more, play more, and have completed the game where the paying customer has not.

This reminds me of when I saw American HiFi in concert when I was 12. They called everyone in the lawn seating (essentially a general admission ticket as opposed to reserved seats) not real fans and that shouldn't even be at the concert. Case in point, a gamer should not be judged by who spends the most money.

I hope Xav reads this. Maybe he might find himself a bit enlightened- at least to the opposing argument.

Agreed. Almost every single game is getting ripped and uploaded now. But the demand for big name titles is overwhelming.

I don't like paying £50 for a game. But I do. And what annoys me most is that in America new games are approx. $60. That equals about £35-40.* That is why I think that the UK should get rid of crappy taxes and be equal to the US prices.

* Also, Fable II is out in the US now, even though Lionhead is an English developer. What's up with that? WE should get it first.

I don't understand the delay in UK releases, maybe 24hours, but sometimes we have to wait a week or sometimes even months. What is up with that.

"Games are expensive" isn't justification, it's an excuse.

@Macroy
Are you going to buy the games for me?

You could always get a job :)

If you don't have the money to buy the games you want...guess what...

YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM ALL!!

Is that really hard to understand?

@Josh:

If you can't afford to purchase games, don't play them.

Im a full time student. Ill get a job soon. Then I'll buy games. For now I pirate.

Tough shit if you can't buy games because you don't have the money. Your sad excuse to pirate games is not justifiable, because there is not justification. Games are a luxury, not a necessity. You don't need video games to live.

That's good and all but it's not like you could've pirated ps3 games like LBP anyway. I don't think hackers have figured that out yet which is good.

Just like SithLarry said,

Even if you did decide to somehow pirate LBP (or any PS3 game for that matter), hardware costs alone (BR-burner, BR-discs) would force you to actually buy the game legitamitely......

Im sure all of the digital music your listening to is all legal.

Yes Josh it sure is. But then again I have a job and live in the strange world of working for a living. Its not for everyone I know that. Those of you that do work, keep working millions depend on you.....

Hypocrisy check please...

@Max
Amen.
@Big Bird
I'm a full time student. My wallet isn't exactly thick.

you could argue that the gamestop plan still drives more sales because people can sell it back there plus if you want to go against that you also would have to ga against used movies ...

Compare the number of times this torrent has been downloaded to the number of times a big PC game like Spore or Crysis did, then reconsider who you're calling an idiot.

Currently on a torrent site there are 2981 people seeding gears 2 with 3291 leechers. Thats only one 2 trackers..... I've never seen any pc game with that many seeds or leechers.

Compare any multiplatform release, there will be more 360 pirates then pc.

I know i was correct naming the idiot. I've compared,,, I suggest you do the same.

Its not even a matter of installing a mod chip anymore. Its a very simple procedure that took me about an hour. No physical modification whatsoever is required; other than opening the console.

Never? Weird, because there are more people seeding Spore, RIGHT NOW, than there are Gears 2.

And that's for a game that has already been released for over a month. Gears 2 has extra incentive for pirates because they can't even buy it legally for another 3 months. Back when Spore was new, there were far more people downloading/seeding than there are now, even though now there are still more than Gears 2. Given that the biggest part of Gears 2 is online co-op and multiplayer, I'm guessing a MUCH huger percentage of those downloading the Gears 2 torrent 3 weeks before release will be actually buying the game than those that are downloading Spore when they can walk into their store and pick it up.

Besides, as you go out there throwing around the word "idiot" you couldn't even figure out what Bleszinski was saying in that article. He never said that there are more PC pirates than 360 pirates (though there certainly are, by a longshot), he said that someone savvy enough to build a gaming rig is probably savvy enough to use bittorrent. On the flipside, someone "savvy" enough to walk into Best Buy and buy a 360 in no way indicates that they're savvy enough to open up said 360, plug the drive into their computer, flash it, and then use bittorrent.

Think about it, what percentage of people with high end gaming rigs do you think know how to use bittorrent? 90%? Higher?

Now, what percentage of people that walk into Best Buy and buy a 360 know how to open it up, open up their PC, hook the 360 drive up to their PC, create a bootable floppy, flash the firmware, and then use bittorrent? 5%? Less?

I won't even go on, you're so ridiculously jaded it's not even worth bickering about anymore.

I understood completely what he was saying, if you read my comment in the original article.

I'm saying that the same people that are "savvy" enough to build a gaming rig are savvy enough to mod or flash a 360. The people that drop $1500 to 2g on a gaming rig will drop $250 on a 360 to do the same thing.

By comparison Pirating on the 360 is a lot easier than PC. Back when I pirated you needed to get the right crack for your version if it wasn't included, even after applying the crack you needed to have the iso mounting, depending on what type of protection it was you needed different program for each type to hide the mount. Each version of protection you had to update everything. I used to run 3 different mounting programs and countless programs to hide it..... 360 you flash it once you are done.

I do apologize on the spore, yesterday when i checked the numbers, (won't say actual name) the "bay" tracker was down the had 2600 seeds.

You are also not considering spore was a pc only release. If there was a PC and 360 release how much different would those number be. I would say close to equal. The most difference would be 60% pc and 40% 360. That is still a lot of 360's pirating. Saying only 5% of 360 pirate is very naive. I would put it more around 20%, if not higher.... Look at some forums and see how popular it is.

For the record I used to pirate on PC, but don't anymore. I don't have a modded 360 but easily could, so could anyone that knows how to get to Google.. However I do plan on modding a wii eventually....

Anyone that posts spoilers for a new game (even if it just came out legitimately) without a warning to tell people that don't want it spoiled to avert their eyes is the ultimate kind of douchebag.

HA! People always twist the meaning of free speech. Yes you can say what you want to but you can't go around screaming "FIRE!" in a movie theater or start yelling "BOMB!" in a public place. It endangers people's safety.

And in this case, you would be endangering others gaming safety! :P

It's not always a question of the law sometimes it's a question of morals. I would personally say that pirating a game is worse than a song as more work goes into a game and alot of the money from a purchase from a song does go to the artist.

Its ALWAYS a question of the law.

Somewhat true.
there would still be piracy though.

Right off the bat, you loose all credibility by using M"$".


"I know piracy is wrong and all that but answer me this? Have Epic games made a loss on the GoW franchise? Not a chance...GoW 1 made so much cash they made a 2nd one."

What is this, morel equivalence day? How does a company doing something successful somehow justify anyone to break the law and steal from them later on on future products?

"Its got to the point that its cheaper to absorb the losses from piracy than it is to devise a mechanism to defeat it."

Hardly, the douchebaggery of pirating will continue to evolve the necessary evil of DRM.

"And in any case, most people who pirate games would not have bought them anyway."

WTF? So this makes it ok to steal? That's as intellectually bankrupt as me stating: since I'm not going to purchase that Ferrari anyways, it's ok for me to steal it.

"ripping off the consumers with questionable DLC then the argument goes both ways."

Another "wizard of smart moment" from you. NO ONE FORCES YOU TO PURCHASE DLC!!!! It's not ripping the consumer off if the choice to purchase is left to the CONSUMERS.

My gawd, you people amaze me.