Bethesda's post-Oblivion, post-apocalyptic epic, Fallout 3, is the latest star in the ongoing "Does my PC game use SecuROM or not?" saga. Never fear, increasingly vocal consumers, for this implementation of the notorious and largely ineffectual anti-piracy software is considerably more basic than that found in other recent releases.
Content with leaving the digital management up to consumers, the Bethesda blog notes that SecuROM is only present in the PC version of Fallout 3 to verify the game disc. "We do NOT limit the number of installs. We do NOT use online authentication or any other SecuROM functionality except for a disc check when you install the game and when you launch the game." The post further reads, "We do not install any other programs and we don't have anything that runs in the background while you're playing the game."
If you're still having trouble launching the game, Bethesda suggests you run "setup.exe" directly off the disc. Also, make sure you put the disc shiny side down in the tray. We make that mistake all the time.
Reader Comments (77)
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:40PM DigTheDoug said
Disapointing, I seem to remember Oblivion not having any sort of disc verification.
Oh well, I guess a no-cd patch will have to do. Thanks for midly inconveniencing me, dicks!
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Oh well, I guess a no-cd patch will have to do. Thanks for midly inconveniencing me, dicks!
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 7:37PM Keithustus said
Pretty sure you needed the disk. Unless you used a 3rd-party fix.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:34PM einhanderkiller said
Oblivion has a SecuROM disc check, too, but it may have been removed in a patch.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 12:58PM (Unverified) said
I have Oblivion for PC. It still asks for a disc.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:42PM (Unverified) said
Bethesda, now you're just asking me to pirate it :P
j/k
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j/k
Posted: Oct 31st 2008 12:22AM BananaBoat said
Yeah, but it's just as illegal (probably more-so) than downloading the game itself.
This is absurd. They don't understand that the problem is both that Securom is checking number of installs, AND that Securom is being placed onto my machine PERIOD! I will not spend one cent on any game that puts a rootkit on my machine. Why is this concept so hard for these companies to understand?
Guess what EA, I was going to buy Fallout 3 for PC. Now I'm going to RENT it for Xbox 360. You've just flushed 50 of my dollars down the toilet, but not only that, you've set 50 dollars free to be used on one of your competitors. I probably wasn't going to buy Gears of War 2 till the new year, but now I'll either be getting it, or Valkyria of the Battlefield (or maybe something else, who knows).
Gamefly is reaping the benefits of EA's continued bullshit. This is game number 4 or 5 that I'd probably have bought from EA, that I'll now be renting from Gamefly. To facilitate this, I'll have to keep my Gamefly subscription going every month. In other words, Gamefly wins, EA loses.
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This is absurd. They don't understand that the problem is both that Securom is checking number of installs, AND that Securom is being placed onto my machine PERIOD! I will not spend one cent on any game that puts a rootkit on my machine. Why is this concept so hard for these companies to understand?
Guess what EA, I was going to buy Fallout 3 for PC. Now I'm going to RENT it for Xbox 360. You've just flushed 50 of my dollars down the toilet, but not only that, you've set 50 dollars free to be used on one of your competitors. I probably wasn't going to buy Gears of War 2 till the new year, but now I'll either be getting it, or Valkyria of the Battlefield (or maybe something else, who knows).
Gamefly is reaping the benefits of EA's continued bullshit. This is game number 4 or 5 that I'd probably have bought from EA, that I'll now be renting from Gamefly. To facilitate this, I'll have to keep my Gamefly subscription going every month. In other words, Gamefly wins, EA loses.
Posted: Oct 31st 2008 1:04PM (Unverified) said
to person above me. EA didn't publish this game, Bethesda did.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 1:48PM BananaBoat said
That's what I get from reading my news from unreliable blogs that assume anything with Securom is published by EA. I stand corrected.
That said, this means that Bethesda chose Securom of their own volition, which is much, much worse. Why would they do this to themselves? I guess since it's a milder implementation of Securom, that almost noone will raise a stink, but any Securom is too much for me. I'm not going to spend another half an hour getting it off of my computer.
(I'd call out the blog with the shoddy information, but by the magic of RSS, I have no idea as I don't have the reader set up that way. This has made me double think that setup)
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That said, this means that Bethesda chose Securom of their own volition, which is much, much worse. Why would they do this to themselves? I guess since it's a milder implementation of Securom, that almost noone will raise a stink, but any Securom is too much for me. I'm not going to spend another half an hour getting it off of my computer.
(I'd call out the blog with the shoddy information, but by the magic of RSS, I have no idea as I don't have the reader set up that way. This has made me double think that setup)
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:54PM (Unverified) said
Not really.PC and Console games are always £30 and £40, respectively.Finding them for £25 means you just found a bargain.
Also Ebay/Amazon > Everything Else.
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Also Ebay/Amazon > Everything Else.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:47PM spin cycle said
Okay, so that sale is off. Is there a patch available yet to remove it?
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:41PM spin cycle said
That's what I was saying. Until I see a no-disc patch, I'm not buying it.
I'm tempted about the idea of using Steam, but there is concern that the mods for Fallout 3 wouldn't all work with the Steam version.
Plus, due to the exceedingly weird way in which I will be getting access to a PC to run it (by converting a laptop Mac temporarily), having to redownload multiple times might be an issue. With a disc I can just put it in any machine.
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I'm tempted about the idea of using Steam, but there is concern that the mods for Fallout 3 wouldn't all work with the Steam version.
Plus, due to the exceedingly weird way in which I will be getting access to a PC to run it (by converting a laptop Mac temporarily), having to redownload multiple times might be an issue. With a disc I can just put it in any machine.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:35PM einhanderkiller said
If you don't want a disc check, buy it on Steam.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 8:44PM iHavePants said
Hmm, my post is confusing, it means that there ARE some no-Dvd cracks available. From Reloaded and some random group.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:48PM (Unverified) said
Seems very reasonable.
People will still whine and use it as an excuse though.
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People will still whine and use it as an excuse though.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:44PM SheppyReturns said
Yeah, not reasonable at all. Unless, of course, you're running certain versions of Nero or Roxio Creator or Daemon Tools which SecuRom reads as piracy software and thus, refuses to verify the disc while those programs exist on your system.
Of course you COULD follow Bethesda's tech support and uninstall roughly $200 of software, strip windows down to the built in disc writing utility, so you can run a $50 game you purchased.
Yep, sounds reasonable as all hell. Of course then you just get the WEIRD glitches like somehow an older version of SecuRom read my copy of Battery 3 as piracy software.
Ah developers... I want to give you my money, I really do. But I refuse to strip down the functionality of my $1400 PC for a fucking game.
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Of course you COULD follow Bethesda's tech support and uninstall roughly $200 of software, strip windows down to the built in disc writing utility, so you can run a $50 game you purchased.
Yep, sounds reasonable as all hell. Of course then you just get the WEIRD glitches like somehow an older version of SecuRom read my copy of Battery 3 as piracy software.
Ah developers... I want to give you my money, I really do. But I refuse to strip down the functionality of my $1400 PC for a fucking game.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 7:23PM spin cycle said
Yep, that's one of the things that kills me. I have software installed on my machine I use for other things, and because of this it won't run.
I see mention out there that there might be a "fix" out somewhere for this problem. aha!
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I see mention out there that there might be a "fix" out somewhere for this problem. aha!
Posted: Oct 31st 2008 9:44AM Slaziman said
I have Daemon Tools on my PC, and Crysis Warhead runs without a problem. I also got Nero Burning ROM 7.
Haven't had any problems that might be related to SecuRom, except that my computer wouldn't recognize my DVD reader, for which I had to delete some registry file. Dunno if that's a SecuROM issue though.
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Haven't had any problems that might be related to SecuRom, except that my computer wouldn't recognize my DVD reader, for which I had to delete some registry file. Dunno if that's a SecuROM issue though.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:50PM (Unverified) said
Within the first 24 hours the game was released, there was actually an installation problem concerning Windows Live. If you tried to install on more than one computer, the cd-key it requires you to input for Windows Live would get a "usage surpassed" error which prevented you from logging into Windows Live on anything but the initial machine you installed upon, which supposedly broke auto-saves and achievements.
Thankfully they fixed this issue after 24 hours, but those first 24 hours had me thinking this was the worst DRM I'd ever seen. (I install all my games on 2 machines).
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Thankfully they fixed this issue after 24 hours, but those first 24 hours had me thinking this was the worst DRM I'd ever seen. (I install all my games on 2 machines).
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:46PM spin cycle said
I have to install Windows Live too to play Fallout 3?
Is that what I'm reading?
Please tell me I misunderstood you.
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Is that what I'm reading?
Please tell me I misunderstood you.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 5:58PM Zertoss said
I seem to remember that games like Starcraft and Diablo 2 are "protected" by a similar version of SecuROM. They have (or at least had, I guess they ditched it with both games' latest patches) a disc check when you install and play the game and that's it.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:42PM spin cycle said
I play Starcraft on a Mac. Thus no SecurROM at all.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 10:58AM Bslashingu said
Um... No.
Neither of those games have SecuROM on them. Don't associate CD protection with SecuROM. Diablo 2 and Starcraft have a simple CD check and a CD-key check.
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Neither of those games have SecuROM on them. Don't associate CD protection with SecuROM. Diablo 2 and Starcraft have a simple CD check and a CD-key check.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:04PM KeenCommander said
And...back on my "must buy" list!
I don't, honestly, have a problem with disc checks. If it's a game I'm going to keep on my computer forever I might bother with the no-CD patch for it, but in general - having to keep the disc in is really no big deal.
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I don't, honestly, have a problem with disc checks. If it's a game I'm going to keep on my computer forever I might bother with the no-CD patch for it, but in general - having to keep the disc in is really no big deal.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:43PM spin cycle said
I don't mind disc checks. What I don't like is these invasive schemes like SecureROM. See the person below who has problems with his Lite-On drive.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 11:02AM Bslashingu said
It's not the CD check that's bothering people, it's the fact that the thing has to check to make sure that you're not running software on your computer that is normally used for piracy, that they may be running for legitimate purposes.
If they go out and buy the game, and they try to install it with these pieces of software (SecuROM is VERY sensitive to what programs it flags) then it will prevent you from installing the game, and you have to go on a hunt on your computer to track down and strip everything that is causing a problem.
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If they go out and buy the game, and they try to install it with these pieces of software (SecuROM is VERY sensitive to what programs it flags) then it will prevent you from installing the game, and you have to go on a hunt on your computer to track down and strip everything that is causing a problem.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:07PM HevecK said
Honestly, this is exactly why I went out and bought the game. I don't have a problem with SecureRom checking my disc, it's the same concept implemented on both the 360 and PS3.
Bethesda, thank you for not crippling the game. EA and Ubisoft, I gladly pirated your games for turning up your nose to me as a consumer. You screw me I screw you!
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Bethesda, thank you for not crippling the game. EA and Ubisoft, I gladly pirated your games for turning up your nose to me as a consumer. You screw me I screw you!
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:49PM SheppyReturns said
What kind of logic IS this, exactly? So to show EA and Ubisoft how screwed up they are for putting in invasive anti-piracy measures, you're going to pirate to prove to them they lost a sale? I hate to break this to you BUUUUUUT, every copy downloaded is another notch EA and Ubisoft can point to as the noose gets tighter. YOU'RE proving their points.
You could NOT be a fucktard and say "fine, if these companies want to prove they don't want my consumer money, I'll give it to a company that does." You are NOT entitled to a free game just because you don't like these anti-piracy measures. You ARE entitled to just not get the game. In this holiday season, just give the money to companies that AREN'T being dicks.
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You could NOT be a fucktard and say "fine, if these companies want to prove they don't want my consumer money, I'll give it to a company that does." You are NOT entitled to a free game just because you don't like these anti-piracy measures. You ARE entitled to just not get the game. In this holiday season, just give the money to companies that AREN'T being dicks.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 11:35PM aristokrat said
A better way to get your point across would be to mail cracked and pirated versions back to EA/Ubisoft. Think if they got a pile of DVD-R's of Spore that will play on any computer and any number of computers, with a note saying "I didn't play this, and I don't ever want to because your DRM sucks (which, by the way, doesn't work anyway)." Then take a picture and send it to a stockholder's meeting. I'm sure they're paying some millions of dollars in licensing to use SecuROM, yet it doesn't do anything. The stockholders would probably be happy to hear that after EA's second straight negative quarter.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 3:09AM Ordeith said
No, it is not the same concept.
There is checking for the disc, and there is using SecuRom to check for the disc.
To be the same as a 360 check, the software that verified the game disc would break other important functionality, like preventing your Rock Band controllers from working with your console ever again.
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There is checking for the disc, and there is using SecuRom to check for the disc.
To be the same as a 360 check, the software that verified the game disc would break other important functionality, like preventing your Rock Band controllers from working with your console ever again.
Posted: Oct 31st 2008 3:10AM Ordeith said
No, it is not the same concept.
There is checking for the disc, and there is using SecuRom to check for the disc.
To be the same as a 360 check, the software that verified the game disc would break other important functionality, like preventing your Rock Band controllers from working with your console ever again.
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There is checking for the disc, and there is using SecuRom to check for the disc.
To be the same as a 360 check, the software that verified the game disc would break other important functionality, like preventing your Rock Band controllers from working with your console ever again.
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:22PM (Unverified) said
Of course, if you downloaded it via Steam this does not apply to you.
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:28PM (Unverified) said
Actually, you don't even need a no-cd crack. Just create a shortcut from the Fallout3.exe file in the program files folder to your desktop, and voila, no more CD-Check. Legal, easy, and no hassle.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 3:39AM Zak Canard said
I've tried it and it works like a charm! Cheers for the heads up on that one.
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Posted: Nov 2nd 2008 8:18PM Alphathon said
Wait, so making a shortcut to the game gets around the CD check? If so then there is a serious problem with their CD check, and I meen REALLY serious. I meen its fine for people like me who baught the game, but it kinda defeats the object a little, and makes it REALLY easy to pirate (if it is true, it's even easier to pirate than most 10-15 year old games lol). I'll have to check this out when my copy finally arrives (damn play.com, they didnt even have enough copies to satisfy the preorders, so my custom goes to amazon instead...nd I save 1p, so its all good lol)
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Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:31PM (Unverified) said
"The Bethesda blog notes that SecuROM is only present in the PC version of Fallout 3 to verify the game disc."
Incidentally, this version of SecuROM hates my On-Lite DVD drive. It look longer than 65 min. to install Fallout 3 on a system running an e6750 2.66 GHz processor and with 2 GB Ram. Not an excellent system, I know, but I've installed larger games in faster than an hour!
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Incidentally, this version of SecuROM hates my On-Lite DVD drive. It look longer than 65 min. to install Fallout 3 on a system running an e6750 2.66 GHz processor and with 2 GB Ram. Not an excellent system, I know, but I've installed larger games in faster than an hour!
Posted: Oct 30th 2008 6:48PM Special Agent Steve said
Yeah it took me a while too, so don't feel bad. I personally think it's excellent.
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Posted: Oct 31st 2008 11:06AM Bslashingu said
Hate to break it to ya, dude. I dunno how to say this... but...
You've got it too.
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You've got it too.
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