Miyamoto's promise: Nintendo working on 'many' core games

woops, changed my sentence subject halfway through. Should be Everyone or Every Media outlet

I hate it when grammar writes posts like that.

:P

But seriously, what usually gets me is when I revise a sentence before submitting a post and forget to make sure that the revisions make sense.

Because whatever money they lose from the hardcore base they're more than doubling in the casual market.

Face it people. Nintendo is a business. They make cold, calculated decisions that alienate their fans just like Microsoft and Sony do.

Yes, but to abandon their core makes no sense, since most of their core games are hits anyway, and pretty much all of them are profitable (even the very niche Fire Emblem)

Nintendo's a growing company. They can easily afford to work both sides of the street.

When has Sony and Microsoft Gaming divisions abandoned their CORE gamers the way Nintendo has?

Sony did by charging over half a grand for a console, people might like their games, but not that much, and the sales of the console prove it.

And Microsoft dose not have any core gamers lots of hardcore gamers though..

I agree entirely, Khan, thay can afford to work both sides of the street. So why AREN'T they?

I'm certainly not going to be a whiny bitch and act like some big company has burned me or anything, that's just pathetic. Frankly anybody who acts like Nintendo OWES them something is just being a whiny twit in my opinion if they shun a company (fer godssakes) because of it.

But, company that they are, they should be more then able to rally the resources to spit out more new, and exceptional IPs. Personally, I think they're flushing a lot of money out there straight down the toilet in not doing so. Gives kids time to save more scratch for another console. Don't get me wrong, big fan of my Wii (har har) and I've got plenty of good games to finish off, but thank the lawd I'm a fortunate enough fella to have been able to afford my 360 awhile back.

As to why they aren't doing more with their development resources, i'm not entirely sure.

They outsourced the new Punch-Out!! to Next Level Games, though, so they must be using their in-house teams for something. Intelligent Systems just got off the Fire Emblem DS game, HAL Labs just got off Kirby Super Star Ultra, the EAD teams are hard back at work, as evidenced here, doing whatever they will. Retro Studios is now an utter mystery, nothing that can be found anywhere. Monolith just got off Disaster, and that's apparently doing poorly at retail. Nintendo Software Technology has also been in a strange way, since their last project was Project HAMMER, which was canned a long time ago. Game Freak finished Pokemon Platinum, and i doubt they'd be put on anything else.

"I agree entirely, Khan, thay can afford to work both sides of the street. So why AREN'T they? "

I'd say they are. Captain Rainbow, Disaster, Fatal Frame, Punch Out and S&P2 all spring to mind. Of course, if NOA refuses to release them...

Also, we don't know what most of the big Nintendo studios are up to. All the EAD teams are now radio silent (although EAD3 is obviously working on Zelda)...Retro has gone dark and so has HAL.
I do echo the sentiment, though, that it would be awesome if Nintendo would make a new franchise with a character that could stand alongside Mario, Link and Samus (and Pit?).

I thought they put the kibosh on Capt Rainbow? :*(

@Twee

It (PS3) actually cost more than they charged to manufacture the console at launch. Most would agree that what cost Sony early on was the lack of compelling exclusive content. Now that some of their top tier IP's have dropped we have seen a boost in sales. Not in all regions mind you but overall things are looking better.

@Samfish

Honestly I loved the direction of Wario Shake It. It had the total package for a 2-D platformer from nintendo. Thats a game I would consider core but at the same time has broader appeal. Obviously not to the same tune as Galaxy but appealing to a wide variety of gamers. I am curious to know how it is selling.

I don't think we need to look to Nintendo to deliver most of the core experiences. They will give us the ususal franchises and take some moderate chances on new IPs. However, it seems the more core games are coming from 3rd parties. The Conduit, onechabura (?) and Madworld come to mind as very specific titles aimed at the core demographic.

The biggest thing that has hurt Nintendo in terms of the core gamer has been the amount of scaled down 3rd party games. Not so much the last gen ports but the current gen ones that have to be scaled down like say The Force Unleased and Brothers In Arms. The Wii versions don't resemble the other multipaltform releases.

I think if Nintendo learned one thing from this gen its to make the next console powerful enough to handle all of the multiplatform titles as the same quality as the other consoles can. If the Wii could play Fallout 3, Dead Space & Far Cry 2 just as good as the PS3 & 360 with no sacrafice in quality there would not be a need for Nintendo to cater to the core as they have to now. They still would appeal to the base and the core by default of their strong franchises like Brawl, Mario Kart, Mario:XXX, Zelda, Batallion Wars & Metroid to name the most popular ones. But, if 3rd party multiplatforms were viable on the Wii the problem would be solved. The network infrastructure would need to be improved but thats do-able.

I think the biggest problem with core & hardcore gamers in terms of the Wii (myself included) is that sometimes we want a Nintendo console to be something it's not. It wouldn't be as big of a deal if they had more frequent releases and the ability to have all of the multiplatforms.

Mine went up on ebay last night, and doing so gave me a certain satisfaction that I'm finally doing the right thing. Time to cash in on holiday profit!

SEGA is the one 3rd party that understands the Wii as well as Nintendo does, since they were always in a similar boat building consoles that relied on their own titles to succeed, thus, they know balance.

I wish Nintendo would hurry up and just buy Sega. Everyone wins. Especially Sonic fans. (Obviously, Sega can no longer be trusted with their mascot.) I'd love to see the team that made Super Mario Sunshine on the latest Sonic title.

Sega hasn't made a good game since 16-bit.

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Actually, I don't think they've ever made a game worth playing, I don't like 2d sonic either.

Uh oh! – I know SOMEONE who never played Space Channel 5!

That was harsh, man. I saw the Dreamcast for the glorious machine that it was, and Sonic Adventure was a staple of my childhood.

I see your SEGA and raise you a Capcom.

Nintendo might as well buy Sega, all the good Sega games recently have been for Nintendo systems. Then maybe Nintendo would make them do a new JSR game for Wii.

Someone just dissed on Streets of Rage, Phantasy Star 2 and 4, Shining Force 1, 2, and 3, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Skies of Arcadia, Vectorman, and Ristar. Don't make me come find you.

Agreed that their quality has dropped substantially after the 16/32-bit era, though.

Or Metroid. Don't forget Metroid.

News like this generates hits, either from naive nintendo fans who think that interviews like this will actually yield something substantial, or more mainstream core gamers looking for a bone to pick. Equally, since Nintendo's new strategy is basically about keeping as mum about the future as possible, journalists don't really have anything better to ask

Mario or Zelda may not be HARDCORE but they are CORE nintendo Ips.

I don't understand why people claim Mario and Zelda aren't hardcore. Zelda isn't exactly difficult, but its size and scope isn't really debatable

Equally with Mario: go play the Trial Galaxies in Galaxy. Haven't seen anything harder in a while

"Hardcore" just seems like a term created by new gamers, who in the past would have stayed on their pc, but now that most pc games are being made for the HD consoles, these "pc light" players are everywhere and like to shit on traditional console games.

Under their definition is there anything on the SNES that is hardcore? Probably not.

I define 'hardcore' as anything that would absolutely put off anyone who doesn't feel like getting into the complexities of the title.

Mario and Zelda aren't hardcore, but don't yell at me, because I'm not one of those fools who equates 'not hardcore' to 'bad' - in fact, SMG is still one of my favorite Wii games, and the Wind Waker is my absolute favorite Gamecube game (well, after Ikaruga. Wasn't fortunate enough to have the DC version).

Hardcore games? Games like the earlier Civilization games, or the Fallout series, or God Hand, etc.

The only other option would be to say, "I MADE these games for 30 years".

You're reading too much into it, methinks.

Oh damn. I hope for our sakes that well made point is completely inaccurate.

I was under the impression that Nintendo's Core gamers are into more "casual" games.. Mario 3, Duck Hunt.. Nintendo made its name with games like that, not new "Hardcore" games..

Did you seriously call the only hard Mario game in the entire series 'casual'? You crazy.

I do agree that most of Nintendo's games aren't 'hardcore', but there's a huge distance you'd have to cross from hardcore to get to casual. Most of Nintendo's games are simply 'core', games that can be enjoyed by casuals but can be truly appreciated by those who are into gaming.

Yeah Twee, that's bullshit. If any game was "hardcore" at the time, it would be SMB3.

No Fukdesu?

Also, rush-releasing a potentially good game with dodgy gameplay, glitches *coughredsteelcough* or graphics that were mediocre on last gen's consoles is a bad idea.

Im looking forward to day of crisis but the graphics are a turn off. yes, yes I said it.

But Nintendo didn't make Red Steel.

The idea that shovelware overshadows the good games somehow is completely absurd.

No, it's very true that shovelware outstrips the quality games.

The myth is that it's somehow an exclusive problem for Nintendo.

I wouldn't say it's completely absurd. I know I've gone to the store before with the intent to buy a game and given up because I didn't feel like pawing past however many crummy games Popcorn Arcade has managed to get on the racks.
It can make impulse buying a bit frustrating sometimes, I guess you could say.