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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:23PM WackyCoffee said

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I wish there was an option to get the Arcade in black cuz it looks better next to all the other electronics. I'll be picking up one for downstairs so I can stream Netflix and Media Center to the living room.

I'm loving the NXE right now even tho I've only had a couple of hours to play around with it.

My Avatar is at work relaxing and waiting to get back to da fun ... he's pretty happy that my launch console has made it to 3 years and one heck of a software update. Good job, MS :)

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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:03PM Joeybeast said

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If you don't mind void you warranty,
Spray paint
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Posted: Nov 19th 2008 12:36AM (Unverified) said

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Forget spray paint, change the faceplate to a black one. The sides are dark gray, you would only notice the top if you were to look over it. Under a TV in a rack, it would look just like an elite.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:23PM TRTX said

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See, now that makes sense. Currently 3 SKUs, wth only one discontinued. (2 if you count the 20GB Pro and 60GB Pro as seperate consoles)

Each SKU is easily identified by its HDD size...as opposed to some random assortment of features that have been dropped, brought back, then dropped again.

Sony really needs to learn from this.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:35PM spin cycle said

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3 discontinued if you count the original Xbox 360 non-Core. And you pretty much have to, it's not like it didn't exist.

Also, dropping the non-HDMI variants is odd. They sure aren't the same SKUs. Ask anyone who has tried to sell theirs used, they aren't treated the same. Ask anyone who ever sent their unit back to MS for repair, did they get one back that had HDMI to replace their non-HDMI (or vice-versa)? Nope. MS doesn't consider them the same.

To be honest, the biggest differentiator in 360s is the HDMI port. Anything else can be added on (hard drive, wireless controller) later. (And no, I don't count the MadCatz adapter because it performs poorly).
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:39PM Negatron said

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Agreed.


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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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12 SKU's if you use the same rules Joystiq applied to PS3 SKUs..

However we all know, you don't use the same rules when doing that, as it makes the 360 look sh1t.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:51PM (Unverified) said

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Sony only has the 80 gig and the 160 gig out though.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:01PM Ignatius said

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The only major change between the Core and original Premium were hardware revisions (die shrinks and such) and HDMI inclusion. Sony's consoles changed drastically to a point of where a lot of features were dropped or modified.

HDMI isn't THAT big of an issue compared to say, backwards compatibility, or a card reader. Component works just fine for most people.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:14PM (Unverified) said

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Ignatius

I care a lot more about HDMI than backwards compatibility because neither of my TVs supports 1080p through component, and I'd be losing HDCP as well.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:19PM 007craft said

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yeah its basically

Elite - 120GB hdd
Pro - 60GB hdd
Arcade - 512mb memory card

Very simple. theres no reason to want to seek out and own an old core, All you need to know is what i posted above, buy the newest model and your good.

With sony however, its all messed up, older console have some feature better then the new consoles, like backwards compatibility and card readers. Its not like I can just go and pick the newest sony model with hdd size of my choice. No.. instead I got to hunt down older systems if I want to play ps2 games or use other discountinued features.

If there were 1000 skus it does not matter, If should just be the newest sku has everything and more. There should be no reason an electronics product gets worse over time. ITs just dumb. Sorta like my linksys rounter (wrt54g). They made it so v 2-3 = best while later, newer version are worse in some aspects (ie, cant use custom firmware). The ps3 is doing the same thing
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 4:57PM spin cycle said

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Only two features were dropped from PS3 that you can't get back:

SACD (no one cares)
BC (lots of people seem to care)

Other than that, you're talking about USB ports and card readers, both of which can be cured by dropping $15 on a card reader or USB hub at the local store.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:30PM Deezul AwT said

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If you're going to differentiate Core and Arcade, you should put up both version of the Pro/Premium, at at least note the different in HD sizes. Something like "20 GB before August 2008," since you do note the HDMI difference.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:24PM Ross said

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Ask and ye shall receive!
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:31PM (Unverified) said

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If I buy an Arcade, can I get a cheap HDD?
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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Really? Cool =D, seems Like I know what I'm going to get this holiday.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:55PM spin cycle said

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If by cheap you mean $30.

I bet you can do better on eBay.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:54PM FraGNeM said

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You can't upgrade your Arcade unit from MS's program, or else they don't intend for you to.

The Arcade unit comes with a 512MB memory card, capable of storing the NXE data. The original 360 Core model, however, only came with a 64MB memory card -- this is why Microsoft is allowing Core owners an easy path to upgrade.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:56PM (Unverified) said

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I find 30 to be pretty cheap, anyway, so Can I or Can't I upgrade cheaply my Arcade? :(
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 5:21PM (Unverified) said

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From what I know, if you have the Arcade, then you are only eligible for the $30 hard drive option which is what you want.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 6:18PM HappyFunBall said

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@FraGNeM

You can get the $30 HDD with 3 months LIVE with an Arcade unit. I got my Arcade unit in September and qualified for this deal.

And the Arcade comes with a 256MB card, not 512.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:32PM (Unverified) said

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The core console came with the same Xbox LIVE Gold trials that all of the other consoles did/do.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:32PM spin cycle said

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You left out the 20GB Pro versus 60GB Pro.

You listed the 160GB PS3 and the 80GB PS3 even though they are only different by hard drive size? Why did you collapse 360 SKUs?

You also left out the first SKU that was discontinued, the Premium (er, non-Core). That unit was responsible for perhaps half of total 360 sales and it's left off.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:33PM Ethan said

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The pro is quite clearly the sweet spot. They need to sort out internal wireless or bring down the price of the adapter though.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:55PM Ignatius said

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The Elite should have the WiFi built in, although it would be a hell of a bonus for the Premium.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:41PM (Unverified) said

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Woah, way to go and confuse people, Stiq! lol Theres only 3 SKUs. Its safe to say that any 360 you go out and buy *NEW* at a big retailer will be a solid running console. I think even the soccer moms can see that the console they want for their kiddos is the Arcade.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:57PM spin cycle said

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The Arcade makes even less sense now than before. The NXE takes up half your memory card.

The Arcade is as trap, it's just there to get you to get you in the door and realize you need to buy more stuff. That and to replace your core unit when it dies.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:00PM baby sea tuna said

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Except, don't they have some sort of solution for that now? Cheap 20G HDDs? Free 512M memory cards? I seem to remember hearing something about that.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:10PM ExMcCloud said

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Yes major confusement going on here....lol.....But Fenixx sorry I couldnt play with u the other day I was just finishing Insane....Im done with that now so we can MP all day yo!
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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Do this!
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 5:00PM spin cycle said

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Free 512M cards are only for Core buyers, not Arcade.
20GB HDDs are $30 for Arcade ($20 for Core). That's not super expensive, but it's not cheap.

Even if you like the $30 price, that makes a useful Arcade to be $229, which is about halfway to a Pro.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 5:56PM spin cycle said

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Sorry. Free 256M cards. Which turn into 128M cards with the NXE.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:45PM (Unverified) said

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I HIGHLY doubt anyone is going to see any Halo 360's lying around, the overstock was buried next to the ET cartridges in the desert.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:49PM Shignami said

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I thought those prices were different, isn't the Pro like $259 or something?
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:07PM WackyCoffee said

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The old Pros with the 20GB hard drives are on sale at some places for $259.99. I believe all the 60GB ones are regularly priced at $299.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:58PM baby sea tuna said

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How about a box on that chart for pack-in software?
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 4:17PM CB said

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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 12:59PM spin cycle said

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Didn't the Halo edition have an HDMI cable?

I think it also had the optical audio out cable, like the Elite and unlike every other model. Unless you have HDMI audio, you're gonna need one of those cables to get audio out of your console when you use HDMI (although some dude on the net has a physical hack to get around this).
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:17PM (Unverified) said

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You don't need additional cables when you use HDMI.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:57PM Ignatius said

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You will need the additional dongle to get optical sound out to a separate home theater system. I use it for my Pioneer HTS-GS1.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:17PM (Unverified) said

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all you need is a screwdriver actually

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FptCB_3DOz4
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:08PM Wyvernlink said

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Off topic, addressing the install feature in NXE, can you take one disk and install it onto a couple 360s so that you could play system link even if you only have one disk?
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:17PM WackyCoffee said

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Nope... disk has to be in the drive at all times.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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You could install the game on an infinite number of consoles with the same disk, but a disk must be in the drive in order to run the game, so it is pointless really to install the same exact disk on multiple xboxes cause you need multiple copies of the game to play anyways.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:24PM Hyams said

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No. You need the disc in the console for it to run.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:21PM (Unverified) said

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I wonder why the elite comes with an older revision of HDMI. They are currently at 1.3. I know the difference is minimal, but some may care. You can find them online for CHEAP. I bought 10 ft 1.3 rev. for 2 bucks the other day, amazing quality. Anyways, just anote for those who are in the market. 1.3 is technically the latest revision. But then again, the ethernet cables are older as well. I guess maybe a way to get rid of older stuff.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 1:57PM Ignatius said

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1.3b is the current revision, just to be clear.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2008 2:27PM (Unverified) said

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right. Even more exact.
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