LittleBigPlanet levels being deleted with no warning or explanation
Affected parties have noticed that the moderations have erased levels which mention (to varying degrees) copyrighted IPs. For instance, that remarkable God of War level that everyone probably played during beta? It is no more. The gaggle of Super Mario Bros. reimaginings? Yeah, those are gone too. Our personal favorite -- a level titled "Failure to Launch" was deleted, supposedly for using the title of a 2006 McConnaughey-infused romantic comedy. Sadly, our very own magnum opus also fell beneath the axe -- yes, "Maid in Manhattan" is gone, and no amount of protest will bring it back.
Moderators of the engulfed LBP forums have promised to implement a stronger feedback system to explain why levels are disappearing -- though their unwavering stance on copyrighted content has officially been displayed. Our lesson has certainly been learned -- we'll be keeping our rom-com-based creations to ourselves from now on.
[Via Kotaku]
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
LAZoftheTamarinds @ Nov 9th 2008 2:03PM
(Let's out a Darth Vader styled:)
NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Markez @ Nov 9th 2008 2:13PM
Wait, when does Darth Vader ever do that? I'm trying to picture it, and just can't do it.
And gosh, side note, thanks for link to Failure to Lauch on imdb :P I can count on one hand the # of chick flicks I've relented to and seen in the theaters, this was one of them. Thank the lawd for my girlfriend's love of horror movies and crass comedies.
Babel @ Nov 9th 2008 2:21PM
He howls at the end of Revenge of the Sith. It's widely considered to be the greatest Star Wars moment, save for Jar Jar Binks's hysterical catchphrases.
Chin-Poh @ Nov 9th 2008 2:21PM
Markez, he does that near the end of Episode 3 when he finds out Padme died.
Markez @ Nov 9th 2008 2:32PM
Ah, alrighty, think I tried to erase the memory of having seen the first 3 from my brain.
LaughingTarget @ Nov 9th 2008 3:20PM
Wait, there are more than three Star Wars movies? Next thing you'll tell me is that the entire Empire was wiped out by midget bears throwing logs at AT-STs.
Xanto @ Nov 9th 2008 4:48PM
You're kidding right?
BananaBoat @ Nov 9th 2008 4:54PM
If only George Lucas stopped at Episode 3....he's still making garbage like the clone wars and the new KOTOR game (MMO FTL) not to mention the upcoming TV series.
As for getting rid of LBP levels...WTF Sony, seriously, how long do you think you can keep it up? People will find a way to back levels up for posterity, and if they have to be shared via BT or a fan website, then so be it.
I'm so pissed right now. I have little interest in playing LBP levels that aren't based on existing IP's, so this is a huge blow. Sure, there are some fun and original levels, but not as many as there are levels based on IP's. Booooo Sony. Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
BigD145 @ Nov 9th 2008 6:41PM
Episode 3? Never heard of it.
D_Average @ Nov 9th 2008 7:27PM
Biggest day one disappointment purchase I've ever made.
Just sayin....
pal @ Nov 10th 2008 4:37AM
(Let's out a Darth Vader styled:)
DO NOT WANT
Archon @ Nov 9th 2008 2:08PM
Wow... But do we really need them being called 'Super Mario Bros Level!!'? Just rebrand them to remove any base for deletion. (Giana Sisters anyone?).
Haggard @ Nov 9th 2008 3:28PM
Italian Plumber Stage 1!
mr nimblewick @ Nov 9th 2008 4:28PM
Amazing Guiseppe Siblings - Country 1
"This is I - Guiseppe!"
Moptimus Slime @ Nov 9th 2008 10:09PM
The Fungi Kingdom featuring Jumpman!
Mike @ Nov 10th 2008 1:32AM
As long as it's Gianna Michaels
Bucket @ Nov 10th 2008 10:08AM
You win 180 Awesome Points for the C64 reference.
Jimiisama @ Nov 10th 2008 3:38PM
I believe they physically removed the levels from the player's HD's too. So they wouldn't be able to just rename them; but for the future, it would be wise to not name your level after something copywritten.
Huey2k2 @ Nov 9th 2008 2:08PM
I don't own a PS3, probably never will, and probably never will own LBP.
But I do have to say, this is really shitty, I'd be pretty pissed if I had worked my ass off to make a really cool level and it got deleted because of copyright issues.
Lame.
Wulile @ Nov 10th 2008 1:31AM
Does this mean the level I made that looks my dong will be removed cause it's copying something that already exists? Or would it only apply if my dong is protected under copyright?
j.howlett @ Nov 9th 2008 2:11PM
that god of war level was awesome
Hyams @ Nov 9th 2008 2:38PM
I know, it's a real shame. It was one of the best user created levels so far, so I'm dissapointed we've lost it.
And as others have pointed out, it's pretty stupid too. I mean, Sony own the GoW IP, and there's even Kratos costume for your sackboy to wear. It seems really bizarre that they'd delete it.
Ignatius @ Nov 9th 2008 2:39PM
Well, it may just be like Apple with their Appstore, they're trying to find a way to make a profit off of their own IPs, so don't doubt that there might be a GoW level coming up for DLC sooner or later.
Hyams @ Nov 9th 2008 2:56PM
Nevertheless, it was only the art style and name that made the game GoW-like at all. (And even then, only barely.)
If an official GoW level was made as charged DLC, the amateur one wouldn't affect its sales at all, as they'd be completely different to one another.
Jeremy White @ Nov 9th 2008 3:24PM
Considering they own the rights to the level, couldn't they delete it from the user and servers and render the first edition unplayable, turn around and sell it for DLC without the user getting as much as a dime?
j.howlett @ Nov 9th 2008 3:38PM
i think a way around this is to make the levels how you want, just don't name them after games and don't have pictures in the stuff.
happy_stick @ Nov 10th 2008 12:55AM
the GoW level was probably moderated due to the human sacrifice and not so much on copyright infringement.
Derwin @ Nov 10th 2008 10:02AM
In other news, Sony Computer Entertainment sues Sony Computer Entertainment over unlicensed use of God of War in LBP. SCE is expected to react by hiding a Sackboy in God of War IV.
UltimateQ @ Nov 9th 2008 2:12PM
That blows ass! But at least you can respect that they tell you straight up where they stand.
Markez @ Nov 9th 2008 2:19PM
Well, no, I think that is the point. There isn't a great amount of clarity on why many levels are being taken down, so people don't know exactly where they stand. Hence the mention of a promise of a "stronger feedback" system to explain.
MarkHawk @ Nov 9th 2008 2:14PM
I haven't logged in many hours but for all the hype this thing had at take off, its a shame to see it nose diving back to earth.
what a load of BS.
Neuromancer @ Nov 9th 2008 2:15PM
You can't copyright a title so if that's why the "Failure to Launch" level was deleted, that's completely unfounded.
This really sucks, I knew this game was too good to be true. I guess there can be some clever workarounds but still.
God of War, Sony owns that, why would they take it out? Makes no sense.
WiredKnight @ Nov 9th 2008 2:24PM
Ever hear of a Trademark? Read up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
Good point about Sony owning GoW though.
Haggard @ Nov 9th 2008 2:27PM
Was just thinking about that. Perhaps they plan to release some paid-for God of War DLC when GoW3 is near release?
Neuromancer @ Nov 9th 2008 2:28PM
With all due respect YOU CAN NOT COPYRIGHT A TITLE, I'm telling you, just trust me on this one.
(Haven't you ever seen a porn?)
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/JohnBuckWLD/you_cant_copyright_a_title__porn_films_unoriginal_title_expropriations___rated_nc_17/
Platy @ Nov 9th 2008 2:55PM
SONY owns that
not the player who made the level =P
WiredKnight @ Nov 9th 2008 2:56PM
Uh, I never said you could. It's a similar idea though. You copyright Intellectual Properties. You trademark how you identify it, i.e. the title/logo.
"Infringement may occur when one party uses a trademark which is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark owned by another party."
LaughingTarget @ Nov 9th 2008 3:24PM
The movie's title used a common phrase, it can't be trademarked either. It's like Columbia Tri-Star trying to trademark the word snatch, it just won't happen. Just like how the guy that tried to trademark Y2K back in 1999 got shot down by the courts.
nonpareil @ Nov 9th 2008 3:32PM
@WiredKnight: Learn a thing or two about trademark before you get all armchair lawyer on us. Trademark infringement requires some likelihood of consumer confusion. Who the hell would think that a LittleBigPlanet level titled "Failure to Launch" would have *anything* to do with the movie of the same title? No confusion.
As for the rest of this story -- wow, way to dissuade creative folks from making levels built on the spirit and ethos of existent IPs.
Weak.
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 9th 2008 2:15PM
Leave it to sony and companies working with them to fuck everything up. They really screwed this game up leading up to launch and right after.
It's too bad cause I played some really awesome levels in the beta and most had references to some form of copyrighted material in one way or another. There were very few 100% original levels that I played that were any good.
Markez @ Nov 9th 2008 2:21PM
I wonder if this means the Gradius level will be coming down?
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 9th 2008 2:30PM
Most likely it's going to be taken down. I mean, they took down a god of war level and that's something sony itself owns. Next thing you know they're going to take away the kratos and nariko sackboys/girls that they gave for preordering.
Ayrkain @ Nov 9th 2008 2:31PM
Activision is doing it also, although most (if not all) of this should be covered under fair use. Copyright is so friggin' broken.
Cesaria (GT: Cesaria360; PSN: Cesaria) @ Nov 9th 2008 8:47PM
What's your PSN tmac?
tmacairjordan87 @ Nov 9th 2008 10:31PM
PSN- tmacairjordan87
Live- lmacairjordan87
Nter @ Nov 9th 2008 2:18PM
Is it just me or is this game turning into the exact opposite of what everyone expected(not gameplay wise)?
SoulBlade @ Nov 9th 2008 4:31PM
Well put. This is one of the worst things Sony could have done. They had a hit on their hands, actually touted the user generated content as being the big deal, and then go ahead and take it away.
Did Sony not think users would emulate games? That's the first thing pretty much anybody thought of when they heard about the level creation system. Idiots.
I wonder if using the GoW level pack will automatically get a level pulled.
Cellien @ Nov 9th 2008 6:51PM
Yes, actually I have been quite let down by it. It started with the gameplay. Fun, but far from revolutionary. Then, the level editor was less game like and more...work. It just isn't fun to use. Then, initially the down servers were a major disaster and left a bad taste in my mouth. Finally, once the servers were up, I've been feverishly searching for spin-off levels of known IPs just to chuckly while playing. Now, the very thing I DO find fun about the game is getting shut down. >:(
Nick8708 @ Nov 10th 2008 3:20AM
I've had fun with the editor, but haven't produced any playable levels. The fun comes just from messing around and trying to construct things. My roommate and I spent hours trying to build a workable rocket ship out of, well, basically anything we could scrap off of existing objects (we hadn't figured out where all that stuff was yet). It was great!
DarkNessBear @ Nov 10th 2008 5:19AM
Haha, YA REALLY! They GAVE us a level kit for God of War! Ahaha! This is such a load of crap, media molecule are a bunch of dicks anyways. They don't do anything nice to the users... still have the same media molecule guys as the "Players of the day" and none of them made any levels.
Anyways, I just finished my Little Dead Space level, based off Dead Space. And I literally spent around 10-15 hours making it... if they take it down, i'm going to flip.
"Little Dead Space" created by, DARKNESSBEAR