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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 9:56AM (Unverified) said

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Wow, they're just trying to copy Gears of War 2 and Left 4 Dead, good try Treyacrch, you're still not gonna get my money.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 11:12PM (Unverified) said

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How do you figure? Gears Horde mode was announced like a month ago. Seems like a coincidence to me. There's no way you could put something like this together that fast.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 5:49PM (Unverified) said

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This game just went onto my buy list. Though its still right behind

Left 4 Dead
Far Cry 2
Gears of War 2
Fable II
Fallout 3
Smackdown vs Raw 09
Vigilante 8 Arcade
Saints Row 2
Qauntom of Solace
Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts(the only one Im buying on day 1)
C & C: Red Alert 3

So It might be awhile, lol. If I buy it at all.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:44PM Alex R said

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Why haven't you bought Far Cry 2 yet?
Seriously, go crazy. it's the best game since ever.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 5:44PM (Unverified) said

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I call shenanigans!
...though the pictures look both convincing and cool...
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 5:46PM RebelWithACause said

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There is a video proving it, unless the developers made the actual game mode as a joke and are not going to include it in the game, however it is a real game mode.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 10:04PM (Unverified) said

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saw this on Spike TV. the Developers were talking about this. 4 player co-op and the waves of zombies are endless. The development team said they can last 23 waves...

They said this is a pure team effort, where you need to barracade doors and windows and stuff. it's pretty impressive.

this makes me want to pick this game up now.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 5:56PM FearTheMuffin said

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I thought WaW was only in the pacific.
Why would Germans be in the pacific?
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 6:01PM (Unverified) said

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They were invited to a clam bake? *shrugs*
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 6:27PM (Unverified) said

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The pacific and Russia...
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 5:54PM (Unverified) said

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Appealing to the Wolfenstien crowd eh? Looks like CoD just jumped the shark, or zombie Hitler if you prefer.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 3:35AM meatee said

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I was thinking the same thing. After this, maybe Treyarch's next CoD will be super-original, and they'll put soldiers in some futuristic space war! Now that'd be unique!
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 3:51AM carbonize said

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I hope to god that Meatee was being sarcastic then.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 12:23PM (Unverified) said

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I was actually hoping more for CoD 6: Kitchen Warfare. :/
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:54PM Alex R said

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CoD: Germ Warfare. It's basically the first stage of Spore and then you scoop them into a jar and throw them at the French.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 3:03PM (Unverified) said

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^
LOL!
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 6:09PM (Unverified) said

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To quote Moorio:

"I'll shove 99 bottles of beer up your ass."
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 11:48AM (Unverified) said

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Unfortunately, this is not as funny now that it's out of context.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 12:21PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, shame they had to delete it right? now everyone will read this and start marking me down for not keeping on topic. "99 bottles of beer? STFU, noob! Stay on topic!"
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 6:16PM (Unverified) said

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Eh, I'll stick to Gears horde mode. It sounds much better anyways, and will have a larger following.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 6:44PM worldpattern said

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WTFF? Zombie mode? That's retarded. Why does this game have to piss on COD4 so much?
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 1:58AM Anticrawl said

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COD4 pissed on its self by adding on the "Modern Warfare" bit at the end. Tell me what is so modern about it? Has the insane poorly trained soldier feel of WWII where they handed a rifle and a helmet to anyone who could walk. It was COD2 with sprinting, a few gimmicks and less geometry on the character models to make them appear more detailed. How modern is running into the open tossing grenades in the air like an idiot? Should have stuck with WWII even though I'm sick of that topic, the game play felt more suited to that era of war. Today we can't afford collateral damage and giving away your position or wasting grenades. The only game mode worth playing that doesn't piss me off is Search & Destroy. Can't believe I wasted 60 dollars on the game for a short (but very fun) single player game.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:15AM (Unverified) said

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I dunno about you guys, but I totally got a "Modern Warfare" vibe from Call of Duty 4. And I loved it. It had pretty much everything I expected from a "Modern Warfare" shooter. I thought the weapons felt "Modern", the time era felt "Modern", the ability to call in air support came off as "Modern".

I seriously think they should have called it CoD4: Modern Warfare...oh, wait...
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:12PM JCarpio said

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eh. i sure am hoping that zombies do not become to games, like the world war 2 genre has become. meaning, played out.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:19PM Gimpygoat said

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Why all the hate? What is the basis? It's not like the zombies are in the campaign... it's a mini-game that is unlocked after beating the game. The zombies don't rise during the battles in the Pacific or Eastern fronts.

I personally think it's a wonderful idea. I was trying to figure out which of the two games (CoD:WaW or L4D ) I was going to buy first. With CoD:WaW you get both games in one. You get the 2 most evil enemies to fight in any game rolled into one game!

Also stop the Treyarch hate. I think many people will be suprised by this game. Treyarch is not a bad developer, they only had 8 months to make CoD 3 and I think they did a wonderful job. I still play 3 online to this day. CoD:WaW has had more that twice the amount of dev. time.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 9:36PM (Unverified) said

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It does sound cool, i mean - now we can kill nazi scum again. Once when they were alive and now that their dead.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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There is going to be a ton of flaming/hate this holiday season as most people can't afford to buy all the new games, so people are quick to latch onto the one they chose and bash the games they had to sacrifice buying - so is the way with the console war as well (the kids who can't afford both, flame the one they don't have)

This looks awesome though, nice little bonus feature. Nothing will beat Left 4 Dead versus mode though.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:20PM (Unverified) said

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Co-op included? Cause that could be hella fun.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 12:14AM (Unverified) said

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it is included, according to a interview i saw on gamertrailers.com
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:27PM Stabby McStabs said

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Anyone else try the beta? I went in hopeful, came out canceling my pre-order. I switched it Gears 2 insted
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:31PM (Unverified) said

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Its that COD5 hud? what the fack?

I just wish for another COD4 style.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:45PM (Unverified) said

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ehhh yeah thats the cod5 hud but just specialized for zombie killin me thinks
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 7:50PM F7698 said

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I already have CoD4 and preordered Gow2, still don't need this game...
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 9:18PM (Unverified) said

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wow, zombies are everywhere nowadays
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 9:28PM (Unverified) said

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Well... They just got 60 bucks from me. I was going to boycott this game because I hated cod3 but now im buying it because it has freaking zombies! Im such a consumer whore.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 11:51PM (Unverified) said

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left 4 dead? sounds alot more like gears of war 2 to me. and extremly badass
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 10:37PM juggalotusmx said

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rip-off damn im getting it anyway :P
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 10:58PM czechm8 said

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Stubbs, is that you? Stubbs what are you doing!?! LEGGO MY ARM STUBBS! AHHHH.

(zombie mode is halfassed Left 4 Dead. there I said it.)
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:01AM Anticrawl said

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Left 4 Dead does not have zombies, they have people who are infected with a disease. They are the "Infected" and share no traits with zombies other than being really ugly and consuming human flesh.... kinda sounds like a hooker really.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 11:31PM blash said

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So let's see here: Waw is officially borrowing from:

Cod4 (multiplayer) - I could say cod series in general but I mean come on, it IS a cod game... but the multiplayer is much, much too similar to cod4
Wolfenstein/l4d - zombies
Halo - deathcards instead of skulls
Gears of war 2 - horde mode
far cry 2 - fire

did I miss any? the odd thing is that these are really just coincidences since the game was in development before any of these features from rival games were announced or released.
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Posted: Oct 25th 2008 11:32PM blash said

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to make it clear: that's not a bad thing, it makes the game a hell of a lot better, but I'm just saying here :P
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:39AM (Unverified) said

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This is activition's middle finger to valve. Oh, snaP!
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 11:11AM (Unverified) said

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Still not convinced by this game, multiplayer was crap.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:35PM ghostbuddy said

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"Left 4 Dead does not have zombies, they have people who are infected with a disease. They are the "Infected" and share no traits with zombies other than being really ugly and consuming human flesh.... kinda sounds like a hooker really."


They share no traits with zombies? They have rotting flesh. They used to be humans, but have changed. Their arrival resulted in the collapse of society. Them attacking another person, results in that person becoming a zomb..I mean(for the purposes of this arguement alone) infected.

The truth is, every single trait that you attribute to zombies, that isn't in the infected - zombie variants of Dawn of the dead, 28 days later, left 4 dead, etc. Most of those traits weren't ones zombies had to begin with. Those were traits that certain works of fiction added to zombies, that were carried on.

The concept of the zombies evolved from superstitions of the undead. Earlier zombie movies, kept that superstition aspect. George A. Romero for example, has a bible alluded answer to the zombies. Other zombie movies had demonic, or sorcery explanations.

Modern zombie deplictions, have abandoned that. Because audiences don't respond to that very well any more. So how do they create a valid explanation for zombies? The only reasonable explanation was an infection.


As for the increased speed of zombies, that was an effort to appeal to a audience that wants more tension and a faster pace from movies.

If you actually remember. Zombies used to eat brains. They didn't originally eat flesh at all. They killed a victim, and ate their brains because they had none. And yet one of the only traits you see infected and zombies as sharing is that they eat flesh. Theres lots of ways the concept of the zombie has evolved inorder to survive.

The problem is, the zombie genre died. And by the time it was revived the audience had changed so much. That the genre had to change so much at once, that some fans of the original genre reject it. But had the genre evolved as it should have, and had it never ended up dieing for as long as it did . Well then we wouldn't even be having this arguement.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 2:02PM (Unverified) said

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Your argment was interesting until I read:

"If you actually remember. Zombies used to eat brains. They didn't originally eat flesh at all. They killed a victim, and ate their brains because they had none."

That's not true. Zombies didn't eat brains until Return of the Living Dead, which was more of a spoof movie. The classic Romero zombies never went for the brains, just the flesh.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:48PM ghostbuddy said

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"the odd thing is that these are really just coincidences since the game was in development before any of these features from rival games were announced or released."

Skulls were in Halo 2.

Horde mode is a survival mode. Another game that has it, is the XBLM port of Marathon: Durandal. That came out in August 2007. Well before that, a thread with thousands of comments on B.NET had people asking for a survival mode in Halo 3. EPIC cites Geometry wars and smash T.V as inspiration for Horde.

Then theres the COD 4 multiplayer. Of cource Treyarch saw that well before we did. I mean their game uses the same engine.

As for wolfestein/ Left 4 Dead. Wolfestein has been out for a long while. Left 4 Dead has been announced for a long while.

You also have to realize something, just because the game started development before another game announces features. That doesn't mean you can't add that feature to your game, half way through development.

The only coincidence there is the fire. Which lets be honest, is hardly a revolutionary idea. The mechanics behind the propagation is new, but the idea itself isn't.

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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 11:09PM (Unverified) said

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The team that made this game was a team merged from the guys who MADE the Return to Castle Woflenstein game and a team that was working on a cancelled zombie game called Dead Rush. Everyone saying these guys ripped stuff off is cracking me up. Look it up.
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 2:53PM stukorn said

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I think the zombie idea is cool, i mean we have left 4 dead for that kind of gameplay. But it's like the arcade mode in cod4 but better. I think it will be a lot of fun, random but fun!
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 6:03PM (Unverified) said

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I feel bad about the Zombies.

I mean, CoD is a "realistic" franchise, oriented at the real war. Why this twist to undead? You're not Resident Evil, it's not Gears of War.

Also I really think it's kind of de-humanizing Germans. You know, we're normal people, even if very bad things happened, which should not be forgotten.
These wars and war crimes have been done by human beings. Myth creation shouldn't be involved in history ... uninformed youth might think it's all just a funny story and Germans really aren't normal people ... and that the crimes were only possible with "unearthly" beings involved.

Why no german campaing mode anyway?
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Posted: Oct 26th 2008 7:46PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah, I've heard that similar question comming from Russian and Arab gamers: Why do we always have to play Americans and British?
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