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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:40PM DigTheDoug said

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Disapointing, I seem to remember Oblivion not having any sort of disc verification.

Oh well, I guess a no-cd patch will have to do. Thanks for midly inconveniencing me, dicks!
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 7:37PM Keithustus said

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Pretty sure you needed the disk. Unless you used a 3rd-party fix.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:34PM einhanderkiller said

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Oblivion has a SecuROM disc check, too, but it may have been removed in a patch.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 12:58PM (Unverified) said

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I have Oblivion for PC. It still asks for a disc.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:42PM (Unverified) said

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Bethesda, now you're just asking me to pirate it :P

j/k
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:23PM BigD145 said

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The no-dvd crack has been out for a couple days now. No disc required.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 12:22AM BananaBoat said

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Yeah, but it's just as illegal (probably more-so) than downloading the game itself.

This is absurd. They don't understand that the problem is both that Securom is checking number of installs, AND that Securom is being placed onto my machine PERIOD! I will not spend one cent on any game that puts a rootkit on my machine. Why is this concept so hard for these companies to understand?

Guess what EA, I was going to buy Fallout 3 for PC. Now I'm going to RENT it for Xbox 360. You've just flushed 50 of my dollars down the toilet, but not only that, you've set 50 dollars free to be used on one of your competitors. I probably wasn't going to buy Gears of War 2 till the new year, but now I'll either be getting it, or Valkyria of the Battlefield (or maybe something else, who knows).

Gamefly is reaping the benefits of EA's continued bullshit. This is game number 4 or 5 that I'd probably have bought from EA, that I'll now be renting from Gamefly. To facilitate this, I'll have to keep my Gamefly subscription going every month. In other words, Gamefly wins, EA loses.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 1:04PM (Unverified) said

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to person above me. EA didn't publish this game, Bethesda did.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 1:48PM BananaBoat said

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That's what I get from reading my news from unreliable blogs that assume anything with Securom is published by EA. I stand corrected.

That said, this means that Bethesda chose Securom of their own volition, which is much, much worse. Why would they do this to themselves? I guess since it's a milder implementation of Securom, that almost noone will raise a stink, but any Securom is too much for me. I'm not going to spend another half an hour getting it off of my computer.


(I'd call out the blog with the shoddy information, but by the magic of RSS, I have no idea as I don't have the reader set up that way. This has made me double think that setup)
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 1:58PM (Unverified) said

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Roger that!

n/k
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:45PM Haggard said

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This is a lot better than most games. Sadly I fear EA and Ubisoft are going to make limited installs the norm for PC games. I also note prices seem to be increasing.. £25 for this one, £26 for this one, spore was £30.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:54PM (Unverified) said

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Not really.PC and Console games are always £30 and £40, respectively.Finding them for £25 means you just found a bargain.

Also Ebay/Amazon > Everything Else.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:43PM Haggard said

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Then every PC game I've bought in the last 2 years has been a bargain (amazon)
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:47PM spin cycle said

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Okay, so that sale is off. Is there a patch available yet to remove it?
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:21PM (Unverified) said

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You could buy it, then pirate it.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:41PM spin cycle said

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That's what I was saying. Until I see a no-disc patch, I'm not buying it.

I'm tempted about the idea of using Steam, but there is concern that the mods for Fallout 3 wouldn't all work with the Steam version.

Plus, due to the exceedingly weird way in which I will be getting access to a PC to run it (by converting a laptop Mac temporarily), having to redownload multiple times might be an issue. With a disc I can just put it in any machine.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:16PM iHavePants said

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There are no disc cracks. Or get it off Steam.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:35PM einhanderkiller said

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If you don't want a disc check, buy it on Steam.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:44PM iHavePants said

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Hmm, my post is confusing, it means that there ARE some no-Dvd cracks available. From Reloaded and some random group.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:48PM (Unverified) said

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Seems very reasonable.
People will still whine and use it as an excuse though.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:44PM SheppyReturns said

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Yeah, not reasonable at all. Unless, of course, you're running certain versions of Nero or Roxio Creator or Daemon Tools which SecuRom reads as piracy software and thus, refuses to verify the disc while those programs exist on your system.

Of course you COULD follow Bethesda's tech support and uninstall roughly $200 of software, strip windows down to the built in disc writing utility, so you can run a $50 game you purchased.

Yep, sounds reasonable as all hell. Of course then you just get the WEIRD glitches like somehow an older version of SecuRom read my copy of Battery 3 as piracy software.

Ah developers... I want to give you my money, I really do. But I refuse to strip down the functionality of my $1400 PC for a fucking game.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 7:23PM spin cycle said

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Yep, that's one of the things that kills me. I have software installed on my machine I use for other things, and because of this it won't run.

I see mention out there that there might be a "fix" out somewhere for this problem. aha!
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 9:44AM Slaziman said

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I have Daemon Tools on my PC, and Crysis Warhead runs without a problem. I also got Nero Burning ROM 7.

Haven't had any problems that might be related to SecuRom, except that my computer wouldn't recognize my DVD reader, for which I had to delete some registry file. Dunno if that's a SecuROM issue though.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:49PM Dirty said

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You mean you can put things into my automatic cup holder?
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:50PM (Unverified) said

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Within the first 24 hours the game was released, there was actually an installation problem concerning Windows Live. If you tried to install on more than one computer, the cd-key it requires you to input for Windows Live would get a "usage surpassed" error which prevented you from logging into Windows Live on anything but the initial machine you installed upon, which supposedly broke auto-saves and achievements.

Thankfully they fixed this issue after 24 hours, but those first 24 hours had me thinking this was the worst DRM I'd ever seen. (I install all my games on 2 machines).
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:46PM spin cycle said

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I have to install Windows Live too to play Fallout 3?

Is that what I'm reading?

Please tell me I misunderstood you.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 12:22AM mattimus said

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@why not the LS2LS7?

You don't have to install anything for Windows Live. You can choose to create a Windows Live account if you want so that you can unlock achievements and what not, but it's not a separate install.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 1:52AM spin cycle said

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Thanks for the info mattimus.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:58PM Zertoss said

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I seem to remember that games like Starcraft and Diablo 2 are "protected" by a similar version of SecuROM. They have (or at least had, I guess they ditched it with both games' latest patches) a disc check when you install and play the game and that's it.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:42PM spin cycle said

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I play Starcraft on a Mac. Thus no SecurROM at all.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 11:52PM Crono141 said

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There are methods other than SecuROM for checking of discs. But even SecuROM can be fooled with a proper image.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 10:58AM Bslashingu said

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Um... No.

Neither of those games have SecuROM on them. Don't associate CD protection with SecuROM. Diablo 2 and Starcraft have a simple CD check and a CD-key check.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:04PM KeenCommander said

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And...back on my "must buy" list!

I don't, honestly, have a problem with disc checks. If it's a game I'm going to keep on my computer forever I might bother with the no-CD patch for it, but in general - having to keep the disc in is really no big deal.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:43PM spin cycle said

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I don't mind disc checks. What I don't like is these invasive schemes like SecureROM. See the person below who has problems with his Lite-On drive.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 11:02AM Bslashingu said

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It's not the CD check that's bothering people, it's the fact that the thing has to check to make sure that you're not running software on your computer that is normally used for piracy, that they may be running for legitimate purposes.

If they go out and buy the game, and they try to install it with these pieces of software (SecuROM is VERY sensitive to what programs it flags) then it will prevent you from installing the game, and you have to go on a hunt on your computer to track down and strip everything that is causing a problem.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:07PM HevecK said

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Honestly, this is exactly why I went out and bought the game. I don't have a problem with SecureRom checking my disc, it's the same concept implemented on both the 360 and PS3.

Bethesda, thank you for not crippling the game. EA and Ubisoft, I gladly pirated your games for turning up your nose to me as a consumer. You screw me I screw you!
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:49PM SheppyReturns said

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What kind of logic IS this, exactly? So to show EA and Ubisoft how screwed up they are for putting in invasive anti-piracy measures, you're going to pirate to prove to them they lost a sale? I hate to break this to you BUUUUUUT, every copy downloaded is another notch EA and Ubisoft can point to as the noose gets tighter. YOU'RE proving their points.

You could NOT be a fucktard and say "fine, if these companies want to prove they don't want my consumer money, I'll give it to a company that does." You are NOT entitled to a free game just because you don't like these anti-piracy measures. You ARE entitled to just not get the game. In this holiday season, just give the money to companies that AREN'T being dicks.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 11:35PM aristokrat said

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A better way to get your point across would be to mail cracked and pirated versions back to EA/Ubisoft. Think if they got a pile of DVD-R's of Spore that will play on any computer and any number of computers, with a note saying "I didn't play this, and I don't ever want to because your DRM sucks (which, by the way, doesn't work anyway)." Then take a picture and send it to a stockholder's meeting. I'm sure they're paying some millions of dollars in licensing to use SecuROM, yet it doesn't do anything. The stockholders would probably be happy to hear that after EA's second straight negative quarter.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 3:09AM Ordeith said

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No, it is not the same concept.

There is checking for the disc, and there is using SecuRom to check for the disc.

To be the same as a 360 check, the software that verified the game disc would break other important functionality, like preventing your Rock Band controllers from working with your console ever again.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 3:10AM Ordeith said

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No, it is not the same concept.

There is checking for the disc, and there is using SecuRom to check for the disc.

To be the same as a 360 check, the software that verified the game disc would break other important functionality, like preventing your Rock Band controllers from working with your console ever again.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:22PM (Unverified) said

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Of course, if you downloaded it via Steam this does not apply to you.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:28PM (Unverified) said

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Actually, you don't even need a no-cd crack. Just create a shortcut from the Fallout3.exe file in the program files folder to your desktop, and voila, no more CD-Check. Legal, easy, and no hassle.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 3:39AM Zak Canard said

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I've tried it and it works like a charm! Cheers for the heads up on that one.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 8:18PM Alphathon said

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Wait, so making a shortcut to the game gets around the CD check? If so then there is a serious problem with their CD check, and I meen REALLY serious. I meen its fine for people like me who baught the game, but it kinda defeats the object a little, and makes it REALLY easy to pirate (if it is true, it's even easier to pirate than most 10-15 year old games lol). I'll have to check this out when my copy finally arrives (damn play.com, they didnt even have enough copies to satisfy the preorders, so my custom goes to amazon instead...nd I save 1p, so its all good lol)
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Posted: Nov 4th 2008 12:37PM Alphathon said

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Sorry for double posting, but I just thought I'd mention, yes, making a shortcut to Fallout3.exe DOES get around the CD check. What on earth were Bethesda thinking? It'll probably get patched out at some point I guess though.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:31PM (Unverified) said

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"The Bethesda blog notes that SecuROM is only present in the PC version of Fallout 3 to verify the game disc."

Incidentally, this version of SecuROM hates my On-Lite DVD drive. It look longer than 65 min. to install Fallout 3 on a system running an e6750 2.66 GHz processor and with 2 GB Ram. Not an excellent system, I know, but I've installed larger games in faster than an hour!
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:48PM Special Agent Steve said

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Yeah it took me a while too, so don't feel bad. I personally think it's excellent.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:48PM StevenM said

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i got it on steam so...no secROM for me
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:50PM SheppyReturns said

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*giggles*

I love playing pretend too.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 11:06AM Bslashingu said

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Hate to break it to ya, dude. I dunno how to say this... but...

You've got it too.
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