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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:48PM (Unverified) said

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War...is...hell....and it's a WAR game, so you should expect these things when playing a WWII game against the Japanese...this should be no surprise....it seems about every time some type of old war game comes out or a futuristic war game, there's someone complaining
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:32PM TangoCharlie said

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Think of the potential the game would have had if instead of doing the parallel pacific theatre/russian front stories, they did the pacific theatre thing and then a storyline about one of the Japanese-Americans who fought for USA in Europe...
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:33PM RenegadeR said

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I am a Canadian born Chinese with a wife originally from mainland China...As a gamer and avid anime fan, I was always confused why my wife had such a hatred towards Japan...well...a trip to Nanjing totally turned my head to the truth. There were many things that the Japanese did during the World War II events and it is best that they are ACKNOWELEDGED. The reason for all the hate is that so much effort is being taken to ensure the world forgets about that piece of history. All the children in Japan are being taught that their motherland did no wrong and those massacres were only 'incidents'. Here we are, avid young gamers worshiping Japan for all its useless commerce products which in turn overshadow a part of history which we should all know.

One good turn of recent events though...at least that disrespectful Japanese prime minister is no longer in power.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:43PM (Unverified) said

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Well said. By the same token, it sickens me that most of my fellow US citizens will constantly rationalize their own country's WW2 interment camps *just* because "Well, at least they weren't as bad as the Nazi's camps!" What? So they weren't *AS* bad?? So fucking what?!?
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:35PM Triforceowner said

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A lot of people are questioning Ransom-Wiley's distinction between Nazis and Japanese soldiers. Remember, Ransom-Wiley said "Nazi" not "German." The German people have had a miserable existence. Remember it was Germans who were sentenced to the gas chambers in World War II. It was Germans who had to deal with centuries of warfare the rest of Europe waged on the Germans' soil. For the same reason I would not condemn a German during World War II, I would not condemn a Japanese person during World War II. There is a difference between a German and a Nazi, and there is a difference between a Nazi and a Japanese person. This is why people like Ransom-Wiley and me are fine with shooting Nazis in video games and not fine with shooting Japanese. No one ever presents their World War II shooter as the game in which you attack German soldier, so this creates a problem when fighting the Japanese. There is not acceptable term for a basically evil Japanese person.

Conclusion:
German=/=Nazi
German=Japanese
Japanese=/=Nazi

That's what I'm saying, and what I believe Ransom-Wiley is saying as well. There's a difference between a Nazi and a Japanese soldier.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:36PM dukefett said

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I really can't believe this was an actual story on this site.

A) It's a game
B) How many people did the japanese army kill, any one here of the bataan death march? Read about it.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March

Here's a though, which battles were tougher on americans? We didn't use the atomic bomb on the nazis, the japanese would have never given up if we hadn't nuked them. WE HAD TO DO IT TWICE BEFORE THEY SURRENDERED!

As an American, I have absolutely no regret about using that bomb, I'm glad we did.

Japanese soldiers in WWII are no better than Nazi soldiers.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:34PM (Unverified) said

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So razing 70,000+ civilians, along with some American POW's, Chinese labourers and Japanese-American citizens is justified when the enemy doesn't give up fast enough? Rubbish.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:42PM dukefett said

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It wasn't that they weren't giving up fast enough, THEY WERE NEVER GOING TO GIVE UP in a ground war, to the last man they would have fought. America looked at the amount of dead they had from taking small islands and did not want to see that again in any attempt to take the mainland.

It is a WAR, and I doubt most of us here can even comprehend that, nor the magnitude world war 2 was.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 8:11PM (Unverified) said

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Hang on - Germany also fought to the last man, they where even using the Hitler Youth! They didn't give up until the last possible moment (i.e. when Hitler shot himself), so I don't see why the Japanese had to be nuked TWICE. Also, intentionally killing thousands of civilians to make your enemy back down seems more like terrorism to me than anything else - and if that aint a war crime, then I don't know what is.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:36PM Muu said

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...and the comments section turns into a clusterfuck.

Every time something like this all sides ignore some part of the events that occurred to justify their side of things. All sides did heinous acts, some more serious than others. Apologies were made, some more sincerely than others. Some were accepted, others apparently weren't because some sides are still angry at others. Some powers shifted, some countries became ripe targets as a scapegoat from some other countries (especially when business in their home country turn sour).

Of course this is bound to happen, as many people have already pointed out -- factual/theoretical books favoring the Japanese will be popular for them; wartime horrors will be favored by everyone else; American heroics will obviously get tons of attention from the Red White and Blues. Not everything will get translated for everyone else to see, and even when they do it won't reach a significant number of people. Even when they do, unfavorable facts get tossed out of the equation. People will deny this happens, but it does on every side.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:37PM (Unverified) said

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James post is racist, whether it's subconscious or not. If the only time you balk at killing is when it involves your own race, what else would you call it?
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:37PM CyberKnight said

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I think most everything has already been said (for the record, I'm in the "I don't deny it happened; if they want to portray it, fine; I don't care to re-live it, even if it is just a game, not for me, thanks" camp -- made for some really long and awkward campfire songs).

I just wanted to add one thing, on the subject of those who think it would be interesting to add a Hiroshima/Nagasaki level. I'm not sure what it would add/detract from W@W, since I haven't played the campaign (obviously), but I will say that the nuke level in COD4 had a profound effect on me. That was something I thought about for days afterward. And that was based on fiction.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:38PM z2two said

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its a fun game and there is nothing that is going to stop me from playing it. When i play games, i try can distinguish what is reality and what is fiction, even if they show real life execution, i see that as part of the game..
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:40PM (Unverified) said

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While I may be able to intellectually understand your pain I don't share it because my heritage is different.

One thing I think you're missing here is that most of Nazi Germany was just normal everyday people caught up into a monstrous situation. The Japanese empire was a situation that wasn't much different. I think there are very few people who would associate the Japanese of the past with modern Japanese. The same as the Germans. What you have here is a personal issue in which you've not let go of the past and it's causing you a problem.

To be frank, to sit there and happily kill the Nazi's (who were in most cases, just average Germans) because of some ideological belief that somehow makes this ok, but not to accept it when the Japanese were doing the much the same thing in the Pacific seems to be a bit of a double-standard.

The early 20th century up until WWII was a very different place and to pass our current moral judgments would be sad. It was a different time and the people viewed things differently.

I think too many people here on this website don't understand that war is dirty, and you can't conduct it and keep your hands clean. The US and Allied troops in WWII did many things that would be considered unacceptable today also.

Many people will gladly sit here and condemn the US for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, like that idiot calling that a war-crime. If it wasn't a war-crime in the eyes of the world at the time, its time to let it go. If you want to go around beating up countries for war-crimes committed in the past, how about the Crusades? or the Inquisition or heck any number of horrible things that have happened in the past. It's time to move on but not forget EXACTLY what happened and why. Don't rewrite history to make your modern consciousness feel better. It happened, get over it.

If the images disturb you, this is something that you need to deal with and come to understand. you may never be able to accept a game like this, but you also need to realize that hiding from the viciousness of the past only provides windows of opportunities for acts like these to continue in the future.

See, something about this bothers me, the truth frequently hurts and people need to stop hiding from it. Truth let's us grow, to assuage your conscience instead of facing the truth isn't growing, its merely creating a deeper hole in which your head is buried.

Sorry, I've ended up not only answering your article but a number of idiotic comments I've seen written here.

In the end its a personal issue you need to overcome, just don't run away from it, instead move forward and grow from this.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:43PM taefoto said

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the biggest thing that makes me hesitant about this game is entirely race.

i'm korean, a nation of people that was extremely hurt by the actions of the japanese before and during ww2 and yet i have no ill will to them. it was not the will of the people, not seriously, that lead them to their actions but the desires of an elite few.

what people of 'white' backgrounds fail to recognize, however, is that generally speaking 'white' people have a tendency to ignore political affiliations and blame an ethnicity as a whole. look at our treatment of peoples from the middle east and outlying areas!

i almost expect dozens of taunting 'remember pearl harbor' shouts on pearl harbor now. does anyone else find it ironic that a korean is being taunted about what the japanese did on pearl harbor? oh yeah, i forgot, we all look the same.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:59PM taefoto said

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an additional comment:

considering all the terrible garbage i am forced to listen to coming out of the mouths of fellow players on psn or xbox360 i can only imagine being extremely offended playing w@w.

it was bad enough having to listen to people talking about killing 'a-rabs' and plenty of other things i'm sure i cannot say on joystiq. but it will really, really, really hit home when people start spouting racist bigoted stuff about asians. racists generally don't bother to research what words stereotype what cultures.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:48PM skooled said

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I have a problem with the Japanese Empire not being villianized as much as the Nazis in the West. Especially when the Japanese were responsible for a far greater number of civilian deaths.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:48PM makattack said

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I'm a US born American of Chinese descent, and I served in the US Army as an enlisted soldier. Before I even joined, I used to get disturbed by historical accounts of Chinas support of the North Koreans and North Vietnamese during those conflicts against the US. I might even extrapolate that my decision to enlist was influenced by that history. Granted, it was a different situation for me. My family never had to deal with internment camps, but we definitely still had the issues with racism directed towards East Asians. I even recall being angry at news the GM auto engineer who was beaten to death in the 80's because he was mistaken for being Japanese, when he was actually Chinese. I guess in the US, racism towards the Japanese is particularly more sensitive due to WW2, the trade deficit (at the time), etc.

Anyway, I'm just pointing out that based on my personal experience growing up in the US, I would have no difficulties playing a game where it pitted US forces against the Chinese... Oh wait. I did enjoy playing Battlefield 2 -- I even loved hearing the Chinese soldiers yell Cantonese (even though most likely, if we were fighting China, they'd be yelling Mandarin).
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:49PM Dragod said

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Very few games have ever made me "feel" anything. After playing through the Halo series and after the ending of Halo 3, I kind of just sat there. I sat there and just did some thinking.. I was really moved by it.

More recently, when I was making my decision at the end of Fable 2, I chose the "The needs of few" choice, and I actually felt bad about it. I felt I had made a selfish decision, but I also felt incredibly attached to my dog, my wife, and my "sister"... I couldn't help it. I think it's a great thing when a game can make you feel so strongly.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:51PM Giantenemycrab said

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perhaps it's just me, but I like realism. That 5 minute clip actually made me interested in the game. Even though I previously had no plans to buy it, I'm now tempted.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:55PM (Unverified) said

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Am I the only one who feels fine watching graphic realistic violence in video games I quite like it if I'm truthful and have no problems with slaughtering Japanese soldiers, I have no problems killing Americans, English, Russians or anyone in video games. Why well there not real people, they have no family or loved ones there just mindless code which exists for me to kill however I choose fit. Then again I am the sort of person who enjoys torturing people in games like Postal 2 by setting them alight and then making them piss themselves using a tazer and slicing up limbs in Fallout 3 to spread out over the room like ornaments using the lovely ripper
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 11:59PM (Unverified) said

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Okay Hannibal. Please go see your therapist.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:55PM Otimus said

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This is absurd.
Two countries get off especially easy for their crimes in World War II.
Japan and America.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:59PM Otimus said

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Moreover, it's fairly absurd to think "Well, it's okay to demonize one group, because they don't make a whole bunch of media and games I like! But it's perfectly okay to ignore murderer group B because they do! GO TEAM!"

It's sickening, absurd. Everyone on all fronts is guilty for something or another during WWII, and the louder people make claims, the better.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 5:55PM (Unverified) said

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i think the intention was to provoke a gut response. war is hell and should not be treated as anything but. anyone playing should understand before going in that it is a game based on real history and some really wrong shit has happened in history. and the japanese are not innocent ppl. to treat war lightly or to fantasize it is way more harmful. i view myself as a person that is able to speak for my age range very well (say 21 to 35) and no one looks at the japanese the same way anymore. this is not going to cause new hatreds to form. i feel call of duty 4 was way worse for the arab community because of where we are currently fighting. i very much like the way this was written no matter if i agree or disagree with what was said. everyone put on your big boy pants and game on!
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Posted: Nov 14th 2008 10:37AM (Unverified) said

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I think I'll send a link to this the next time someone talks about games like they're only for nerdy kids.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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Unfortunately, I have seen with my own eyes the Klamath internment camp in southern Oregon, and it really is bothersome... however I have also seen with my own eyes the plight of a people ruled under a grip of fear. I do hope that eventually you can get over your childhood problems, as I have. My family moved to the US shortly after Adolf Hitler took power in Germany, and because of this neither my father nor I can speak german, and yet I have a grandmother who is fluent but makes the claim that we will be mocked if we were to learn and speak it. To this day.

Also take note that this game could be a window into a part of history a lot of american and european youth may not have seen until the release of this game. Hopefully they can distinguish the difference between the historical films and the game play and that they realize that the japanese people are just that, people.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:06PM (Unverified) said

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This kind of feeling only exists because there isn't a "catchy" name for Imperial Japan of WWII era. But the bottom line remains: Imperial Japan was a monster.

They carried out atrocious war crimes on par with Nazi Germany. And it's sickening that today, even modern Japanese government DENIES this. What if modern German government had a stance of staunch Holocaust denial.

At least the dialouge is open in the US that the Bombs and internment camps were arguable war atrocities in themselves. And the US has been plenty villified on that front.

So yes, your stance and belief is close minded and reflects Japan's own unrelenting and unapologetic stance on history.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:42PM (Unverified) said

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Pfft.
World at war is going to blow.
Treyarch sucks.
I'm going to stick to Left4Dead.
Now THAT'S a game!
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 7:04PM Appleanche said

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Personally I think Imperial Japan at the time was evil. What they did to China was evil. Were they at the same level of Nazi Germany? No, but they were two peas in a pod, be it Nazi Germany a large pea.

Honestly I think this post is fairly racist, you seem to want to ignore what Japan did in WW2 and have no problem seeing what Nazi Germany did, the US did, and I'm sure the Soviets and Brits too.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:13PM hfm said

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Every nation has a sordid history. Japan, Germany, and the United States all have committed atrocities that are deplorable acts against humanity. But this does not change the fact that they happened, nor does it make any case that they should be swept under a rug for no one to ever speak of again. If you have a problem with the demonizing of the Japanese, please do remember Nanking ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre ) first.

We should continue to immerse ourselves in our history both good and bad, and learn from it.

It's not a bad thing that you were put off by it, we all should be. And contemplate how we can make strides for these types of atrocities to not be committed again.

It's a glorious and horrible reality out there, unfortunately. These types of acts will not stop until we can find it in ourselves to come together to stop it.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:14PM (Unverified) said

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Well said. Games today take on a much more active role than merely entertainment. Thanks for sharing and thanks for having the courage to discuss your feelings. Imersive games SHOULD make you feel, interact with you, and provoke you. Games today are, of course, an artistic medium; one that we can't sit idly by and ignore.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:31PM (Unverified) said

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Really ? REALLY ??? Good lord. The massive Japanese-American internment program "complicates COD: World at War" ??? It does ?

Uh, no, it sure as hell DOES NOT. It's a game. Get over yourself and your particular victim-class-du-jour moment. Unbelievable. This planet would be SO much better off if everyone stopped searching for their individual offensive moment.

And, no, we should not re-examine COD4 based on the same viewpoint. Why ? Well, 1) because it is also a game, and 2) because islamic terrorists just happen to commit atrocities on a regular basis. I am not overly concerned if they are portrayed badly or offended.

Oh, and PS, the Japanese internment did serve a purpose - we learned as a nation that we need to be far more diligent in ensuring that individual rights are not trampled in that way again. If it hadn't happened then, it would have happened to some group eventually. I mean, hell, as a continuing legacy of the Japanese internment, a good size segment of the population wants to extend full US Constitutional rights to foreign terrorist POWs.
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Posted: Nov 11th 2008 1:11AM Soggydoughnuts said

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I totally 100% agree with this statement. I think it's a little harsh but do agree.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:20PM erh said

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I think the game is of poor taste.

What's next, make a video game out of Brandon Crisp's death?
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:26PM (Unverified) said

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Something like "Running Away From Home Coz My Mean Old Parents Won't Let Me Play Video Games"?

Doesn't sound fun OR entertaining.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:26PM anzollo said

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The unfortunate truth of the matter is that the Japanese were far more brutal than the Germans to their captives. This is because, during the time it was thought cowardly to surrender, thus rendering you as dirt and worth nothing. Much like the Germans thought of the Jews. However, the Japanese at the time were not as civilized a nation as the US, UK and Germany. This is not saying that the Nazi regime was not terrible, but some of the things the Japanese did make the Nazis look mild.

All in all, I am very thankful with the outcome we have today with the Axis nations. I also believe we need to see the brutality and reality of what happened to prevent it from ever returning.

Now if only Infinity Ward made the game and Treyarch went back to doing what they do best.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:30PM (Unverified) said

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I don't give a fuck who the enemies are. I don't care if the enemy *is* my grandmother. The reason I won't play it is because it's yet another military simulator (and isn't nice and campy like Wolf3D or Mortyr). If I wanted a realistic military experience, I would join the military, not pop in one of those games that takes itself *WAY* too seriously.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:31PM (Unverified) said

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You've asked a lot of good questions and I have a lot of answers, though I might have too much to say. I wish there was a better format then this to discuss these issues.

I will say that you have an experience that has - perhaps - changed the way you think about race, war and representation. This is a good thing.

I don't know if the narratives in the COD games, let alone most war games, allow for more complex portrayals of the experiences that people go through in wars. For one thing, there are hardly any civilians in war games. When you blow up a building or a town, you're blowing up soldiers - not civilians and all you have to do is turn on the news to realize that in war, civilians die. In war games you never encounter civilians outside of combat. You never walk through their towns and wave to them on your way to battle. You don't find an enemy hospital and hear the cries of enemy soldiers mutilated or dying. You always pick up enemy weapons and ammo off of their dead bodies but you never find pictures of their families, letters or other humanizing items. In short, you don't see them as human at all except for the fact that they bleed red. There's always about five types of enemy character models in games. You don't get to see that the opposing force is composed of individuals like you and me.

I think there are technological limitations that prevent more accurate and varied portrayal of human beings in war. Also, I think that the elements of game play that make up most of these games, in terms of mission structure, how action is portrayed and so forth, don't allow the player to experience the more heinous aspects of waging war. Part of this is our fault, as consumers. We aren't asking for these things like we should.

If we are serious about video games and if we want video games to be taken seriously by others, then we must strive for more increasingly complex content. We accept more out of movies, tv or books and we should accept more out of our games.

Let's not let this topic die!

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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:35PM (Unverified) said

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What an utterly moronic post. If you don't like the concepts of the games: don't play them. And don't try to say that it's ok to demonize Germans because they did some awful things during the war, but it's not ok to demonize the Japanese. Rape of Nanking? Death Railway?

Besides which, as a previous commenter noted: IT'S A FREAKIN GAME. Get over yourself. People play games and watch movies for entertainment, not to alter their world view. You seriously need to stop playing games and go outside every now and again if you would take what is presented in a game as real.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:34PM (Unverified) said

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Not to flame*, but it's taking an effort not to address this "Dear Retard."

If you're capable of being offended by the documented atrocities carried out by the Empire of Japan during the Second World War ("fuckers," indeed), then that proves only that you're human. However, by comparing the war crimes of the Japanese Army - which in Nanjing, China alone resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands - to the loss of rights and inconveniences suffered by those "interned" in the United States, you're coming off kind of retarded.

If you insist on making an "anti-World War II Allies" argument, and claim moral equivalence for the Axis and the Allies, in the future please reference the firebombing of Japan (and Germany), or the use of the atomic bomb. It would make you sound like less of a choad.

* Yes, anytime someone says "not to flame," they mean the opposite.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:41PM Ninjanun said

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Well heres my 2 cents. Firstly, James, well done for voicing your opinions, its always nice to see the bloggers making themselves more heard than the flamers and trolls =] Its articles like this that keep me on Joystiq.

Secondly i think its an issue of how emotionally influenced you can be by games, i mean i personally think they are a perfectly good medium for expressing a story, i loved Bioshock more than most films from '07 (hell i even teared up at the good ending at the hospital bed,doesnt come often from me) We all know of the attrocities commited in WW2 and yes they do have an emotional impact on us because alot of the people who fought in the conflict are still alive, or are our fathers or grandfathers, people we can remember. This makes it that much more poignant to see them portrayed for entertainment, be it in the name of fun or serious art. Either way i think its as valid a form of expression as your aticle, and its their personal vision. Art creates debate, doesnt mean games should be any different
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Posted: Nov 12th 2008 6:07PM (Unverified) said

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I hate to say it but the author of this article is just plain racist. As an anti-racist I am used to giving oppressed groups a bit of a free pass, as a sort of "one-double-standard-deserves-another" approach, letting them get away with a bit of racism because I know it is just a symptom of ethnic nationalism which is quite vital to the survival of oppressed groups. But the article is just soooo racist... just... blatantly... over-the-top, borderline troll, racist. The author plainly states that he doesn't care when white people are the enemy... *because he doesn't see them as human*!!! In fact, the author points out that, when he's reminded of the WWII Japanese killing and torturing whites, or murdering, torturing, pillaging, and raping their way through Asia, the *only* reason it makes him sad is because... it reminds him of how his people in the U.S. got relocated to sunny Arizona?!?!!?! WTF! I'm sorry, but you are COMPLETELY OFF THE WALL, UNREASONABLY, INEXCUSABLY RACIST. Also: The WWII Japanese were every bit as transcendently evil as the Nazis. I kinda think they were probably even more evil, but that's subjective.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:52PM (Unverified) said

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this 'opinion' is hypocrisy at its best
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 6:58PM (Unverified) said

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What, are you saying Japanese didn't do as bad as Nazis did during WWII? That's full of BS. I might be biased since I have Asian heritage, but Japanese did horrible acts in Asia just as much as Nazis did in Europe. Ever heard of Nanking Massacre? Oh, right. That did not happen. It's just a work of fiction, wasn't it?
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 7:00PM (Unverified) said

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Wow this is by far the best thing i have read on Joystiq and i commend you for writing this
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 7:07PM (Unverified) said

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Look. The japanese empire was as evil as the nazi's were. Get over it. Remember Nan King? or did they make sure you learn nothing of it as they do most japanese youth and american youth. I am willing to argue about this all day. If a videogame portrays them as evil, you either feel guilt and feel responsible for the actions of your ancestors, or you shun the actions of them, move on, and make sure you dont turn out evil.
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 7:28PM anoffday said

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That's always what I learned. Why should they be avoided in WW2 games, while the Germans are always the enemies?
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 7:02PM Xero Theory said

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I agree with James for the most part on this I do get the fact that we did fight japanese in WWII but at the same time this game totally villianizes the japanese making them out to be evil fanatical monsters. I have no japanese heritage but this still insults me because im very into history. this game takes japans emmence national pride and turns it into an excuse for the allies to kill them with extreme predgadise (forgive me spelling thats not my strong suit) everyone wants to defend america and say that we were the high and mighty of WWII but no one seems to remember that we did atom bomb two major japan cities we didnt just take out military targets we blew away whole cities women children elderly and we tainted the land they were built on with radiation causing birth defects and we put thousands of innocent japanese in inturnment camps. My point isnt to make the U.S. out to be horrible because i do love my country Im saying trearch went so out of their way to bring back the hatered so many americans felt durning and for a long time after WWII for no reason i watched the commercial for this game and already saw that no to mention the multiplayer is a clone of cod4 with wwII skins put over it i mean seriously a pack of dogs that run around and kill people? wow anyway people can take this opinion peice or they can leave it just like they can with my opinion i dont think its a game devolopers place to bring up past racial or ethical resentments and use them to push their game. This might be a slightly unbalanced example but still whats next they make a game about surviving concentration camps and villianize all germans even the anti nazis? or even better they could make a game about being jesuses follower and you can watch the jews persicute torture and kill him. I mean is that really what we as gamers want? games that further stereotypes and mindless haterd of a another race or religion? personally no i play games to get away from the world we live in thanks for the time and for reading this wheiter you agree with me or not
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Posted: Nov 10th 2008 7:02PM vidguy said

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I say get over it. I'd have no problem with a game that would demonize Americans in the country's many war-mongering moments. For example, a game that puts the player in a role of a Vietnamese or Iraqi soldier fighting off the American invaders. Representation in a game doesn't make the entity any different.

Games aren't always meant to be historically accurate or politically correct, and very few games have a message. The majority of video games are on the level of a summer blockbuster: the purpose isn't to spread a message but to make money. If you want different viewpoints, read a book, see a play, or watch a movie from those views. Better yet, encourage developers to make games from those views. But for now, let's sit back and gun down the enemy, whatever their skin tone or nationality.
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